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Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:40 PM Jul 2016

James Stavridis, Retired Admiral, Is Being Vetted as Hillary Clinton’s Running Mate

Source: NY Times



Hillary Clinton’s campaign is vetting James G. Stavridis, a retired four-star Navy admiral who served as the 16th supreme allied commander at NATO, as a possible running mate, according to a person with knowledge of the vetting process.

Some close to Mrs. Clinton, the former secretary of state, say she was always likely to have someone with military experience on her vice-presidential short list, and Mr. Stavridis, currently the dean of the Fletcher School at Tufts University, fits the description.

During his four years as NATO’s supreme allied commander, he oversaw operations in the Middle East — Afghanistan, Libya and Syria — as well as in the Balkans and piracy off the coast of Africa.

The Clinton campaign declined requests for comment, and Mr. Stavridis declined to comment other than referring calls to the campaign. The person with knowledge of the vetting spoke anonymously because of the sensitive nature of the process.
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Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/james-stavridis-hillary-clinton-vice-president.html



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James Stavridis, Retired Admiral, Is Being Vetted as Hillary Clinton’s Running Mate (Original Post) Renew Deal Jul 2016 OP
A VEEP choice from the MIC? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #1
Worse he is the Dean of the Fletcher School whistler162 Jul 2016 #6
Worse still, he oversaw the 2011 Libya campaign. forest444 Jul 2016 #51
I was kind of hoping for someone we had all heard of. Skinner Jul 2016 #2
His nickname is Zorba Renew Deal Jul 2016 #7
He's a feint.....to be used as comparison to any ex military Trump looks at. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #8
I'd have to agree. This guy brings nothing to the table LynneSin Jul 2016 #22
WTF does "military experience" have to do with being VP? arcane1 Jul 2016 #3
Well one aspect is its assumed he would have experience with running a large organization cstanleytech Jul 2016 #48
If you're a war hawk, I guess you can't go wrong with a general or admiral. fbc Jul 2016 #4
Depends on how you look at the election Renew Deal Jul 2016 #9
"according to a person with knowledge of the vetting process." Was this the same person who still_one Jul 2016 #5
His referral to the campaign is the same as everyone else that is being vetted. Renew Deal Jul 2016 #11
These things are usually leaked on purpose to the media FLPanhandle Jul 2016 #12
either a trial ballon, or a finesse to misdirect the media. I choose the later still_one Jul 2016 #15
Nice choice as it negates the whole "Trump can protect Americans" FLPanhandle Jul 2016 #10
Maybe not... freebrew Jul 2016 #29
This "news" concerns me... Moostache Jul 2016 #13
That's a good point Renew Deal Jul 2016 #14
But not Yukari Yakumo Jul 2016 #68
and I would bet it isn't going to happen either. As you alluded, he really brings nothing to the still_one Jul 2016 #16
They love to trial balloon these things Renew Deal Jul 2016 #20
you are right still_one Jul 2016 #23
Good point NWCorona Jul 2016 #41
I suspect that Hillary is vetting anyone reasonably qualified to be Vice President LynneSin Jul 2016 #24
"...addition of a military commander to the ticket is a hideously bad idea." mpcamb Jul 2016 #62
Why? Do we really need the military for less involvement sinkingfeeling Jul 2016 #17
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #21
This guy is nothing more than a leak and a distraction from any Trump VP news LynneSin Jul 2016 #25
^^^ Hear, hear! sofa king Jul 2016 #38
We have Obama's wars to maintain as well n/t arcane1 Jul 2016 #26
Sorry, but I prefer my elected officials without epaulets. PSPS Jul 2016 #18
Interesting choice... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #19
I would be very disappointed if.... chillfactor Jul 2016 #27
"fiery"? red dog 1 Jul 2016 #52
A very, very bad sign. RiverNoord Jul 2016 #28
It's a trial balloon Renew Deal Jul 2016 #34
I'll believe it if it happens. Until then, sounds unlikely. yardwork Jul 2016 #30
This makes it seem like she's worried about who trump picks from the military. They're craigmatic Jul 2016 #31
Exactly. forest444 Jul 2016 #45
He was still high kicking and waving sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #32
I would be against that choice. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #33
Sweet Jesus on a Pogo stick - NO and more NO packman Jul 2016 #35
BAD JUDGEMENT. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #36
Was he selected? Was anyone selected? LynneSin Jul 2016 #39
"angry white men and the women that can't think without first consulting their husbands" HughBeaumont Jul 2016 #47
Why? By who? Renew Deal Jul 2016 #54
Interesting. A "neutralizing dangle." sofa king Jul 2016 #37
Nice summary LynneSin Jul 2016 #40
Yep. sofa king Jul 2016 #42
Fishing? I thought you were being vetted LynneSin Jul 2016 #43
No... sofa king Jul 2016 #44
Is this SERIOUS? WE NEED A PROGRESSIVE VP. HughBeaumont Jul 2016 #46
+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #53
What? She's not hawkish enough? lunatica Jul 2016 #49
Choosing an Admiral does absolutely nothing to unite the Democratic Party red dog 1 Jul 2016 #50
Warren's not ready, is needed in the Senate, brings no purple state to the table, and no gender RBInMaine Jul 2016 #55
"Warren's not ready"? red dog 1 Jul 2016 #56
If Hillary wins Sgent Jul 2016 #57
If Hillary loses to Trump because she failed to unite the Democratic Party, red dog 1 Jul 2016 #58
If Warren is Clinton's VP, Harry Reid has a plan to replace her (but not the other Senators) w4rma Jul 2016 #59
Very interesting!! red dog 1 Jul 2016 #61
she is more ready than Hillary was DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #60
Just a bone for the Military Night Watchman Jul 2016 #63
I'm getting sick of this "electing a commander in chief" line in elections Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #64
In fairness... Sand Rat Expat Jul 2016 #69
War has always been more important than diplomacy Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #70
Leak from the GOP trying to slow the migration of Sanders supporters to Clinton hollowdweller Jul 2016 #65
Nope. Screw that shit. Android3.14 Jul 2016 #66
Admiral Who? Hillary is all the hawk I can handle on one ticket. 99th_Monkey Jul 2016 #67
Who am I? Why am I here? JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2016 #71

