Kiev Calls For Boycott of Russian Museums Exhibiting Crimean Art
Source: Artnet
Moscow is accused of illegally exporting art from Crimea.
Ukraines culture ministry has called for an international boycott of Russian museums showing works from Crimean collections.
According to the Austrian daily Der Standard, the call was triggered by a major retrospective on the Crimean-born painter Ivan Aivazovsky at Moscows State Tretyakov Galleryslated to open on July 29and illustrates the residual tensions between Russia and Ukraine following Moscows annexation of Crimea in 2014.
Kievwhich doesnt recognize Russias illegal annexation of its territoryis lamenting that 38 of the 150 works included in the exhibition were illegally exported without permission. It views the Crimean art collections as part of its cultural holdings, and under Ukrainian law cultural loans are subject to state authorization.
On the other hand the Russian culture ministry cited a law passed in February 2015 under which Crimeas art collections became part of the cultural holdings of the Russian Federation, which stands in direct contradiction to Ukrainian law.
Read more: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/ukraine-russia-art-boycott-563321
Fascist occupiers always loot the art of the places they've invaded. It will probably end up in the "private collections" of Putin's cronies.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)There is not a chance in hell they will return crimean art.
uawchild
(2,208 posts)"Although the looting of "cultural heritage" of the German people and private collectors was not permitted in the agreement of Yalta 1945, following the defeat of Germany by the allied forces the following goods disappeared: 3 truck loads of precious art, which was listed in a confiscated list by the US-forces (in the mine Merker in Thuringia); 1 trainload of 20 wagons loaded with artwork and jewels from Hungary (named the "gold train" [citation needed]. According to an article in "Der Spiegel"[citation needed] from 2001 the artwork is suspected in the US and has never been officially declared. The lost artworks from the "Grube Merker," about 450 pictures, are not found in any museum and thought to have been sold privately[citation needed].
An attempt by the US to confiscate more German precious art by requesting 202 precious pictures to be taken was prevented by Walter Farmer on 6 Nov 1945, an art protection officer in Wiesbaden leading the central art collection store[citation needed]. Although against his direct orders from the USA, he assembled 24 colleagues from Germany and Austria and successfully prevented the removal of the pictures (named as operation "Westward Ho" .[1]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_theft_and_looting_during_World_War_II
And honestly, the art wasn't looted from Germany, it was looted from NAZI Germany, not that that makes it right for either Russia or the US.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)During Thanksgiving, when my family and I are discussing Thanksgiving and its traditions, there's always the more-clever-than-thou half-wit who chimes in with the irrelevance of "do you even realize that Easter is a holiday as well?"
Well, sure we're aware of that. But sometimes when speaking of Thanksgiving traditions, we are discussing, well... Thanksgiving traditions. Though certainly one could begin a new conversations elsewhere about Easter, so it's irrelevancy to Thanksgiving is not perceived merely as another petulant tantrum.
uawchild
(2,208 posts)Sorry for providing context to the selective outrage. Sorry. lol
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Not the best rationalization I've read this morning. Try again, maybe?
uawchild
(2,208 posts)That's your come back? You even dropped your trademark verbous wordsmithing, why?
At a loss, perhaps, for a cogent counter argument to mine that The US looting art during WWII is as applicable to the conversation as the poster before stating Russia looted art during WWII?
Oops! There I go again, restoring context to the discussion. Why, it almost seems you are trying to obscure the actual subject being discussed.
uawchild
(2,208 posts)You did not bother to quote this part of the OP article:
"Although the State Tretyakov Gallery insisted that all loaned works would be returned to Crimean institutions after the end of the exhibition in November 2016, a resolution to the conflict is not in sight."
Sigh. So when you make ranting comments like this:
"Fascist occupiers always loot the art of the places they've invaded. It will probably end up in the "private collections" of Putin's cronies."
how can I not feel that you are once again simply being a Russophobe that looks for ANY post that would give you the slightest opportunity to, essentially, just rant about Putin and Russia?
uhnope
(6,419 posts)let's take your post and change a few words:
how can I not feel that you are once again simply being a Putinphile that looks for ANY post that would give you the slightest opportunity to, essentially, just support and defend the fascism of Putin in Russia?
uawchild
(2,208 posts)Thank you for demonstrating your ability to "change words" and evade the actual point at hand.
The op article STATED that Russian government said the art objects are on loan and would be returned by November 2016.
That's from YOUR article. You just didn't bother to quote THAT for some reason, so I did. Here it is AGAIN:
"Although the State Tretyakov Gallery insisted that all loaned works would be returned to Crimean institutions after the end of the exhibition in November 2016, a resolution to the conflict is not in sight."
And what was your seemingly Russophobic rant again about this artwork exhibition? It was this:
"Fascist occupiers always loot the art of the places they've invaded. It will probably end up in the "private collections" of Putin's cronies."
I stand by my assessment of your seeming desire to turn as many posts as possible into rants about Putin and Russia.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)No more and no less that your seeming desire to defend Putin and Russia. Six of one, half a dozen of the other (space provided free of charge below to insert distinction lacking difference to better maintain pretense...)
