and I love "game on" !

Go Bernie! Kick some Trump ass!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

Guess you can't throw him out of the party since he was never in it.

Mainly because in the long run it's not about themselves, but about uniting as a party to defeat the Republicans.

was not split. And Sanders is more of a Democrat that Hillary will ever be. Who was a Democrat in 2002 when Bush wanted a war? Hillary couldn't wait to jump to help the Republicons while Sanders upheld Democratic Principles and told Bush, hell no.

If you were truly interested in "uniting the party" you would have considered nominating Sanders. I believe most all Democrats would have united behind him. But instead Sanders and his supporters have been subjected to ridicule and ad hominem attacks.

I think your definition of "uniting the party" is to tell the Left to "sit down, shut up and vote Hillary." Not likely to happen and most likely will do the opposite of "uniting the Party".

The Democratic Party has moved too far to the right. I guess I may have to leave DU, since if this is really going to be the new Democratic Party, I'm no longer going to be a Democrat.

and we will drive them out. We can't give them the party.

it can be undone.

Simple. They were both afraid to debate Bernie Sanders.

She's so busy being cold, calculating and dismissive to Sanders, she's gonna calculate herself right out of the picture!! BWAH-hahahaha! Way to go, Hillz...

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Game on. I look forward to debating Donald Trump in California before the June 7 primary.

So he'll do anything for free publicity

Has no such excuses for not debating.
Pure cowardice, combined with a great fear of having to actually stand beside someone who sincerely wants to serve the USA.

Hillary is smart not to appear at that forum.

"But a man who procrastinates in his choosing inevitabley invites circumstance to choose for him" - Hunter S. Thompson

Cmon. Even you gotta admit this is a next level move. Gamechanger. Checkmate. Wow. I actually feel sorry for her here. When something like this happens to me I'm utterly devastated. This is the first time I've felt sympathy for the hypocrite.

And I agree -- bring on the Trump/Bernie debate. It will be a hoot!

Laugh? She should applaud someone would help her take him down. But you can't see that she won't because it's about her not us. Just like people shame him as an independent but if he ran as one Clinton wouldn't get enough votes to beat him or Trump. But Clintonites can rationalize ANYTHING. Their candidate would have to pull a Cosby to shake their beliefs.

I'll be watching from behind my couch....

and I'm guessing Hillary neither if she has the time! If our liberal friends who'd really enjoy this lived closer, we'd invite them over to watch with us.

And we get to say, "Go, Bernie!"

How does a free publicity stunt change anything? The chances of a Trump v. Sanders election are so remote that the entire notion is silly in the first place.

Fact is, Sanders can't get enough pledged delegates. The superdelegates are not going to swing the nomination away.

Sorry if that reality doesn't suit you, but if you are betting on a Sanders nomination you should be asking for 10,000 to 1 odds.

Only 272 pledged delegates separate them and over 700 are still available. It will be very close either way and with Hillary polling horribly and in trouble legally super delegates could switch. They were created to not select someone who could lose. Your analysis is completely off and totally yesterday. Living in yesterday is never a viable way to predict the future.

Depends what you mean. He will win both Dakotas. He will win CA but it will be close. He will win Puerto Rico which is delegate rich. He will win Montana. NJ at the moment looks like Clinton wins. He won't get enough unless he wins 61.8% overall to take the lead. Neither has enough to clinch. It will be dramatic.

at that point, behind in Pledged Delegates and Number of Votes, why should any of the Super Delegates switch sides ?

Sanders needs nearly 69% of the remaining delegates, but facts don't matter to some people.

attract those with a great want in them. As the Life of Brian succinctly put it ...

Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!

Girl: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.

Brian: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!

Followers: He is! He is the Messiah!

Brian: Now, feck off!

[silence]

Arthur: How shall we feck off, O Lord?

I'm not talking enough to win the nomination outright, that was only ever babble from the candidate that was behind. Contrary to pablum, superdelegates DO count.

Clinton has more pledged delegates, Sanders would have to catch up in order to strip away superdelegates from Clinton. The only legal trouble she is in is in the hopes and dreams of Trump trolls.

You sound like Fiorina with your "yesterday".

Reality is that come the convention, Sanders is still behind in pledged delegates ( it would take a miracle for him to catch up ) and the superdelegates will vote the way they have already indicated, and that's that. Don't give up on your dream, but don't set yourself up to be crushed when it doesn't come true.

That's Trump Troll material.

You win, make another lame silly comment devoid of any information and let end this.

You want it if it supports your ideas and discount it if it doesn't....hmmmm....who does that remind us of?

I point out that Sanders is behind in delegate count and you can that cherry picking? Do you even know what the phrase means?