forest444

(5,902 posts)
51. Worse still, he oversaw the 2011 Libya campaign.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jul 2016

As Supreme Allied Commander of NATO at the time. He had a leading role as well in Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL) as commander of the USS Enterprise, and remains an apologist for the Iraq War itself. He was also a vocal advocate of arming Ukrainian neo-Nazis (the last thing we need!).

Besides alienating much of the Democratic base, picking Stavridis will only intensify debate over Hillary's two weakest points - Libya and Iraq.

It would be a lose-lose for Hillary, and I certainly hope Admiral Stavridis is only being mentioned as a decoy.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
22. I'd have to agree. This guy brings nothing to the table
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jul 2016

I'm assuming Hillary is venting everyone. For all I know you and I are both on the list too.

cstanleytech

(26,299 posts)
48. Well one aspect is its assumed he would have experience with running a large organization
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jul 2016

which the military is and which the presidency and to a lesser extent the vice presidency are as well.
As for this guy himself? I have never heard of him but I assume she is vetting others as well.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
4. If you're a war hawk, I guess you can't go wrong with a general or admiral.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jul 2016

What kind of message would Hillary Clinton be sending with a pick like this?

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
9. Depends on how you look at the election
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jul 2016

The troubling part are the republicans are running a strongman and Hillary will take heat for foreign policy decisions. Hillary might be trying to not get outmuscled.

Also, the election is in many ways about foreign policy. Wars, immigration, refugees, etc.

still_one

(92,255 posts)
5. "according to a person with knowledge of the vetting process." Was this the same person who
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jul 2016

reported in the NYTimes that Iraq had WMDs?

