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MindMover

(5,016 posts)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:53 PM Jun 2012

Obamacare Ruling Put Off Until Thursday

Source: Medpage

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court did not issue a decision on the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) on Monday. The fate of the landmark law will not be known until the court's final session on Thursday.

Reporters and court-watchers waited on pins and needles for the ACA decision on Monday morning, but the court issued other rulings instead.

Technically, the court could put off the decision until next term, but experts say that is very unlikely.

On Thursday, the court could rule in one of three ways concerning the individual mandate, which requires everyone to have health insurance:

Read more: http://www.medpagetoday.com/Washington-Watch/Reform/33457

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Obamacare Ruling Put Off Until Thursday (Original Post) MindMover Jun 2012 OP
I'd wait until the last possible minute too sharp_stick Jun 2012 #1
Off to Cheney's "Undisclosed Location" no doubt. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #2
Hire some Pinkertons...eom Kolesar Jun 2012 #6
Yep! Surprise, surprise goclark Jun 2012 #7
Seemed like MSM was pushing for a decision today Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #3
Why get it wrong next term when you can fuck it up now? BeyondGeography Jun 2012 #4
If they can't rule it constitutional as is cosmicone Jun 2012 #5
I don't think they are going to do that.. sendero Jun 2012 #15
Either way, Our side gets a really big club to swing at the idiot GOP'ers... Volaris Jun 2012 #20
And will, y'know, make such measures unconstitutional for decades. Posteritatis Jun 2012 #22
Wait until Thursday to vote, let the media Arctic Dave Jun 2012 #8
and I'm certain that Obama magical thyme Jun 2012 #9
There is No Plan B. No Plan B is Possible AndyTiedye Jun 2012 #10
B.S. No sooner had I written my above post, and an article about Plan B was posted magical thyme Jun 2012 #11
I Would be Delighted to be Proven Wrong in This AndyTiedye Jun 2012 #12
there is always something you can do magical thyme Jun 2012 #16
one of his Plan B's should be Medicare for all wordpix Jun 2012 #17
that would be nice, but I doubt he'd go that far....at this point in time magical thyme Jun 2012 #21
They know the media and others have vacation plans next week. itsrobert Jun 2012 #13
5 nutjobs control the fate of millions. What democracy...we don't need no stinkin' democracy! gtar100 Jun 2012 #14
+1 wordpix Jun 2012 #18
Just as an aside clang1 Jun 2012 #19
One day for outrage is all this fake court can afford. truthisfreedom Jun 2012 #23

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
1. I'd wait until the last possible minute too
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:57 PM
Jun 2012

that way they can get the hell out of town before the shit really hits the fan.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
7. Yep! Surprise, surprise
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:03 PM
Jun 2012

There is a special place in hell for all of the "NO' voters

Why am I feeling that the answer will be "NO."

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
3. Seemed like MSM was pushing for a decision today
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:16 PM
Jun 2012

Listening to the media this morning you would have thought the decision was coming any moment. I figure they wanted the whole week to bash Obama if it was ruled unconstitutional.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
5. If they can't rule it constitutional as is
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jun 2012

my second choice is that they throw out everything including the popular parts of the law such as pre-existing conditions.

That will be politically very helpful.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
15. I don't think they are going to do that..
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:06 AM
Jun 2012

.... why be accused of overreaching when killing the mandate WILL kill the rest of it. It will just take a little longer.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
20. Either way, Our side gets a really big club to swing at the idiot GOP'ers...
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:28 AM
Jun 2012

Individual Mandate=Conservative Solution=UNConstitutional
Single Payer=Liberal Solution=ABSOLUTELY Constitutional (the SCOTUS already said so)

Too bad Dem's don't bother with things like co-ordinated messaging or talking points. On that sad note, I want Howard Dean running the DNC again....

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
22. And will, y'know, make such measures unconstitutional for decades.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:23 AM
Jun 2012

Destroying the good parts of a necessary piece of legislation, in that absolute and irrevocable a manner, for the sake of a few votes in the next election is pretty short-sighted even by the standards of American politics.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
8. Wait until Thursday to vote, let the media
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:13 PM
Jun 2012

beat it to death Friday and then allow it to be a rerun all weekend.

PR 101

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
9. and I'm certain that Obama
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:37 PM
Jun 2012

has at least 2 plan Bs sitting in his pocket, waiting to roll out. I know I would.