Sanders is behind by about 270 pledged delegates. He would need almost 65% of the remaining pledged
delegates to pull even and that's not likely to happen. If he doesn't at least pull even, the superdelegates will not counter what they have already said they would do. Only someone who is cherry picking results would see any way for Sanders to win.


Here's a clue that may help you out. I don't have the baggage of your obvious bias, I'm supporting the nominee, not either Sanders or Clinton.

Super Delegates were created so a loser isnt chosen. Currently, the polls that Clintonites put so much weight in when she was winning early but like to discount when she is losing, have Clinton neck and neck and actually falling behind Trump while Bernie kicks Trump's ass. Thats called cherry-picking. And you had a Freudian slip...."I'm supporting the nominee, not either Sanders or Clinton." Not??? lol. Lighten up Thor.

Trying to put up three significant figures shows a profound lack of understanding. The numbers are not solid yet. Sanders is around 270 delegates shy of Clinton's numbers. There are about 930 delegates remaining to be allocated. To pull even, Sanders would need 601 of them. That would be Sanders 1497+601 = 2098, Clinton 1769+329 =2098. 601/930 = about 65% (64.6% but sites have the numbers slightly different so let's round to 2 sig figs). No where near your 61.8%.

If you believe your 61.8%, show your math...

And I see you don't understand the phrase Freudian Slip as well as Cherry Picking. I'm happy with either Sanders or Clinton. You are hoping with all your might that Sanders wins. Your bias blinds you to the truth and you are willing to accept anything that gives you a shred of hope as gospel.

I suggest that you take your own advice and lighten up lest a wave of despair consume you when the convention rolls around. Face it, your guy has virtually no chance.

Because I believe there are only 712 delegates up for grabs.

What is the polling in California? Are any polls showing Sanders with a 69% - 31% lead?

It could happen, but I would not bet the farm on it.

Im referring in a general sense and if you read my other responses they are quite clear.

You are in denial and projecting. Your original response consisted of, in total, "You will see".

Any rational person would see, at best, an extremely long shot at pulling 69% of the remaining pledged delegates. A rational person would admit that without earning enough pledged delegates to at least tie, the superdelegates will do as they have already indicated. They have never and likely will never counter the pledged delegates. To make an absolute statement that Sanders will win the nomination, one needs to be extremely selective in what they choose to base their perception on.

There are two types of Sanders supporters:

1. The true believers, which range from merely hopeful at long odds to totally delusional.
2. Trump trolls.

The biggest problem is that only the Trump trolls know who they are - the believers are left in a echo chamber of lies from the trolls paving the path to delusion. Trump trolls are the ones talking deus ex machina endings where 25 years of GOP attacks finally amount to something other than the politically motivated bullshit of which they consist. Trump trolls will argue ad naseum because they are either getting paid per post, or they are getting their jollies being disruptors.

re: "How does a free publicity stunt change anything?"

A strong performance in something that will be very widely watched can help Bernie do better in the June 7 primaries (esp. CA).

Too bad many of your fellow supporters can't get past their smug egos to notice this fact.

It'll be fun purely for the entertainment value. Will it make Sanders the nominee? Nope.

And is afraid to let them get more attention.

for the privilege of debating him.

I watched Kimmel--Trump said he wanted SANDERS to pay him to debate him, and the money would go to charity.

I doubt Fox will be willing to cough up "enough" money, for charity, or otherwise, and that will likely ka-bash the whole mishmash.

We'll see, though!

Not sure why you "feel sorry for her here." She's likely laughing her ass off. She's won the election, and her primary opponent just might (highly unlikely, but just might) be involved in the greatest stupid shit show to be beamed over the airwaves! Talk about "destroying the brand!"

Now, if your candidate doesn't debate, or runs away, or backs down...is he "the hypocrite?" Just using your 'charged' verbiage, here....

Bernie can call him out on things Clinton can't because she is part of the elite. It would be a political coup d'etat if Bernie closed the deal. Game changing actually. Trump would be a fool to do it but his hubris could get the best of him. It would help Bernie and also Hillary if she won. Win win. Too bad Clintonites are too jealous to see through their own bs.

I give Bernie credit, it'll likely be 4 on 1 with bunch of FOX Kochsuckers cheap shotting left and right.

I'm too left wing for you so you accuse me of liking FOX News. I don't care who blue state you insist on calling yourself but me thinks thou doth protest too much. It's so typical of Clintonites. Hey everyone I'll just name myself left, lib, dem or blue state and call anyone who calls me the centrist that I am a republican, FOX News fan or, remember, Ron Paul supporter when we argues against NSA spying. I'm so sick of it but it is kind of humorous in a pathetic way.

Yeah, now she's "scared" for not agreeing to something she was never offered....I'm sure if she did debate Trump prior to the convention you'd call her arrogant and presumptive for jumping the gun before getting the nomination. Trust me whatever you're yammering about is your own projection. I'll be looking forward to your eventual reveal.