Excuse me while I wait for Hillary's actual announcement, instead of a newspaper whose analysis is about as accurate as a flip of a coin

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
11. His referral to the campaign is the same as everyone else that is being vetted.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

I don't think it's a coincidence that he responded the same way as Booker, Kaine, Beccerra, etc.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
12. These things are usually leaked on purpose to the media
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jul 2016

Trial balloon.

If the public reacts negatively or something pops up in the guys past, the campaign can deny he was ever a serious candidate.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
10. Nice choice as it negates the whole "Trump can protect Americans"
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

I'd love to see who Trump picks as VP debating this guy on National Security, international relations, NATO, Europe, etc.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
13. This "news" concerns me...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State for Christ's sake.
She was in the situation room the night of the most significant military action in the last 10 years the night bin Laden was killed.
She has been in the United States Senate.
She has qualifications that no other candidate has had since John Kerry was swift-boated by lies and smears.

The addition of a military commander to the ticket is a hideously bad idea.

Yukari Yakumo

(3,013 posts)
68. But not
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 02:22 AM
Jul 2016

While she has foreign policy experience in spades, one thing she lacks is military experience. Having a retired Admiral or General, or even a veteran, could go a long ways to shore that up.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
24. I suspect that Hillary is vetting anyone reasonably qualified to be Vice President
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jul 2016

And some of the names being leaked to the press are nothing more than distractions knowing that Trump will soon announce his VP.

Like I said to another poster, for all we know your name and mine could be on the list too. Doesn't mean we're serious candidates, just getting the easy legwork done now so she's can assemble a short list of the real VP candidates after Trump announces his.

Remember Trump has alluded to someone with strong military background on his VP, so leaking this name is a way to nullify the 'excitement' around this.

As far as I am concerned if Trump nominates another White Male to be his VP, regardless of military experience, he can kiss the White House goodbye. Trump has very little appeal to minorities and women; historically low levels. He needs a VP that can reach out to those voters and help boost his numbers.

Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #17)

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
25. This guy is nothing more than a leak and a distraction from any Trump VP news
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jul 2016

I highly doubt he'll get the nomination. Hillary doesn't need someone with foreign experience since she already has years of it from not just being Secretary of State and a US Senator but even from being the First Lady.

Trump announces he's vetting military for his VP so 'leaks' will come out of similar background names. In the end Hillary wants to keep the choice very very vague in hopes that Trump will pick someone very unsuitable. My choice is still with Julian Castro or Tom Perez.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
19. Interesting choice...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jul 2016

With his NATO experience, he'd be good on foreign policy issues, especially in Europe.

I don't really want the VP choice to be a Senator, I'm hoping to flip it and every seat might be critical.

chillfactor

(7,577 posts)
27. I would be very disappointed if....
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jul 2016

he is the VP choice....we need someone on the ticket who is fiery and has name recognition.

red dog 1

(27,821 posts)
52. "fiery"?
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jul 2016

I can't think of any Democrat more "fiery" than the senior United States Senator from Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
28. A very, very bad sign.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jul 2016

Former NATO supreme allied commander? Madness. You need another general when you've got the Joint Chiefs available to you, and can, virtually at will, require opinions of hundreds of generals and admirals?

Ugh.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
31. This makes it seem like she's worried about who trump picks from the military. They're
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jul 2016

already in the chain of command and joint chiefs no need to put them in the civilian chain of command too. I'd rather she pick boring ass Kaine.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
45. Exactly.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jul 2016

Plus, this is no way to unify the party. Picking the head of the Libya invasion and an unreconstructed Iraq War apologist as running mate only intensifies the debate over two of Hillary's weakest points (Libya and Iraq) and is likely to alienate a lot more people than it draws to her.

Don't do it, Madam Secretary!

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
35. Sweet Jesus on a Pogo stick - NO and more NO
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

Nothing against the military, but is this the type of person we as both Americans facing what the future may bring and as progressive Demo's need. Get a person whose feet is grounded in the everyday woes, troubles, and problems we all face. What happened to Elizabeth Warren?

