How civilized.

Not.

She's your wife. Not your child.

I would prefer that people recognize individuals regardless of age as self-determined.

Thats pretty much the reason we have so many disrespectful delinquents out there.

But the whole "official approval" of wife beating is ridiculous. Wives dont require "discipline".
And beating a child isnt proper discipline either

And the war on women continues apace.

I'm sure many in the USA would go there too.

Fortunately our semi-secular society says they cannot.

No, not well enough, but "light beating" is not permitted or encouraged by our justice system or the majority of religious denominations.

Math. It really does mean something.

and his supporters say they will make the first lady great again.

What do people think they mean by that? Surely it's not just about putting ethnic minorities in our place. They likely have grand plans for women too.

Why is so much of the world ruled by cretins with control issues?

Kind of an important distinction.

MT's point . . .

It's not about men beating women, it's about those eeeeeevil Muslims and the eeeeeevil progressives who won't hate them for what their extremists/fundamentalists believe.

Oh, just in case . . .

I was also a little confused by a previous comment suggesting that it was a government issue rather than a religious one. Now I understand. It's a Muslim-government issue only. Got it.

The list of ritualized excuses used to make the law is not at all relevant. What matters is the laws that are made.
You seem to think that the quality of the law is not important, what matters is what excuses were offered for making that law. I do not understand that at all.

let's keep pretending it's not happening.

and not care about the women who are currently being killed to make the proposal an improvement.

Kinda like pretending that Christian, Jewish, Hindu (need I go on) men do not beat their wives just as readily as Muslim men when they are armed with merely tacit religious and governmental approval? (I say tacit because all religious texts share the subjugation of women as a basic tenet, our legal prohibitions are so arbitrarily and infrequently enforced that they place no real consequences on the behavior, and our "Christian" culture finds every reason possible to excuse it.)

Just admit this OP is a subterfuge for anti-Muslim hatred and move on. We all know what you are trying to get across.

It seems easy to blame the messenger.

Maria posted a news article. Would you prefer news articles not to be posted?

I said subjugate, not beat. The beating comes when a religious tradition mandates male domination, as do most of the world's major religions and all of the major Western religions, and its civil institutions and practices fail to meaningfully limit it.

The messenger isn't being blamed; the religio-, and ethno-, centric anti-Islam message of hate is.

islam does not. Men are allowed 4 wives, can divorce by repeating it three times, and can evidently beat them.

Show me where in Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism or even Scientology that anything like this is allowed in their scriptures. Stop trying to hide the truth.

I see (to the point of including a non-religion).

That's a poor job of singling out Islam as worse than those which dominate the Western powers who wish to wage a perpetual war against A RELIGION.

Oh, btw

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Buddhism

In Hinduism women's role is to contribute to the Dharma of men

Should I keep going?

Perhaps this is why the physical abuse of women knows no boundaries

scientology is a western religion.

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Scientology is a religion?

Well there's a debate for another day.

Dharma . . . know it or just looked it up?

Hey, that's a germane issue too.

These desperate attempts at diversion evidence just one thing. The incidence of aggressive physical violence by men against women is every bit as high in Western societies dominated by Judeo-Christian traditions as they are in Islamic countries. The same behaviors which Islamic councils openly approve are tacitly approved in the West by judicial systems designed to allow perpetrators to escape consequences, religious systems which preach male dominance, and a culture which turns a blind eye, and often cheers, males who are violent towards women. Muslim haters, cannot, and will not, discuss these simple facts.

There is no Western superiority when it comes to this issue.

Find some other reason to hate.

The hate is being spread by those who would physically beat women as per the start of this OP.

Stop trying to deflect and stop trying to suppress the truth.

About Judeo-Christian cultures' superiority on the issue of men's aggressive physical violence toward women.

START living in the real world where the villain is conduct, not religion.

