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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:51 AM May 2016

Exclusive: White House Blocks Transfer of Cluster Bombs to Saudi Arabia

Source: FP

Frustrated by a growing death toll, the White House has quietly placed a hold on the transfer of cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia as the Sunni ally continues its bloody war on Shiite rebels in Yemen, U.S. officials tell Foreign Policy. It’s the first concrete step the United States has taken to demonstrate its unease with the Saudi bombing campaign that human rights activists say has killed and injured hundreds of Yemeni civilians, many of them children.

The move follows rising criticism by U.S. lawmakers of America’s support for the oil-rich monarchy in the year-long conflict. Washington has sold weapons and provided training, targeting information, and aerial refueling support to the Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen. It has also sold Riyadh millions of dollars’ worth of cluster bombs in recent years.

Asked about the hold on the shipments, a senior U.S. official cited reports that the Saudi-led coalition used cluster bombs “in areas in which civilians are alleged to have been present or in the vicinity.”

“We take such concerns seriously and are seeking additional information,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-white-house-blocks-transfer-214340791.html?nhp=1



The optics are bad when you're selling cluster bombs to the country that birthed the majority of and funded the 911 hijackers.

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Exclusive: White House Blocks Transfer of Cluster Bombs to Saudi Arabia (Original Post) Jesus Malverde May 2016 OP
Good. riversedge May 2016 #1
Good. Now release the 28 pages...nr KansDem May 2016 #2
It is well past time to ban cluster bombs, alltogether. (nt) stone space May 2016 #3
Ya, no more cluster bombs n/t Hydra May 2016 #22
Not to worry. President Hillary will be happy to send cluster bombs to abusive regimes. Scuba May 2016 #4
Just a slight delay, maybe some more foreign contributions for the Foundation. bahrbearian May 2016 #7
Sad but true. mountain grammy May 2016 #17
SA gave millions to a certain foundation... Bodych May 2016 #5
And a holiday weekend at that...nt Jesus Malverde May 2016 #10
A related article. CentralMass May 2016 #26
i'm embarrassed by our relationship with a country that exports terrorism MariaThinks May 2016 #6
Me too. There are no good answers in the ME. WhoWoodaKnew May 2016 #20
Yes there is. Cassiopeia May 2016 #23
I second that motion. tazkcmo May 2016 #25
and then what do you think is going to happen? MariaThinks May 2016 #27
Complete Kumbuya of course yeoman6987 May 2016 #28
The same thing that's been happening there since the beginning of time. Cassiopeia May 2016 #30
That doesn't solve any of the problems in the ME itself. WhoWoodaKnew May 2016 #31
Like we can solve any of the problems there. Cassiopeia May 2016 #32
I agree that we're part of the problem. If every American left though, I don't think WhoWoodaKnew May 2016 #33
Social media references to Cluster Bomb Abuela hit a nerve. Divernan May 2016 #8
A great deal of hypocrisy here. The US failed to sign onto pact to eliminate these weapons. EndElectoral May 2016 #9
What were they doing going there in the first place?!! ananda May 2016 #11
If I was in power, I would use them on the Saudias. They are the real terrorist and rladdi May 2016 #12
They better find another tom_kelly May 2016 #13
if they play their cards right reddread May 2016 #14
The White House should also stop blocking the release of Bush's 28 redacted pages of the 9/11 report raindaddy May 2016 #15
Thought Cluster bombs were illegal Ferd Berfel May 2016 #16
mother jones piece "the US is one of > 80 countries who have not signed" including usual suspects reddread May 2016 #18
Tx Ferd Berfel May 2016 #21
Good, finally. mountain grammy May 2016 #19
Do you think that's John Kerry's doing? trudyco May 2016 #24
finally someone grew a brain lovuian May 2016 #29
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
4. Not to worry. President Hillary will be happy to send cluster bombs to abusive regimes.
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:06 AM
May 2016

It won't be a quid pro quo for a Saudi donation to the Clinton Foundation, just good old killing and maiming. Hillary loves cluster bombs.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/21/425303/-Hillary-Clinton-Voted-to-Continue-Cluster-Bombing-Civilians

Bodych

(133 posts)
5. SA gave millions to a certain foundation...
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:09 AM
May 2016

...and months later, SA received a huge arms deal from the US, approved by the State Dept. It's taken years to deliver this particular package of death and destruction.

It kind of begs a question: Is the other shoe about to drop?