Damn, what a terrible mistake if she selects him.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
39. Was he selected? Was anyone selected?
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jul 2016

Mind you they are vetting just about anyone with a pulse. You and I could be on that list.

Right now it's a chess game. Anytime Trump gets headlines about who he is vetting you can bet that names will be 'leaked' by 'sources within the Clinton Campaign' about someone very similar being vetted by the Clinton campaign.

Trump is in desperate need to find someone to help attract voters outside his core group,which seems to be angry white men and the women that can't think without first consulting their husbands.

This name was nothing more than a 'leak' to counter Trump's comments about a VP with military background and nothing more. Same thing happens with every presidential race right before the convention. When Obama finally announced Biden, McCain went for a woman (mind you not a very smart one). Also since Obama went with a VP in a state that was solidly blue, McCain did not have to worry about trying to pull a state over his way (had Obama gone for a swing-state VP, McCain would have tried to do the same).

These leaks are nothing more than fodder for news cycles. Try not to worry about it until the final name is called.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
47. "angry white men and the women that can't think without first consulting their husbands"
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jul 2016

Truth.

And a scary one.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
37. Interesting. A "neutralizing dangle."
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jul 2016

This is the time of year when both campaigns are trying hard to throw reporters off the path, so that the impact of the running mate's announcement is maximized. It's called a "dangle."

Here, however, I detect a clever double-move on the part of the Clinton camp.

Trump is a terrible candidate in every way and often, especially when the candidate is a cowardly and ignorant chickenhawk, handlers try to bolster the ticket with a strong military figure. W had former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney; Nixon got Bronze Star winner Spiro Agnew; Perot chose Admiral Stockdale, and so on.

Trump desperately needs someone who knows a thing or two about defense, since he clearly does not know anything at all about it. No brass, no ass.

Mrs. Clinton herself needs no such assistance. Her record as Secretary of State stands on its own. But she has a chance to further erode Trump's support by also appearing receptive to the idea of a defense-specialist running-mate.

So in this case, Mrs. Clinton almost certainly IS NOT considering Admiral Stavridis as her primary choice. Instead, this leak is almost certainly designed to neutralize Trump-camp leaks about former DIA chief General Michael Flynn. The Clinton-camp disclosure keeps the press chasing its tail for a day or two and also reduces any potential gain the Trump people might get for putting Flynn on the ticket.

One might further make some guesses about the overall competence of the Trump campaign's management, and Flynn's sudden and public reversal on being pro-choice, and suspect that perhaps Flynn in fact IS Trump's choice for running mate. In that case the Clinton campaign's leak is potentially even more effective, providing the press with the hypothetical matchups they so dearly love going through the upcoming Cleveland convention disaster, while also preserving the secrecy of their actual choice.

Pretty cool, if that's the case. We'll know for sure in only a few weeks.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
42. Yep.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jul 2016

It pays to be deeply cynical this time of year, and patient, doesn't it? You and I skipped a whole week's worth of outrage, thanks to hard prior experience.

Think I'll go fishing....

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
46. Is this SERIOUS? WE NEED A PROGRESSIVE VP.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jul 2016

COME on. Enough "Peace through Strength" guys! Boomers and Xers aren't inheriting this Earth. War is not the answer.

red dog 1

(27,821 posts)
50. Choosing an Admiral does absolutely nothing to unite the Democratic Party
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:58 PM
Jul 2016

Currently, the Democratic Party is split in two.
- The "center-right", which supported Hillary over Bernie Sanders
- The "center-left" which supported Bernie Sanders over Hilary

IMO. to assure victory over Donald Trump, Secretary Clinton needs to choose someone who will "balance" out the ticket.

Choosing an Admiral will NOT "unite the party".

Choosing someone like Elizabeth Warren WILL "unite the party"

A divided Democratic Party will likely ensure a Republican victory in November, and you know what that means.
(Can you say "President Trump" without gagging?)

