What's the new variable....

on behalf of Hillary.

I think what we're seeing manifest within the Democratic Party has been a long time coming. The Sanders folks had just a hint of what Democrats should be like. And we're not at all happy, not just with the Party establishment, and their manipulations, their bias for the corporate Hillary. We're not real happy with Democratic voters, that time and again, pick the corporate candidate.

I think a lot of us are at this point where we're willing to just vote for whomever we think is best. I've always asked the no-voters what is the path. And they rarely give me an answer. But I wonder if the answer is "Let the chaos come." "Let things get worse, and worse, and worse again, until the rich-guys prediction of pitchforks, and tar and feathers, perhaps worse, begins to happen to the richest in this country, those who bar the door against a minimal live for tens of millions, as they prance into their mansions, with gilded ceilings, financed on the misery of the "rabble."

Perhaps the most obvious sign is nearly half of the party (hard to tell, with electoral manipulation, and how many truly support Sanders in caucus states he won huge) is in full-on revolt against the corporate shill.

In fact, the battle is almost as ferocious between factions of the Democratic party, as it is between "crooked Hillary" and "Detestable Donald." Perhaps more so.

You've ignored your own financial lives dropping, as inevitably happens when you sweep the legs out-from-under the lower classes, when you chop away Welfare programs, when you lower food-stamp programs, when you cooperate with Republicans because you "know how to get things done by working with Republicans," as Hillary is known to say. Because you've still got enough--right now you have a job, it makes an adequate wage for you--so you choose the corporate Democrat, ignoring all those beneath you. That's on you upper-crust Democrats, that's on you. There is more to this party that gays, guns, and abortion--or at least there should be. We've lost our soul.

but were talked into the Republicans, sure a lot were racists and not very smart and were betrayed by their party. But they sensed something was wrong early also. There is a populist movement out there. It is very fractured.

This will be an interesting election for everyone. Both parties have always been the "party of the rich elite". They both have swung between populism and the party of the rich elite. It is time for a solid party of the people, but who knows when it will happen and who will lead it. We know know how to fund it and how to broadcast the rallies. We know more of how to make it happen than the other 2 parties do. I do not think it can happen within an existing party. Again only time will tell.

You've ignored your own financial lives dropping, as inevitably happens when you sweep the legs out-from-under the lower classes, when you chop away Welfare programs, when you lower food-stamp programs, when you cooperate with Republicans because you "know how to get things done by working with Republicans," as Hillary is known to say.

been somehow changed from Dem to I or R ... after the caucus!

Seems like legitimate variable for tensions, no?

See this thread: https://np.reddit.com/r/NevadaForSanders/comments/4jd7nq/where_is_everybody/


And here's a "low information delegate/voter" on Team Bernie:

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The poor fellow apparently thought "the rules" (which were readily available to him--this IS the 21st Century) weren't important enough for him to bother to read:

This is shaping up to be a repeat.

I think the "Republicans are worse" has quit working. The masses are in revolt.

establishments, parties and the entrenched rulers. It's just another symptom of the underlying "feupwithness" (new word!) by millions. They are striking out. I just read on another post that Palin is apparently on Trump's shortlist for VP pick, according to what Ben Carson apparently told the Washington post. FFS!

including its favored candidate in my opinion.

Sanders supporters really made themselves heard when the count showed a slight advantage among the number of delegates in support of Hillary Clinton. Final numbers showed 1,693 Clinton supporters in attendance to Sanders’s 1,662.

The final straw apparently was a last-minute change of rules at the convention, approved by a voice count, that led people to rush the floor, shouting “this is fixed” and “no confidence.

http://bipartisan.report/2016/05/14/breaking-horrific-violence-erupts-at-nevada-democratic-convention-between-sanders-clinton-supporters-video/

When will it stop

#SummersComing

go to Philly this July.

I'm 65, retired, enough money, family and friends on the east coast -- why not go raise hell?

When the coronation ends

I've heard from several people there what was going on.

1. They cheated on a vote on rule changes.
2. The nullified votes with the rule change.
3. They started before the caucus was scheduled to start.

It's all fishy.

Yes, fishy.

They are desperate. A lot of money is at stake for the Democratic establishment.

One thing is certain. Bernie supporters are not involved in his campaign for personal gain.

