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Always Randy

(1,059 posts)
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:00 PM Jul 2016

Creationists say theme park’s caged dinosaurs will prove Bible story about Noah’s Ark

Source: Raw Story

Creationist Ken Ham has spent $101 million, with help from taxpayer subsidies, to build a replica of the ark mentioned in the biblical story of Noah. However, the Bible never said anything about the dinosaur cages that the ark will be outfitted with.

The Los Angeles Times, who got a tour Tuesday, reports that Ham said the massive ark, based on the Biblical tale of Noah who receives an end-of-the-world prophecy from God about a massive flood, “will stand as proof that the stories of the Bible are true.”

Inside the ark are cages with replicas of animals, as well as Noah and his family, and their pet dinosaurs. Ham and his organization believe that God created the world and everything in it approximately 6,000 years ago. That means, 6,000 years ago God made man and dinosaurs so that they could cohabitate, but Noah’s flood wiped them all out.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/creationists-say-theme-parks-caged-dinosaurs-will-prove-bible-story-about-noahs-ark/comments/#disqus



I am just begging and hoping that Bill Nye---the Science Guy--- will ask one simple question. Tell me about the removal of animal excrement from the Ark. I have a link below that indicates elephants defecate up to 20 times a day.


http://library.sandiegozoo.org/factsheets/asian_elephant/asian_elephant.htm
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Creationists say theme park’s caged dinosaurs will prove Bible story about Noah’s Ark (Original Post) Always Randy Jul 2016 OP
Why did the animals need cages? itsrobert Jul 2016 #1
How do YOU know anoNY42 Jul 2016 #27
Tough when the world repopulated from a single family of 8... TipTok Jul 2016 #61
To answer your question, they always throw garbage in the Sea. A better question would be how did Sunlei Jul 2016 #2
feeding was the first thing on my mind ---but elephant shit attracts more flies Always Randy Jul 2016 #5
Look the Israelites ate manna in the wilderness, so maybe GAWD supplied manna to the Ark. yellowcanine Jul 2016 #13
Not to mention the carnivores Cirque du So-What Jul 2016 #17
Because Jesus Throckmorton Jul 2016 #37
So the replica of Hogwart's at Universal Studios proves magic is real? forgotmylogin Jul 2016 #3
The replica of Springfield Liberalagogo Jul 2016 #11
Cartoons are real, Throckmorton Jul 2016 #38
Dead people are real Liberalagogo Jul 2016 #46
Don't forget the aquariums Liberalagogo Jul 2016 #4
water water everywhere but not a drop to drink Always Randy Jul 2016 #7
Actually, the saltwater fish would be in danger NickB79 Jul 2016 #70
Where do they house the 5 million insect species? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #6
here here Bernardo ----no rush to judgement Always Randy Jul 2016 #12
Yup. If world floods, all water is salty, so they'd need freshwater fish tanks. Lots of fish tanks. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #15
Gee whiz Bernardo Always Randy Jul 2016 #20
More to the point might be... TreasonousBastard Jul 2016 #21
Pittsburg, Throckmorton Jul 2016 #39
The usual response is "after their kind." Igel Jul 2016 #40
Go read up on 'kinds' sometime... TipTok Jul 2016 #62
Ppl like this should not be permitted to vote or breed nt broadcaster75201 Jul 2016 #8
.............. LongTomH Jul 2016 #9
Dinosaurs NY World's Fair 1964-65 bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #10
I want to visit there ---when Duck Dynasty is let loose in the park Always Randy Jul 2016 #14
I liked my plastic Sinclair brontosaurus. Igel Jul 2016 #42
At the Fair bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #45
$100 million could feed many homeless people jzodda Jul 2016 #16
I think of this kind of thing all the time Rhiannon12866 Jul 2016 #59
For your consideration..... Liberalagogo Jul 2016 #18
excellent ---especially the last one Always Randy Jul 2016 #19
Could these be the false idols we were warned about??? Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #22
No one else had a boat? truebrit71 Jul 2016 #23
No one had a magical beaver wood boat Throckmorton Jul 2016 #41
Let me see if I understand...... Jazzgirl Jul 2016 #24
it's an ... interesting ... standard of proof 0rganism Jul 2016 #25
Facepalm sarisataka Jul 2016 #26
State feckin' money! Squinch Jul 2016 #28
Wait! I thought the dinosaurs died in the flood. bklyncowgirl Jul 2016 #29
Nope. They were gay sarisataka Jul 2016 #31
Thank you for that revelation. bklyncowgirl Jul 2016 #33
Don't forget the giant ants!! KansDem Jul 2016 #30
I look at all the materials that was used to build that thing of vanity Javaman Jul 2016 #32
Don't give up hope, yet! sofa king Jul 2016 #35
Hamm is such an egomaniac that he will probably burn it down when it goes belly up. nt Javaman Jul 2016 #36
Paleontologists talk about reverse-evolving a chicken into a T-Rex. The genes are there... haele Jul 2016 #34
No. But the chickens won't be free range. Igel Jul 2016 #43
At least we wouldn't have to worry about raccoons jcgoldie Jul 2016 #71
Did he leave room for the 7 pairs of clean animals? Igel Jul 2016 #44
I want to know where they housed all the STD's and pubic lice NickB79 Jul 2016 #47
Way beat me too it... Ligyron Jul 2016 #66
They probably think dinosaurs are like this... 47of74 Jul 2016 #48
OH Yee of little "faith" Person 2713 Jul 2016 #49
PROVE? demwing Jul 2016 #50
Wait, if dinosaurs got wiped out by the flood, why are they showing them on the ark? tanyev Jul 2016 #51
How does one get a breeding population of zebras? longship Jul 2016 #52
Fuck science. We have the Bible, bitches! Blandocyte Jul 2016 #53
Fish are animals. Did Noah put sea creatures and fresh Lint Head Jul 2016 #54
How fucking stupid, why did he get to waste my money? Can I get some of it back? Rex Jul 2016 #55
When do they sell the advertising rights to the ark zz-la Jul 2016 #56
Will Fred and Wilma Flintstone be there? milestogo Jul 2016 #57
Just drill a hole in the bottom to let the excrement out TrogL Jul 2016 #58
They've got two doors for that ... Nihil Jul 2016 #63
Poor Barney! Night Watchman Jul 2016 #60
I asked about this when I was a kid. DawgHouse Jul 2016 #64
And just how does plastic figures of dinosaurs in a fake boat prove anything? mysuzuki2 Jul 2016 #65
Y'all are missing one of the biggest problems with the story jmowreader Jul 2016 #67
that elephants poop like 20 times a day DOES explain fox news dembotoz Jul 2016 #68
I imagine, good Christian that he is, Ham lets people into the park for free. Vinca Jul 2016 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #72