"On Thursday, the court could rule in one of three ways concerning the individual mandate,"


AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
10. There is No Plan B. No Plan B is Possible
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:39 PM
Jun 2012

If the ACA is struck down we will be at the mercy of the insurance companies for at least another 20 years.
It will be all we can do to save Medicare.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
11. B.S. No sooner had I written my above post, and an article about Plan B was posted
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 08:23 PM
Jun 2012

According to Valerie Jarrett, there is an Executive Order in the offing. But then, what would she know, right?

Here it is. Read it and weep:

http://wonkwire.com/2012/06/25/white-house-prepared-if-health-law-is-overturned/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002853452

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
12. I Would be Delighted to be Proven Wrong in This
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:56 PM
Jun 2012

I can't imagine what sort of executive order Obama could issue on this that would not also be overturned by the Supremes.
The article you posted doesn't say much.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
16. there is always something you can do
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:44 AM
Jun 2012

The Supreme Court didn't overturn his immigration action, and their decision this week supports it. And I don't expect Obama to play his hand until the time is right.

There may be a way that an executive order or some other little used / little known mechanism would enable him to change the rules on Medicare enrollment. (That's why I'm hoping for, myself, as an incremental step towards single payer.) Unless you are a constitutional and government scholar with massive research resources at your fingertips, the odds are there is far more that you don't know about what he can do, than that you do know.

Who knows? But the things we do know are that 1. there is always something you can do, 2. Obama has shown in recent weeks he's not going to roll up into a ball and die, and 3. he's not wasting time on the "bully pulpit" that the media is always crowing about.

#3 is a particularly important thing because 1. we know the media likes to just ignore him or look for ways to dismiss or diminish him, and 2. action speaks far, far louder than words. The media can't ignore his actions, and 3. this gives him a huge advantage over Mittens' millions and billions of Citizens United donations.

Mittens can spend a fortune advertising. But Obama can still overwhelm and dominate him, and totally define him through *action.* He's already put Mittens on the defensive on gay rights and immigration. I expect him to now keep Mittens on the defensive by repeated, key actions up to and through the elections. I think he has finally had ENOUGH.

Keeping your powder dry pays off *if* you let it fly at the right time. And for Obama and our country, there is no time like the present.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
17. one of his Plan B's should be Medicare for all
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:15 AM
Jun 2012

in which case, individuals must pay in to get the benefits. It's taken out of your paycheck or in the case of business owners, taxed for that purpose.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
21. that would be nice, but I doubt he'd go that far....at this point in time
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:17 AM
Jun 2012

Incremental, as slow and painful as it is, is a safer route for the overall economy.

Medicare for all, in one fell swoop, would be totally disruptive to the current system and would increase unemployment temporarily right when he needs it to drop. But phasing it in gives the insurance industry time to adjust, and companies that are paying for group insurance time to adjust, etc.

Maybe some combination of buy-in Medicare for those rejected by insurance companies and lowering the eligibility age to buy-in, or something on those lines.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
13. They know the media and others have vacation plans next week.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:20 PM
Jun 2012

They are trying to minimize the backlash.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
14. 5 nutjobs control the fate of millions. What democracy...we don't need no stinkin' democracy!
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:07 AM
Jun 2012

All 5 of them are unfit to hold the office they are in. The worst of the 5 - Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito - are truly demented. I'm sure they deserve whatever karma comes their way. Maybe karma's a fairytale but to spend this short time on earth making miserable the lives of so many others sure seems a bad way to etch your existence in eternity.

 

clang1

(884 posts)
19. Just as an aside
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:23 AM
Jun 2012

the Democrats should have NEVER allowed health care reform to be label 'Obamacare'. More of the the theater of the abusrd from the other side and it seems we let it happen. So now just because of this people are polarized even more so, and the real issues never even get discussed amongst many people that might have otherwise been open to discussion. It's sad. People are being played like tools against each other and its bullshit. You've got Democrats calling Liberals and Progressives idiots, and the right calling us all idiots. It makes no sense to me and it if weren't for shit like this label, perhaps less people on the right would be calling us idiots. This is a fact.

In NO other country in the ENTIRE World do people not want universal healthcare. NOWHERE. Yet why here? As I said before it is not American exceptionalism that is the reason, nor are we all greedy bastards. People are not educated is the problem, common sense is gone and that is a problem. The entire World see's it, and some laugh about it even.

truthisfreedom

(23,148 posts)
23. One day for outrage is all this fake court can afford.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:05 AM
Jun 2012

Then comes the friday to which their subjects must yield.

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