He pays his staff from donstions from us ordinary people.

Hillary pays hers from the donations of rich people,

And many of those donors, unlike Sanders' supporters have much to gain or lose, such as a personally or professionally helpful appointment of a lobbyist or wealthy person to a strategic government post.

Comcast comes to mind.

Comcast is helping with the Democratic convention among other things and wants to end net neutrality.

If Hillary or Trump are elected, my guess is that net neutrality will be history.

Feel the Bern!

Money talks.

Truth and #BernieBullies have zip in common. Look - he has lost.

Sent this today to both my Senators (one is Boxer).

Dear Senator,

As a native Californian and a lifelong Democrat, I’ve been a keen political observer of national politics for the last 30 years or more. I’ve watched the GOP disintegrate over losing power to Obama in 2008 (taking our economy with them) and I’ve watched a populist wave building even before that. This rise in populism partly explains Clinton’s loss to Obama that year, but mostly it stems from the neo-liberal policies of Ronald Reagan, going as far back to his time as Governor of California.

The GOP failed to grapple with this wave of populism because they were in denial and still idolized Reagan and his policies. That is to be expected. What’s UNEXPECTED, from my perspective, is the blindness within the Democratic Party to this same rise of populism. Instead, it seems the Democrats have decided to copy the GOP approach and circle the wagons around the establishment and the status quo.

When the GOP did this, it gave rise to the Tea Party and ultimately to Donald Trump. This is how a party fails, and this is how YOU personally are failing.

Do not call for an end to the primary process before it has fully played out, and before OUR STATE, the world’s 7th largest economy, even gets to vote.

Do not tilt the State and National Convention rules to favor the status quo, in fact, if anything they should tilt to favor insurgent ideas.

This is how leadership should deal with a populist wave… they should face it and they should RIDE it to victory for all Americans, not just those already in power. There is too much at stake to pretend this is not happening… look around you. The climate is altered, the oceans are dying, and we simply cannot continue doing business as usual.

Consider your next moves very carefully and draw some lessons from the collapse of the GOP. Its bend or break time, and I’m ready to break it, if leadership won’t bend.

I’m not alone.

It is people like you, who really think about politics and government, who have a long historical view of things, and who bring unique perspectives to current battles and issues, who make Democratic Underground a great place. We've had an invasion of shallow, robotic thinkers of late. They have damaged DU by acting like mindless cheerleaders for their candidate. Some are being paid to do it, and others are, very unfortunately, genuinely shallow. They couldn't care less about Reaganism, student debt, drug costs, slave wages, Goldman Sachs, Libya, Honduras or our dying ocean--or anything else of importance.

You raise the tone! Thank you for posting your letter! I hope the poobahs in our Democratic Party establishment will stop being assholes and heed your warning.

Three cheers for you!

Welcome to DU.

if they read it? Our congressman had us keep a count of pro-con communications and never read a single letter. No he is not in office anymore - he is now Chelsea Clinton's father-in-law.

Is this typical? Don't they read at least some that staff bring to their attention? Do staff bring any to their attention?

they know. With luck they bring the intelligent letters like yours to their attention. But if you think about it ones like Boxer must get an awful lot of letters from all over the country.

Yes, I know it is a very bad system.

that she - or at least someone in her office - actually read the things closely enough to address and respond to specific points.

In Michigan, though. Our state was wise enough to vote for Bernie and can see the writing on the wall. It is indeed a time for change. Third way will not do, and I personally can't accept it.

Think I'll take the time to do the same with my Congressionals.

If you don't mind, I'd like to paraphrase your letter -- don't want it to loolk like a form letter, but you really did quite a good job!

Consider your next moves very carefully and draw some lessons from the collapse of the GOP. Its bend or break time, and I’m ready to break it, if leadership won’t bend.

I’m not alone.

I'm sure Clinton and Sanders will bail your butts out of jail. No? To bad...

Face it: Bernie had a great run. It's over. Now it's time to face something truly awful: the #GOP and its candidate.

It's also time to figure out the most effective ways to ensure progress on the issues that matter most. That means supporting HRC now and also continuing to build a more progressive Democratic party.

At the very least, he needs to stay in until the FBI wraps up its investigation.