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
1. Why did the animals need cages?
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jul 2016

Polar Bears walked on their own from the Artic to the Middle East/Southwest Asia and they can't be trusted without being put in a cage?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
2. To answer your question, they always throw garbage in the Sea. A better question would be how did
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jul 2016

they feed and water animals for '40 days and 40 nights?

fresh water from rain sure, but without tons of hay all the animals would starve in about 2 weeks tops.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
13. Look the Israelites ate manna in the wilderness, so maybe GAWD supplied manna to the Ark.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jul 2016

Just because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean it did not happen!

Cirque du So-What

(25,941 posts)
17. Not to mention the carnivores
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jul 2016

Preservation of meat would have been a problem, and the bible doesn't mention surplus animals being brought along for the meat-eaters.

Throckmorton

(3,579 posts)
37. Because Jesus
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jul 2016

Get thee behind me unclean worshipper of baal, or some other blindingly logical answer.

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
4. Don't forget the aquariums
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jul 2016

for all the fresh water fish.
And all the tanks for fresh water for everyone on board.

Always Randy

(1,059 posts)
7. water water everywhere but not a drop to drink
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jul 2016

I agree with you----they are going to have to do an update on the size of the vessel

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
70. Actually, the saltwater fish would be in danger
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jul 2016

If you hypothetically added enough water to raise sea levels by 25,000+ feet, you'd dilute ocean water to the point sea life couldn't survive. Freshwater fish would likely have an easier time of it (though they'd still all run out of food as the aquatic food chain fell apart in short order).

