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Judi Lynn

(160,630 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:46 PM Jun 2016

Corruption case casts harsh light on NYPD handgun permits

Source: Associated Press

Corruption case casts harsh light on NYPD handgun permits

Tom Hays, Associated Press

Updated 5:06 pm, Saturday, June 25, 2016

NEW YORK (AP) — A corruption probe at the New York Police Department has cast a harsh light on how people get handgun permits in a city that boasts some of the nation's toughest gun laws.

Federal prosecutors say a shady fixer's cash bribes induced officers working in NYPD's licensing division to rubber-stamp dozens of gun applications, circumventing stringent background checks intended to weed out candidates with criminal records, mental health problems and other red flags. The potential public safety breach comes amid a national debate over whether easy access to weapons fueled the Orlando massacre and other mass shootings.

"We don't want guns getting into the wrong hands, and we have officers of the law facilitating that process," said Leah Gunn Barrett, executive director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence. "That is not a good situation."

The New York investigation caught Alex "Shaya" Lichtenstein, a volunteer safety patrol member in his Orthodox Jewish neighborhood, on tape bragging that he had obtained at least 150 licenses for people to carry guns by paying up to $6,000 in bribes for each weapon.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Corruption-case-casts-harsh-light-on-NYPD-handgun-8324667.php

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Corruption case casts harsh light on NYPD handgun permits (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2016 OP
The fact that anyone got one... scscholar Jun 2016 #1
If the permits are hard to get, then of course they are worth a lot of money. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #2
Agreed Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #3
$450? Yikes, New York is expensive. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #4
Wow. In Mumbai it's (I kid you not) 5 rupees, and is "shall issue" Recursion Jun 2016 #5
Check out Hannity, just saying... winstars Jun 2016 #6
You mean Sean 'I Get Pulled Over Regularly' Hannity rpannier Jun 2016 #10
No, the guy who has a concealed weapon permit for no clear reason...In NYC...??? winstars Jun 2016 #11
Law Enforcement Monitoring Us Right Now billhicks76 Jun 2016 #7
Why isn't this guy in prison right now? And it should be for a long time. Jitter65 Jun 2016 #8
This is the common outcome of "may issue" systems. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #9

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
2. If the permits are hard to get, then of course they are worth a lot of money.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jun 2016

Simple supply and demand.

Change to "shall-issue" instead of "may-issue" and the opportunity for corruption goes way down.

I wonder how much Trump paid for his license.

As for guns getting into the hands of people with criminal records, that's maybe a different problem. The gun purchase background check is federal, not state or municipal.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
3. Agreed
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jun 2016

I'm willing to bet that under a shall issue system a rich white guy has an easier time getting a gun permit than a poor black guy, yet many liberals will defend themselves.

Plus the 450.00 fee (handgun permit). I don't live in NYC, but I've got money, I could pay it. I guess if you are not well off, you don't deserve some rights according to those in government.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
4. $450? Yikes, New York is expensive.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jun 2016

It's about $125 in MI, for a five-year concealed carry permit, on top of about $100 for mandatory training. That's still a bunch of money, bot nothing approaching the $6000-10000 bribes the article mentions.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Wow. In Mumbai it's (I kid you not) 5 rupees, and is "shall issue"
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jun 2016

Now, the "shall issue" includes 17 pages (I again kid you not) of circumstances that result in a "no", including any ties (even family or communal ones) to terrorism or crime, history of drug or alcohol abuse, any mental health adjudication, basically any crime other than a parking ticket, etc. (And if they say no you get your 5 rupees back.) And it takes about a year, though that's also true for just about any permit (I just got my export license for my dog, and it took 36 stamps and 12 signatures).

Yes, the criminals still have guns, though they don't seem to use them all that much. The overall homicide rate is 1.2 (NYC's is 5.5, and this is probably the safest NYC has ever been), and gun homicides are about 5% of that (as compared to 50% in NYC). My point is it's not particularly legally more difficult to get a gun in Mumbai than it is in NYC (and, just like NYC, Mumbai is surrounded by jurisdictions where it's much easier, legally or illegally, to get one). There really is a cultural difference here; when a police tactical squad fired 200 rounds in a shootout with D-company (kind of Mumbai's version of Murder Inc.) people were shocked and the entire police department was reorganized. (Similarly, the state government recently fell over the fact that 106 people had died in police custody over the course of 15 years; just in 2012 4039 people died in the US in police custody, and Maharashtra's population is 125 million.)

rpannier

(24,339 posts)
10. You mean Sean 'I Get Pulled Over Regularly' Hannity
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:32 AM
Jun 2016

The guy who claims he gets out of the car, then reaches for his belt area to lift his shirt to show he doesn't have a weapon

That f@cker would have been dead by now if that story were even 1/10th true

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
7. Law Enforcement Monitoring Us Right Now
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jun 2016

When it comes to Cannabis and other drugs they turn the camera and microphone on in your phone. Facebook also does this and mines your texts and phone book. They know who you stood next to and had a conversation with. That person will be suggested as a friend within hours even though they are nowhere in your phone. Maybe the police should have stood up for privacy rights when we had the chance.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
8. Why isn't this guy in prison right now? And it should be for a long time.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jun 2016

If any of the guns he passed were involved in a homicide he should spend life in prison.

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