I used it when I posted this on facebook

They're Christian like a pork chop is vegan!"

going by all the crazy shit written in the holy books, he is probably laughing a head or two off...

Look what I got the peons doing to each other now LOL

Kind of like when you start sucking at SIM City, and just watch a whole neighborhood burn because you have no funding for the fire department

God has been fucking with Moses for eons "just for fun"

though that's the least of this absolutely vile story. I believe that this crosses the line of speech into incitement. hope the fuckers get theirs.

You're spot on!

They are just hate mongers.

I had thought that the goal was to convert the non-Christians. How is spitting at non-Christians helpful? Shouldn't they be kissing non-Christians asses to get them in the door to be brainwashed?

That is the goal right?

By the photos, this little group is very well funded, not like your typical missionaries. I call BS on this group being any type of Xtian group. I think it's more like a t-party billionaire funded thing.

Please explain the violence to which the people in the OP were a part.

The person in the story you linked was part of a physical altercation in which he was encouraging the attackers.

"Hate crimes" in the US are enhancements to ordinary crimes.

For example, if you punch someone that is a crime. If you punch someone - because of a particular motivating factor (race, religion, etc.) - that carries additional enhancements.

Likewise, inciting violence against someone else - "Hey go hit that guy" - under circumstances where the person you are instructing does so, is incitement.

Inciting violence against someone out of a particular motivating factor - "Hey go hit that Jew" - under the statute in New York relevant to the story you linked, carries additional enhancements.


What you, and many others seem to believe, is that these enhancements to what are already ordinary crimes, have some free floating effect (and aside from the fact that laws are different in different places) as "hate crimes". That is where your flawed understanding is. You seem to believe it is per se illegal for people to express prejudice, hatred, etc. That is simply not true in the United States.

If you are aware of a particular Michigan law, or Detroit ordinance relevant to this situation, perhaps you might identify it.

difference on charges and all.


Tikki

Hate, sure.

Crime? To be a douche? Well if that were illegal most people would be lifers.

I may be wrong as I do not know the specific laws regarding what is and is not legal to do with dismembered animals, but I am pretty certain there are criminal charges that can be brought against you if you dismember animals for the purpose of threatening another person. If they were to leave a severed pigs head on a person's doorstep for example that would be a crime, whether this crosses the line to be a criminal act however I don't honestly know. If it is not a crime however it should be, people who mutilate animals for the purpose of intimidating other people are psychopaths and can be extremely dangerous.

really care.

You can buy pigs heads at a lot of butcher shops.

It is the use of slaughtered animals to intimidate people, there are violent implications that could be considered threatening. It may not be an easy case to win in court because a lawyer could probably claim it was an insult rather than a threat, but I believe they are on the very edge of what would be considered legal.

It's a strange thing to do for people who claim to believe in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Do they show up at a synagogue on Friday at Sunset with their pig's head?

My first thought was 'What a horrible thing to do to an intelligent animal'.

they are just hate-filled, bigoted morons who feel they are superior to everyone who doesn't believe exactly what they believe,

In some ways I would love for the rapture to happen, because there are so many who think they are "the chosen" and would be left thoroughly disappointed.

It really doesn't matter what one believes - it is how they live their life - I firmly believe the Golden Rule is the basis for all religions, but to the extremists you would never know that the Golden Rule exists.

who have twisted & distorted the religion to the sickest form. We've seen it throughout history, the ilk that use their sick distortions of Christianity to justify genocide, slavery, bigotry, and a whole host of other vile, despicable human actions seen in the dung heap of humanity.

It's convenient to deny they're Christians, but the Christian faith has to own these pieces of shit -- they created them. There are great "Christians" who've done great things throughout history, but there are plenty of these slimebuckets, too. It's one of the reasons I hate ALL organized religion -- WAY too much evil & horrific violence has been waged in the world in the name of organized religions, and Christianity is as guilty (more, IMO) as other religions.

Yeah, they're Christians alright.