Let's see those tanks holding the great white sharks and schools of tuna!

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
6. Where do they house the 5 million insect species?
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jul 2016

A 2011 study estimates 8.7 million species on earth, of which only about 1.2 million have been identified and counted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_biodiversity

In 1982, Terry Erwin published an estimate of global species richness of 30 million, by extrapolating from the numbers of beetles found in a species of tropical tree. In one species of tree, Erwin identified 1200 beetle species, of which he estimated 163 were found only in that type of tree.[27] Given the 50,000 described tropical tree species, Erwin suggested that there are almost 10 million beetle species in the tropics.[28] In 2011 a study published in PLoS Biology estimated there to be 8.7 million ± 1.3 million eukaryotic species on Earth.[11] A 2016 study concludes that Earth is home to 1 trillion species.[29]


Where do they house the plants on the ark? The bacteria? The polio, the smallpox, the ebola virus, the HIV virus?

102,000 species of spiders.
Some estimates of the number of insect species go as high as 30 million.

The food for all those animals?

Climate control for the animals? Some die if temps are above 10 deg C, some die if temps below 20 deg C.

It would be laughable nonsense if it were not so stupid.

Always Randy

(1,059 posts)
12. here here Bernardo ----no rush to judgement
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jul 2016

I am certain that they will have a reasonable explanation for this ----how about the gator pond? gators and crocs have to b e separate because of their fresh vs salt water requirements

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
15. Yup. If world floods, all water is salty, so they'd need freshwater fish tanks. Lots of fish tanks.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jul 2016

About half of the 33,000 fish species are fresh water fish.

Conversely, so much rain to flood over the top of Mt Everest would dilute the salt water, so they might need tanks for salt water fish.

Would really need tanks for all species of fish, to maintain the correct amount of salinity for each.

Something fishy about their whole story.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
40. The usual response is "after their kind."
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jul 2016

You don't need a breeding pair of every animal; speciation (could have) occurred after the Flood.

Don't expect consistency. Some will argue "nothing like evolution." Some will argue that evolution from one species to another is right out, but having species diversify is okay--maybe in general, maybe as a one-time thing, and good luck sorting out that difference between that an evolution as usually taught in high school.

The reason for not expecting consistency is that there are different groups of creationists with different sets of beliefs. The most shoddily thinking of them conflate them all into a kind of plum-pudding. Others try to be "theory"-internally consistent. (The science guy in me hates that usage of "theory"; but the humanities guy in me finds it to be perfectly acceptable usage. No, the science definition is not The One True Definition.) Even secularists come in different flavors, depending on their depth and range of knowledge and what they want to believe.

Heck, there are even old-Earth creationists. The universe started 13.7 billion years ago, the earth was formed 4.67 billion years ago, but the Genesis creation story is the re-creation after the Earth was trashed. Under that version, man was made less than 6000 years ago. Some, I suspect, even liked the book on the "Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind." Why? Because if man was created in God's image, that wasn't necessarily (they argue) physical, but moral or intellectual, and so there might be some quasi-literal way to keep 1.5 million year old fossils *and* "True Humans" being formed 6000 or fewer years back. Enjoy.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
62. Go read up on 'kinds' sometime...
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:08 AM
Jul 2016

In other words, every dog, wolf, and everything that looks like one came from the two wolves that were on the boat.

Logic plays no part in any of this. The greater the intellectual gap, the better they feel because that requires greater 'faith'.

A quality they have been told is the defining characterstic of a human being and second to none.

bucolic_frolic

(43,180 posts)
10. Dinosaurs NY World's Fair 1964-65
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jul 2016

were part of the oil companies exhibits

the idea was the oil came from decayed dinosaurs

Sinclair oil logo was a big green brontosaurus

what do you expect from the age of Fred Flintstone

bucolic_frolic

(43,180 posts)
45. At the Fair
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jul 2016

they had these giant injection moulding machines, under domes plexi-glass if
they had such a thing then. You put in I think it was 50 cents, the two halves of
the mold came together, lots of noise, a minute or two late the molds popped
apart and the dino was out the ejection shoot

Usually there's one or two available on eBay

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
59. I think of this kind of thing all the time
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:17 AM
Jul 2016

When candidates for national offices are forced to raise millions to fund their campaigns, I always wonder how many hungry people that vast amount of money could feed.