Ukraine to this day, doesnt have any internationally defined and recognized borders. What they call the borders was given to them in 1954 by Comrade Khrushchev (Ukrainian descent) as part of the SOVIET UNION in violation of the national aspirations of the population residing in these areas.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)You must understand, that rivers unit people, mountains separate people, and from Northern Germany to the Pacific you have no mountains. You have the Carpathian mountains separate the Danube from the above plain and also the Czech Republic and Hungary from the above plain. You have the Ural Mountains that separate Europe from Asia, but those mountains ends while north of the Caspian Sea, so you have a huge steppe between the Ural Mountains and the Caspian sea. Iran has mountains, foothills of the Himalayas, as does Tibet and China, but Manchuria, Mongolia and Xinjiang do NOT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolia
Thus once you enter the North German Plain and stay north of the above mountains (and south of the Urals), you are in one huge flat land. In this flat terrain, you find out that people tend to form "Nations" around rivers. The Elbe and Oder defines Northern Germany, the Vistula, Poland, the Dnieper the Ukraine and the Volga Russia. The Don is so close to the Volga it is part of Russia. The Ural became part of Russia under Catherine the Great (and who also took over the Ukraine and the Crimea) from the Ottoman Empire (which only appears to have nominal sovereignty over the area at that time, as the local Tartars were looking for any help to prevent a Russian take over as the Russian peasants moved into previous pasture land of those Tartars AND Catherine decided that slave raids from those Tartars into Russia would NO longer be permitted).
Side Note:Since the time of Genghis Khan, the area of Manchuria to Russia had been under the rule of one ruler. After the break up of the Mongol Empire, by nominal leadership of Kublai Khan and his successors, then under the nominal leadership of the Ming dynasty, then Timerlane and his successors, then the Golden Horde as it finally decided to no longer recognize such nominal rulers. Then the Russian Empire as it took over the Golden Horde (and the Horde reduced to its Crimea base). White became the color of Russia for White was the Chinese/Mongolian Color for the west. As Russia first moved into the Forests of Siberia starting at the time of Ivan the Terrible (And his defeat of the Golden Horde) Russia quickly took over most of the old Mongolian Empire for unlike the Mongols the Russians were farmers and thus could produce and support a huge army. The Golden Horde and the Mongols (and the Tartars) had always been herders and as such very tough fighters but always small in numbers compared to farmers.
Thus from the 1200s onward, Russia moved Eastward and Southward AND also Westward for till you get to a sea or mountains you have no firm border. The Prypiat Swamps of Belarus do act as a border, but varies depending on how deep one wants to claim into those swamps.
The Dniester River flows from the highlands that separate the Ukraine from Romania and it is the highlands that separate those two nations not the Dniester. The Carpathian mountains separate the Danube from the above plain and also the Czech Republic and Hungary from the above plain. Belarus is separated from Russia, Poland and the Ukraine for it is located in the Prypiat marshes., the single largest set of marshes in Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pripyat_River
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinsk_Marshes
The various nationalities located on the above plains formed up along the rivers, for that was and remain the main form of transporting goods on that plain. This also lead to those nationalities overlapping as each river's drainage system overlapped each other. Thus any border between these nations will always be arbitrary, some line drawn in the dirt, like the border of Indiana and Ohio. NOT a "Real Border" but as line drawn in the dirt or on a map.
In the Ukraine this includes both its eastern and western borders, You have overlap of Poles and Ukrainians in the West, and Russians and Ukrainians in the East unless you move the border so close to the Dnieper that you exclude MOST Ukrainians. Thus the Ukrainians Easter border will always be in an area with Ukrainians and Russians will live on both sides of the border, the issue is where to drawn the line and right now it appears the people who live in the Don River Drainage Area what to live in Russia, but since that include Kharkov, the Ukraine objects to that division.
Like the border between Ohio and Indiana a border will have to be drawn, dividing wheat fields in half. The issue is where.
Please note the Eastern Ukraine is also a Rich Coal Mining Area. The Coal "Patches" tend to be Russian Speaking for speaking one language is a safety issue in any mine, thus both Russians and Ukrainians working in those mines get use to speaking Russian. The Farmers in the Eastern Ukraine tend to Ukrainian and Speak Ukrainian. In the Urban Areas, Russian tend to dominate, but not as much as in the Coal Patches. The divisions in the Eastern Ukraine appears to be more language driven then ethnic driven, Ukrainians who speak Russians support joining Russia for example, while Ukrainians who speak Ukraine tend to want to stay in the Ukraine. You see this in Kharkov and even Odessa (The port of the Ukraine where the Dniester enters the Black Sea), through both areas are right now under the control of Kiev so the Russian Speakers are suppressed in both areas.
Yes, the more you study the Ukraine, the more you see the best solution may be Putin's proposal for a federated republic for the Ukraine, thus protecting the rights of the Ukrainians and Russian speakers inside the Ukraine.