The lives and health of millions of women living in countries dominated by Judeo Christian values are being destroyed while folks are trying to find some justification for religious hatred.

so I didn't continue past the warnings, and didn't look into the details of the warnings.

I must have missed Sunday school the day they talked about "women and their peculiar sin nature", or how to beat it out of them.

I'm guessing I missed that Sunday school lesson by a few centuries.

On the wife's buttocks when she is in the mood👹. Lay a hand on her in anger at any time and I am rightfully out the door. If not pushing up daisies. Children as well. Hitting people to control them is really slavery.

If not (and you know it's not), you're just using bullshit deflection like so many on DU feel compelled to do in order to prove Bill Maher right every single fucking day.

... I despise all religions equally, and evil shit like this is the reason why. ALL the ultra-conservative fundamentalist religions are ruled by misogynistic old bastards, but the savage psychopaths that pervert the Quran to suit their diseased concept of how life oughta be are WAY out in front of that mob.

constantly giving us excuses to feel culturally and intellectually superior to those backwards primitives.

"...and so will my administration of chauvinist nut jobs."

Excellent! (did you know there are people who think this is a real PS announcement!)

I like Mr. Sharp. Here is his take (well one of them) on religion.

Haha. That was great.

those be? How are you determining how BIG a religion is?

thumb" (the stick with which you beat her cannot be wider than your thumb) and all the "wives shall be submissive to their husbands" crap of the other abrahamic belief systems. do we need to cite domestic violence stats here? or rape stats? and how many xians and domionists and other woman-haters in legislative power here?

Took 'em a long time to get out of the 12th.

We have Christians in America who teach how to beat babies.

These must be some lovely people (sarcasm).

Beating Babies in the Name of Jesus? The Shady World of Right-Wing 'Discipline' Guides

http://www.alternet.org/story/153006/beating_babies_in_the_name_of_jesus_the_shady_world_of_right-wing_'discipline'_guides

They even recommend what type of plumbing tubing to use.

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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/05/18/this-christian-is-selling-child-beating-sticks-but-he-doesnt-want-the-internet-to-find-out/

This Christian is Selling Child-Beating Sticks (But He Doesn’t Want the Internet to Find Out)

(easily fits in a ...diaper bag).

That's the difference here, these Islamic theocracies are the ones issuing these kind of horrid "lessons" to their male citizens. Again, if there is a Christian, Jewish, Hindu, whatever-religion majority country out there telling husbands to lightly beat their wife, let me know.

There are plenty of Christians who want our gov't run by Christianity.

Most are going to be very disappointed because it won't be their version in charge.

If it was this version of Christianity, expect the edict.

If not (and you know they're not), you're just using bullshit deflection.

n/t

As long as they aren't Christians, there are plenty of people on DU who will defend or minimize right wing extremists.

Leave it to CNN -- and the OP -- to largely elide the fact that this "proclamation" is a response to the February passage in the Punjabi general assembly of the Protection of Women Against Violence Act.

Though the 75 member CII advises the legislature, they are non-statutory and the legislature is free to (and does) ignore them. They are an odious organization, and it was under pressure from these Islamists that the national assembly discussed tabling the bill, but the outcry in civil society has been widespread.

Believe it or not, large parts of Pakistani civil society are trying to do things the egalitarian west would consider progressive. Unfortunately there remains a significant portion of the population that opposes such things. However, given what has happened recently in the U.S. in places like Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, ad infinitum, it is beyond disingenuous to pretend that the U.S. is somehow immune to or progressed beyond hateful, discriminatory religious politics.

Don't mistake me: Pakistan is not an easy, egalitarian, or progressive place to live. Pakistan is, technically, a democratic republic (don't get me started on the realities), but it is also only 70 years old. How progressive, and how democratic, was the U.S. in 1850?

I have no idea if these women photographed are Pakistani but I love the messages. Check out these brave warriors!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trybeatingmelightly-pakistan-wife-beating-bill_us_574c7bd4e4b0dacf7ad54417