Always Randy

(1,059 posts)
19. excellent ---especially the last one
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jul 2016

I hadn't thought about the idea of the story----so attendees at the park get to tell their kid about the angry God that flooded the earth -----I think the kids would be better at Six Flags

Jazzgirl

(3,744 posts)
24. Let me see if I understand......
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

Putting these dinosaurs on a fake boat financed with state tax breaks prove dinosaurs and man coexisted???

0rganism

(23,957 posts)
25. it's an ... interesting ... standard of proof
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jul 2016

maybe calling it "proof" would make sense if i were a fundamentalist creationist? clearly not the target audience.

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
31. Nope. They were gay
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jul 2016


Although that does bring up the question, did Noah let non-gay dinosaurs on the ark or were they gay and died from their evil homosexual ways later?

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
32. I look at all the materials that was used to build that thing of vanity
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jul 2016

and how instead the same materials could have built housing for the homeless.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
35. Don't give up hope, yet!
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jul 2016

When the contribution scam ends and the project goes belly-up, it could still be turned into Section 8 Housing.

haele

(12,660 posts)
34. Paleontologists talk about reverse-evolving a chicken into a T-Rex. The genes are there...
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

So, is Mr. Hamm going to show an emu or a cassowary, and call it a dinosaur?

Haele

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
47. I want to know where they housed all the STD's and pubic lice
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jul 2016

A couple dozen humans on a ship, and dozens of known human STD's and genital parasites. That's not good.

The Lord's commandment of "Be fruitful and multiply" would be a LOT harder to carry out once that ship hit dry land with those kind of odds. It would basically be like playing Russian Roulette with your junk.

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
66. Way beat me too it...
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jul 2016

guess they carried all the parasites and diseases too.

Wouldn't want to forget those!

longship

(40,416 posts)
52. How does one get a breeding population of zebras?
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jul 2016

When one releases the lions and zebras together?

Huh?

And how do the marsupials get to Australia without leaving populations all along the way? Either it's gawd, or the Wallace gap.

I choose the latter.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
54. Fish are animals. Did Noah put sea creatures and fresh
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jul 2016

water creatures on the ark? Whales? Sharks? How about snakes? Satan's favorite animal. Worms? Flys? Mosquitoes?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
55. How fucking stupid, why did he get to waste my money? Can I get some of it back?
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:34 PM
Jul 2016

As a taxpayer, I want to know how he cons 101 million from our government. I want a refund!

zz-la

(224 posts)
56. When do they sell the advertising rights to the ark
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jul 2016

The only thing missing is a bunch of billboard ads plastered on the exterior of the ark.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
63. They've got two doors for that ...
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:05 AM
Jul 2016

One where they charge to go in and one where the droppings from the gene pool get out again ...

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
64. I asked about this when I was a kid.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jul 2016

My pastor told me that the lord made it so that animals didn't have to eat or defecate when on the ark. Seriously, that is what he told me.

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
65. And just how does plastic figures of dinosaurs in a fake boat prove anything?
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jul 2016

You'd think these characters had no idea how science works ...

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
67. Y'all are missing one of the biggest problems with the story
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jul 2016

Noah spent 75 years building a wooden boat roughly the size of a World War II aircraft carrier, from trees which aren't exactly plentiful in the desert, and no one noticed.

You're also missing out that "the whole world" in the Bible was the Arabian Peninsula. If tigers or polar bears didn't exist in the Arabian Peninsula, they wouldn't have been on the Ark.

And fish? Come on: fish LIVE in water. The Flood was water. Where do you think they were kept?

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
69. I imagine, good Christian that he is, Ham lets people into the park for free.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jul 2016
More proof a fool and his money are easily parted.

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