There's tons of hatin', killin', rapin', enslavin', genocidin' etc., etc., etc. in the bible. All approved of, and/or carried out by god himself or his followers. So I'd say these people were perfect christians, according to the example set forth in the bible. They're just following the rules.

Not much in the NT, except for some of Paul's stuff, and he wasn't Jesus Christ.

and the bible promotes these behaviours. There is no way to get around it, disown it, or explain it away. These people are good christians according to the book they go by. We studied the WHOLE bible at bible school, not just the feel-good jesus part. Unless christians somehow don't worship god any more.

But it has nothing to do with Christianity, since Christianity didn't exist during the time covered in the Old Testament!

So they own it.

Starting with "I come not in peace but with a sword...I come to (set families apart)."

Cussing out a fig tree that was not fruiting in winter.

There are many more examples in the NT.

Examples of cruelty from Jesus from only ONE CHAPTER OF THE GOSPELS, MATTHEW:

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29 - 30

Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7: 13-14

Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19

"The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21

Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32

Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10: 14-15

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20: 9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18: 8-9

In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35

"And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34

God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and rents the vineyard to others. 21:33-41

"Whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Whoever falls on "this stone" (Jesus) will be broken, and whomever the stone falls on will be ground into powder. 21:44

In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13

Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51

The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30

Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41

Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46
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Jesus was not a nice guy according to the Gospels.
You can believe anything you want and be a Christian.

Any questions?

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My first thought was to grab a cross, tack a blow-up doll to it, and head yonder to olde rally. Your picture goes a long way in the right direction.

That is, a couple centuries after the regional conversion to Christianity. Like Beowulf, it is a cultural interpretation of the new religion. Just thought you might like to know, as in that context the poster is meaningless.

at ALL religious beliefs.

Welcome to DU - And, I'm sure you'll see this from time to time, "Lighten up Francis"

The beliefs of the biblical Christ, who cared for the poor, loved his neighbors and forgave sinners etc. died when he did. The next two thousand years of the church's history is filled with violence greed and betrayal. They gained power just like all the other groups, looting killing and stealing land.

However, they were able to brain wash their followers into believing any and all atrocities were done on the orders of god. So while they lied cheated stole and killed and did whatever else was necessary to become one of the world's larges religions, they also worked hard to spread the myth that they were still following the teaching of the biblical Christ. That is why many people assume that Christianity is synonymous with goodness. I, personally, never thought that was true.

IMO, Luke 10:27 is the most important single thing in the whole of the New Testament. Of course I can expand and state that Luke 10:25-37 is the most important story.

What these missionaries are doing certainly isn't in keeping with my relationship with Jesus.

Which Bible has this "most important thing" indicator in it?

My suggestion would be that "true Christians" adopt some other name, as it seems that they aren't making any headway with their current brand.

on others.

The antichrist.

Seriously. They do the exact opposite of what Christ is said to have spoken.

What part of Luke 10:27 don't they understand? Do they not believe in that?

In fact they use Jack Chick tracts on their site.

From this article, we find it is a group called 'Bible Believers' headed by Reuben Israel.

The site you linked to is pretty mild; the site for this group is pretty much pure hatred. I warn everyone, this is a highly offensive website with loud idiotic sound, insulting just about everyone. It's as bad as Westboro Baptist Church. This is a person, with a few like minded sick individuals, who wants an excuse to stand in the street and scream hatred at anyone: http://www.officialstreetpreachers.com/Main%20Page.html

Religion is bullshit.

Faith can be good.

But religion is bullshit.

So many different signs and shirts, you need to pay the printer for each different one and it's cheapest to run off a hundred or a thousand of one kind. But here, there are all different signs, which says to me this group doesn't care how much the signs cost, as long as they make a big show.

"They aren't real christians!"

I wish I could like this a million times.