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
55. Warren's not ready, is needed in the Senate, brings no purple state to the table, and no gender
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jul 2016

balance.

red dog 1

(27,821 posts)
56. "Warren's not ready"?
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jul 2016

So, an Admiral is "ready" but the senior Senator from Massachusetts is "not ready"?

Warren "is needed in the Senate"
For what?
To lead filibusters against President Trump's legislative agenda?

Warren "brings no purple state to the table"?
So, you're saying that HRC MUST pick someone from a purple state in order to defeat DT?

"No gender balance"?
Trump might well choose a woman to run with him, because he knows that he does poorly with woman.
IMO, it's TRUMP who needs "gender balance" not Hillary.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
57. If Hillary wins
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jul 2016

with Warren as her VP, Warren's seat becomes a Republican one (Republican governor). If Hillary wins we may very well need that vote to confirm Supreme Court justices we like, etc.

red dog 1

(27,821 posts)
58. If Hillary loses to Trump because she failed to unite the Democratic Party,
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jul 2016

what value does one more seat in the Senate have?

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
59. If Warren is Clinton's VP, Harry Reid has a plan to replace her (but not the other Senators)
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jul 2016

However, Reid and his advisors have found an awkward work around: Warren can file an intent-to-resign letter 145 days prior to a January 20th inauguration date, which would block Baker from making an appointment as Warren would still be in office. However, in this scenario, if a Clinton-Warren ticket were to lose in November, Warren would have to rescind her resignation and run for what would then be an open seat.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/if-warren-is-clintons-vp-harry-reid-has-a-plan-to-replace-her/

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
60. she is more ready than Hillary was
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 06:17 PM
Jul 2016

after her term as senator. Seriously, Hillary knows she needs to offer something to the left, especially as Sanders just did the falling on his sword that so many demanded.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
64. I'm getting sick of this "electing a commander in chief" line in elections
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jul 2016

What are we, a miliary dictatorship? I'm electing a President. Commander in Chief is just one of the president's jobs.

Why can't we say we're electing:

01: A chief of state?
02: A chief diplomat?
03: A chief executor?

Why does the commander in chief title get thrown around so much? I'll tell you.

To regiment people into thinking military and security forces are the most important thing in the world and to prepare for the absolute ripping up of the Constitution and getting to an end game: A purely fascist military and MIC controlled government.

And for those who don't know, google the political theory of fascist before you flame me for using the term. The way government, big business and industry are building a hegemony, fascism is the best political theory to back it up.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
69. In fairness...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 02:52 AM
Jul 2016

The "commander in chief" hat is arguably one of the most important responsibilities of being the President, given that the choice to engage in military action is one of the most momentous decisions a President is likely to make.

Also in fairness, the "commander in chief" hat has been an integral part of the Presidency as long as there's been a Presidency. It's not as if it was a term or title that was ginned up in the last 50 years or something.

Your points about the MIC and creeping fascism are well taken, but in regards to the commander in chief thing in particular, I just don't see any "there" there.

Not flaming, just thinking you're way overstating the matter.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
70. War has always been more important than diplomacy
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:37 AM
Jul 2016

We've only had a good 20 years or so in our history when we weren't firing bullets at someone. Hell, we got into our first "war" with the Quasi War against France under John Adams.

I'd rather elect a diplomat than a warrior, but the fact that job title is so important only reinforces the idea that we are being regimented into security force worshiping and creeping fascism.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
65. Leak from the GOP trying to slow the migration of Sanders supporters to Clinton
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jul 2016


Clinton knows the direction of the party and surely knows somebody like this would depress turnout.

My guess is it's a leak from the opposition.
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
67. Admiral Who? Hillary is all the hawk I can handle on one ticket.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jul 2016

absolutely horrible idea. horribly misguided and ill-conceived.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,354 posts)
71. Who am I? Why am I here?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:40 AM
Jul 2016

I hope this Admiral Stavridis does better than Admiral Stockdale, H.Ross Perot's running mate.

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