Just nonsense, I'm sure. Those Friday news dumps are sometimes telling, however.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
25. I second that motion.
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:43 PM
May 2016

I'd rather unleash Sec Kerry on the ME and support his efforts there. I'm very confident in his abilities and chances for progress in the region.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
30. The same thing that's been happening there since the beginning of time.
Sat May 28, 2016, 03:27 PM
May 2016

They'll continue to fight and oppress each other over their various religious differences.

We can do nothing but focus their anger towards us instead of each other.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
32. Like we can solve any of the problems there.
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:37 AM
May 2016

We are a massive part of the problems in the ME. We will not bomb our way out and can not bomb our way into a solution.

WhoWoodaKnew

(847 posts)
33. I agree that we're part of the problem. If every American left though, I don't think
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

any of the major problems there would be solved. It's a mess and will be long after we're dead.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
8. Social media references to Cluster Bomb Abuela hit a nerve.
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:18 AM
May 2016

Hillary's pro-cluster bomb vote in the U.S. Senate, and her actions as SOS in approving massive sale of same to Saudi Arabia have generated much criticism in this campaign, and have proven totally indefensible by even her campaign's spin machine and/or most ardent supporters.

And "the optics are bad when you're selling cluster bombs" to ANYONE, ANY country.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
9. A great deal of hypocrisy here. The US failed to sign onto pact to eliminate these weapons.
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:18 AM
May 2016

"In May 2008, then-Acting Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs Stephen Mull stated that the U.S. military relies upon cluster munitions as an important part of their defense strategy.

"Cluster munitions are available for use by every combat aircraft in the U.S. inventory, they are integral to every Army or Marine maneuver element and in some cases constitute up to 50 percent of tactical indirect fire support. U.S. forces simply cannot fight by design or by doctrine without holding out at least the possibility of using cluster munitions."

—?Stephen Mull"

"According to BankTrack, an international network of NGOs specializing in control of financial institutions, many major banks and other financial corporations either directly financed, or provided financial services to companies producing cluster munition in 2005-2012. Among other, BankTrack 2012 report names ABN AMRO, Bank of America, Bank of China, Bank of Tokyo Mitsubishi UFJ, Barclays, BBVA, BNP Paribas, Citigroup, Commerzbank AG, Commonwealth Bank of Australia, Crédit Agricole, Credit Suisse Group, Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs, HSBC, Industrial Bank of China, ING Group, JPMorgan Chase, Korea Development Bank, Lloyds TSB, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Royal Bank of Canada, Royal Bank of Scotland, Sberbank, Société Générale, UBS, Wells Fargo."

During the Vietnam War, the US used cluster bombs in air strikes against targets in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.[6] According to The Guardian, of the 260 million cluster bomblets that rained down on Laos between 1964 and 1973, particularly on Xieng Khouang province, 80 million failed to explode. The GlobalPost reports that as of 2009 about 7,000 people have been injured or killed by explosives left from the Vietnam War era in the Vietnamese Quang Tri Province alone.

Afghanistan, 2001 - 2002
United States and other NATO countries used large numbers of cluster munitions during the initial stage of the operation. 1,228 cluster bombs containing 248,056 bomblets were used by the Coalition

Iraq
2003-2006: United States and allies attacked Iraq with 13,000 cluster munitions, containing two million submunitions during Operation Iraqi Freedom, according to the HRW. At multiple times, coalition forces used cluster munitions in residential areas, and the country remains among the most contaminated by this day, bomblets posing a threat to both US military personnel in the area, and local civilians.

When these weapons were fired on Baghdad on April 7, 2003 many of the bomblets failed to explode on impact. Afterward, some of them exploded when touched by civilians. USA Today reported that "the Pentagon presented a misleading picture during the war of the extent to which cluster weapons were being used and of the civilian casualties they were causing.

tom_kelly

(961 posts)
13. They better find another
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:01 AM
May 2016

Country to sell them to, and quick. They're already on last quarters books. This administration is messing with our bottom line! - MIC

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
16. Thought Cluster bombs were illegal
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:26 AM
May 2016

Regardless....even if legal.....my question:

How the hell does a sale like this even get to a point where the WH has to step in to stop it?

Sounds like this sale was well underway with out any knowledge of our government.

Fucking stupid

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
21. Tx
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

Our Fascist Elite keeps the profits

From the article - US is not a signatory

Why they've been banned: Cluster munitions were first deployed in 1943, when Soviet forces dropped them on German tanks. Due to the danger they pose to noncombatants, they were banned by the Convention on Cluster Munitions, a 2008 treaty signed by 116 nations. Tens of thousands of civilians—a third of them children—have been maimed or killed after encountering the unexploded ordnances in Afghanistan, Cambodia, Kosovo, Iraq, and beyond.

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