If Muslims believe pigs are unclean, how is having a pigs head anything other than gross? I mean it isn't offensive at all, they could probably care less if a pig was killed, same for the jews some have mentioned above. It's not like a cow's head would be offensive to a Hindi. Or an effigy of Mohammad for Muslims. So this as an offense confuses me since a dead pig wouldn't be a problem for a Muslim.

Orthodox Jews believe pigs are unclean also. So I suppose they are including Jews with Muslims? Clueless.

the article gives no indication however it is also possible that it was just to inflame the situation

I would infer that these geniuses went no further than "Muslims no like pigs -- we bring pig." The equivalent would be anti-Christian protesters burning an effigy of Pontius Pilate I suppose, of which Christians would mostly think "uh...great, we don't like him either..."

Take away the zealot's tax exempt status for a start.

I would have absolutely no sympathy if someone beat the crap out of them.

with a hate crime or the violation of someones religious freedom.
Mental they are.

But I'm sure these white conservative Christians were not told that by their pastor.

For this purpose?

however I can't really imagine a butcher asking "now what ya going to do that?" before selling someone a pigs head, they are cooked and eaten -usually

Or a pig farmer, or some who does pig roasts.

Any other questions?

in Homedale Idaho sells pig heads.
They make perfect stock base for pozole.

Recommended!

and the deliberate boorishness of their kind.

I belong to a church that has very good relations with the local Muslims.

first off apparently they do not realize that Muslims already revere both Jesus and Mary, Jesus along with Mohammad is considered one of the 4 major prophets of Islam the difference is that much like Jews Muslims believe that the 'Messiah' has not yet come .

Missionaries, my ass.

Can be grateful for that, at least.

can't live with 'em.

and then not return.

I wonder what good they think they are doing?

I used to work with a really foaming at the mouth Tea Bagger type Evangelical. One day he said something about Muslims
wont eat Pork.. I told him, well there is a reason for that, Pigs eat dead people , live ones too if they can catch them.
His head exploded on the spot as he knew it was true.

Feel free to use that line whenever needed...

A travelling band of Haters
wow

Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch, these people are fucked up in the head. In the heart, too.

The mentality of these yobbos escapes me.

Only about 1/4 of Arab-Americans are Muslim. Though it shouldn't come as a surprise these idiots didn't do the research.

forbids the consumption of pork, calling the pig unclean. So, why do they eat it, and why aren't they protesting outside Jewish houses of worship? Jesus said of people like this that they are far more many times the children of hell than anyone else.

now I must ask wtf does that mean anyway? Taken from the way it's used it would seem to delegitimize the continued existence of Judaism, while at the same time they claim to so support Jews

lax in obeying the two commandments that Jesus called the greatest...the commandments to love even one's enemies? These people know nothing of the Jesus they claim to follow. Their Christian scriptures say that if they claim to love God but hate any person then they are liars, and the truth is not in them. They profess Christianity. They practice evil religion.

Radical Muslims have been doing similar things by killing cows in front of Hindu temples in India for decades.

That seems to be the general translation every time this shit comes up.

I say we need a lot of barbed impaling stakes, and some cleansing fire...

Jesus would 'turn in his grave'

"I like your Jesus, it's Christians I do not like."

Sorry, pet peeve.

Clearly they assume Arab = Muslim. I would expect there would have been a fair minority of Arab Christians at the event as well.

If i'm afeared of everything, then anyone in the name of the sky god can convince me to do any heinous act, in his name of course. Nope, not gonna fear the psycho daddy in the sky or anyone who preaches hate in his name.

And I bet they weren't very happy with the "Christ in Piss" artwork from awhile back either.

I really wonder who these "missionaries" are.

is these sort of people refer to people like us as being Nazi. Wrong answer if you say it is because they are stupid. They do it, and their politicians make similar references. I have said stuff elsewhere on DU about my own thoughts on this. I believe it is what they want. Why is it such a difficult stretch for people to make, a place like Gitmo for instance, next being here in America. This is the next logical step in the overall progression of things.

“And the swine, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you.” (Lev. 11 –8)