Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:20 PM May 2016

U. Tennessee forced by lawmakers to shut down campus diversity office

Source: The College Fix

U. Tennessee forced by lawmakers to shut down campus diversity office
Jennifer Kabbany - Fix Editor •May 21, 2016

A law approved this week says state funds may not be used by the University of Tennessee to fund its Office of Diversity and Inclusion in the coming fiscal year.

With that, the university has shut the office down and eliminated its four staff positions — a $445,000 cut.

“The law, which reallocates the money to fund scholarships for minority students in engineering programs, is only in effect for one year,” reports the Knoxville News Sentinel.

The law comes after the diversity office made national headlines last fall with its request to students to use “gender-neutral pronouns” such as “ze, xe, xem, xyr, zirs and hirs.” Then last December the office again made national news with its holiday “best practices” list that said holiday parties should not have Secret Santa-themed gift exchanges and told the campus “ensure your holiday party is not a Christmas party in disguise.”

Read more: http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/27549/

32 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
U. Tennessee forced by lawmakers to shut down campus diversity office (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2016 OP
Bit off-topic but... romanic May 2016 #1
I agree. Duppers May 2016 #7
Well I learned some new scrabble words NobodyHere May 2016 #9
New York is now mandating it, apparently. Yo_Mama May 2016 #12
So if I went to work for the Democrat party in NYC and told them my preferred name was Akicita May 2016 #21
The way I read it, it's just gender-related. So if you are biologically a male, but Yo_Mama May 2016 #31
Ah shoot! They take the fun out of everything. Akicita May 2016 #32
I have no problem with gender neutral pronouns... awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #16
Especially since singular "they" is already around, inventing new pronouns is fucking stupid. Odin2005 May 2016 #18
In NYC, if you refuse to use such words, you can be fined philosslayer May 2016 #20
It's a college, for God's sake! HassleCat May 2016 #2
Fine... But there are better ways to spend the public's money. TipTok May 2016 #14
They are being left alone 1939 May 2016 #26
They reallocated the funds for scholarship for minority underthematrix May 2016 #3
i'm not exactly sure what a Vice chancellor for diversity does all day bluestateguy May 2016 #4
They spend all day justifying their existance. cloudbase May 2016 #5
Meanwhile universitites keep hiring more administrators bluestateguy May 2016 #6
It's definitely administrative bloat romanic May 2016 #10
"The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy." Odin2005 May 2016 #17
As much as I think the TN legislature are dickheads, minority STEM scholarships are a better use Recursion May 2016 #8
Money spent for minorities in engineering is much better than spending on beurocrats making up new Akicita May 2016 #11
Sounds like a better use of the money madville May 2016 #13
This is getting ridiculous TexasMommaWithAHat May 2016 #15
A hundred million a year for football. ronnie624 May 2016 #19
How much does football bring in? If it is more than what they spend it makes sense. Akicita May 2016 #23
Football is a money loser at most schools bluestateguy May 2016 #25
No but the loss is made up 1939 May 2016 #27
Bigots Vakero May 2016 #22
Why have tolerance for stupidity? TipTok May 2016 #29
This isn't bigotry. christx30 May 2016 #30
What "Happy Horseshit." Hoppy May 2016 #24
Can't be any more obvious than that. nt procon May 2016 #28

romanic

(2,841 posts)
1. Bit off-topic but...
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:23 PM
May 2016

"ze, xe, xem, xyr, zirs and hirs"

Do people actually use these weird words to describe or refer to another person? I've only seen this special snowflake crap on the internet. :I

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
7. I agree.
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:41 PM
May 2016

That kind of mangling of the English language is nuts!!

And even this old atheist sees nothing wrong with having a traditional holiday party. No one says you have to ascribe to their belief system. If anyone wants to have a Hanukkah or whatever party, then so what?

It's sad that "diversity" must be associated with this sort of nuttiness.


Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
12. New York is now mandating it, apparently.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:38 AM
May 2016

This sort of stuff is not selling well with the general public:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/html/law/gender-identity-legalguidance.shtml#3.1

1. Failing To Use an Individual’s Preferred Name or Pronoun

The NYCHRL requires employers and covered entities to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun and title (e.g., Ms./Mrs.) regardless of the individual’s sex assigned at birth, anatomy, gender, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on the individual’s identification.

Most individuals and many transgender people use female or male pronouns and titles. Some transgender and gender non-conforming people prefer to use pronouns other than he/him/his or she/her/hers, such as they/them/theirs or ze/hir. 10 Many transgender and gender non-conforming people choose to use a different name than the one they were given at birth.

All people, including employees, tenants, customers, and participants in programs, have the right to use their preferred name regardless of whether they have identification in that name or have obtained a court-ordered name change, except in very limited circumstances where certain federal, state, or local laws require otherwise (e.g., for purposes of employment eligibility verification with the federal government). Asking someone their preferred gender pronoun and preferred name is not a violation of the NYCHRL.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
21. So if I went to work for the Democrat party in NYC and told them my preferred name was
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:34 PM
May 2016

Last edited Sun May 22, 2016, 01:30 PM - Edit history (2)

Rapedby Clinton or Rapedby Deblasio that's how they would have to refer to me?