Is by far her special, close relationship with the Bush Crime Family. If she was just another selfish 1%'er with some better social views albeit spineless I wouldn't be as turned off. The Drug War has destroyed this country in so many ways. And so has wars abroad. Bush Sr is behind most of it and supporting one of his Vichy-like lackeys is too hard to stomach.

I'd pretend a circus is a game-change too were I less rational and emotionally invested in a candidate. So I absolutely understand your desire to pretend this debate is more than it is. You need to. At this late stage in the primaries, I feel sympathy for the hypocrites who have to that.

sanders and trump can go ______________________..

They both are ___________

June 7th will tell the whole story, and after the convention, he will ________________ back to Vermont

Besides, there is no need for that.

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Just look at this thread and all the new posters going after Hillary again.

The undersides of bridges are deserted these days.

Grammar is the correct spelling. I'm sure you don't want to be accidentally confused with those under the bridge things.

So why accuse Bernie supporters of trolling? It all came up because Bernie and Trump want to debate. So we know who is doing the hating. And by the way there are people outside the campaign in the defense industry that want Hillary to win. They could always insert themselves as they have actual jobs and positions in online opinion and perception management. Who would be outside Bernies campaign that would chime in? I can't think of any? No money in it that's why.

The post they tried to have hidden didn't fill in the blanks, just left it to the readers' imagination.

and you will wonder why a shitload of actual lifetime Democratic Party members will stay home or not vote for Clinton in November? Posts like this epitomise the imperial attitude so many of the HRC camp project.

Have you been reading this board?

Please.......

is because of her supporters and how they behave. I believe they made that a valid reason earlier in this primary

of the people who will stay home and not vote for the Dem nominee inn November. As you named them, they are a "shitload."

They are both against Hillary. I expect Sanders to be a traitor and help Trump to get back at Hillary.

They may even team up once the primary and convention is over. They both have that door open. Only a couple months to go.

Trump may not make it through the Republican convention. Some republicans haven't released their delegates.

But accepting the invitation at all helps Trump and therefore hurts Hillary.

Sanders had an interview with Kimmel the previous day and set it up.



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Trump has enough delegates and IS the republican nominee. I don't know if they could take it away from him now.

Two Republicans with a lot of delegates have refused to release their delegates. He doesn't have a popular majority either, Trump likes to showboat and create an 'media tabloid-like illusion. He has to make it through the republican convention. <<< a major republican problem.

Sanders defends her against Trumps attacks more often than he agrees with them...

But if that's his attitude I don't see why he wants to debate Trump at all.

Bernie won't even mention Hillary. He is an ally and Clinton should be happy he's going after Trump. But once again Clintonites more concerned with losing the limelight. Arrogance. Ego.

That they do not have the cajones to do so. That's because most of them talk in circles. Bernie is straight when he talks. He would go on Faux, or even Crush Limpballs to debate if given the opportunity.

Especially if they are a third wayer, or DINO. Their true colors might show.

Like them or not, Fox is continually #1 in the ratings. Go show those voters who you are. Sanders has been on Fox in uncontrolled settings before. He's still alive to tell about it!!
Hillary is terrified of a Megyn Kelly moment. Or several of them!!

Seems like if they were going to be SO BAD & UNFAIR that they would also treat Sanders the same way.
Yet he's appeared on Fox several times. He even did a live O'Reilly interview. Hillary would pass out from fear of a tough question.
Its all bullshit these days.

She dealt with republicans for 11 hours in one day, you don't think she can't debate Bernie?

Been there... Done that...

After nine trips to the podium...what's the point of a tenth? Californians know his positions as well as the rest of the country...and as the polls show, they're not crazy about them.

debating, who don't haven't the slightest idea how the government works. Just read the NY Daily News interview of sanders. It was pathetic how confused he was. He has no idea how to implement anything that he has been saying his stump speeches.

And he doesn't know how government works? Get real.

People pay more attention when their own primary is coming up. That is, more Californians would probably watch a debate now than would have in Feb or March.

re: "Californians know his positions as well as the rest of the country" -- Yet, in the poll released today (reported in numerous other threads), Clinton leads Sanders in CA 46% to 44%... which only adds up to 90%, leaving an awful lot of people who still apparently don't feel they know enough to be sure who they will choose.

She did not do it voluntarily.

That's like claiming Ali should not have fought Frazier because he'd fought someone else.
Unfortunately, its a lame argument that cowards use when they are not willing to admit they are scared.

I'm not carrying water for FOX Repubs.
Your argument must be very weak in order for you to resort to such an accusation.
Think I'll just ignore you from now on.

Keep believing that.

A smart-ass, schoolyard bully-style response!
And you wonder why Hillary has not already won the nomination against a guy who wasn't even expected to be in contention!
Maybe you should check your own style of campaigning.