Or if I worked for Trump Towers and told them my preferred name was Fuck Trump? They would be forced to refer to me by that name?

Or a NYPD cop whose preferred name is Ikill Blacks. Anyone who refuses to use that name would be fined?

If my preferred pronoun was Dr. even though I didn't have a degree, would people be fined for not referring to me to as Dr.?

Boy, New Yorkers are going to have a lot of fun with this.

I think if I move to NYC my preferred name will be Yourmajesty Iloveyou. Just for fun. And the fines that people will pay for refusing to address me as that will go a long way towards funding Deblasio's government.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
31. The way I read it, it's just gender-related. So if you are biologically a male, but
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:45 PM
May 2016

identify as female, the business or landlord or whoever has to refer to you as "Glenda" rather than "Glenn" (if that's the name you chose).

But I don't think I'd be able to force my landlord to address me as Ms. HitlerILoveYa on the grounds of non-discrimination.

The weird pronouns are hopeless to me.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
16. I have no problem with gender neutral pronouns...
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:04 AM
May 2016

my problem is that they have so many. Even German isn't that complicated. Having masculine, feminine, neutral1, neutral2, neutral3, etc, is ridiculous.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
18. Especially since singular "they" is already around, inventing new pronouns is fucking stupid.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

Grammatical gender in English has been decaying for over a 1000 years. In a few hundred years I expect "they" to replace he/she for natural, organic linguistic reasons, anyway.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
2. It's a college, for God's sake!
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016

They're always doing crazy stuff like making up pronouns. Leave them alone.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
14. Fine... But there are better ways to spend the public's money.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:01 AM
May 2016

They can do all that garbage on their own time and dime.

1939

(1,683 posts)
26. They are being left alone
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

They just won't get paid for their crazy stuff.

Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
3. They reallocated the funds for scholarship for minority
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:31 PM
May 2016

engineering students. I like that. STEM is about the future. It's where the jobs are gonna be.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
4. i'm not exactly sure what a Vice chancellor for diversity does all day
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:35 PM
May 2016

Or why he/she is making $181,000 a year.

Administrative bloat is a major issue at many public and private schools.

Of course, I'd like to know how many Associate Deans and Vice Provosts they have at the university as well.

cloudbase

(5,520 posts)
5. They spend all day justifying their existance.
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:48 PM
May 2016

See all the stuff we're producing? If we had more money and staff we could produce even more.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
6. Meanwhile universitites keep hiring more administrators
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:10 PM
May 2016

and gradually phasing out tenure track professors in favor of low paid adjunct instructors with no job security.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
10. It's definitely administrative bloat
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:27 AM
May 2016

I fail to see how paying someone 180k a year to sit around is helping college diversity.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
17. "The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy."
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:19 AM
May 2016

This is the quote that pops up in the game Civilization 4 when you finish researching Civil Service and it has stuck with me.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. As much as I think the TN legislature are dickheads, minority STEM scholarships are a better use
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:10 AM
May 2016

of that money, IMO...

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
11. Money spent for minorities in engineering is much better than spending on beurocrats making up new
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:48 AM
May 2016

Words for gender neutral pronouns. I only wish they had specified the money would go to disadvantaged minorities.

madville

(7,412 posts)
13. Sounds like a better use of the money
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:08 AM
May 2016

Paying a half million bucks a year for a few people to issue ridiculous "guidelines" sounds like a waste when instead it could be sending 10 or however many minority students through a valuable course of study.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
15. This is getting ridiculous
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:59 AM
May 2016

I've been for gay rights for years, and support transgender folks, as well, and aside from some religious whackos, I think acceptance is moving in the right direction. It's been a long time coming, but we are finally living in an era where we can see progress.

However, I think the sticking point is going to be when people are asked to go along with gender fluidity and stupid, made-up pronouns. I do get that some people don't strongly identify with only one gender, but there's going to be push back if your kid's kindergarten teacher wants to be a woman one day and a man the next. And do you really want an attorney representing you who will be a man one day and a woman the next?

Frankly, I have a hard time believing that the government is going to mandate a right for people to change genders in the workplace. I think people are going to have to choose a gender for the workplace and stick with it, and express their other gender in their off time.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
19. A hundred million a year for football.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

$3 million for the coach.

It's not public money, but it says something about our priorities, anyway.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
25. Football is a money loser at most schools
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

I can't speak to U. Tennessee, but even most D1 schools to not generate a profit from football.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
29. Why have tolerance for stupidity?
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:53 PM
May 2016

Money isn't infinite and it is the responsibility of the administration to use their resources wisely.

STEM scholarships or beuracratic filler like all the stuff listed above? It's not even close.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
30. This isn't bigotry.
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:08 PM
May 2016
With that, the university has shut the office down and eliminated its four staff positions — a $445,000 cut.


This is getting rid of nearly half a million dollars worth of bureaucracy and using the money to actually educate kids in engineering.
Just because the story is taking place in Tennessee doesn't mean it's automatically racist. Especially when it's going to be minority students that will benefit from it.
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»U. Tennessee forced by la...