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Eugene

(61,939 posts)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:20 PM Jul 2016

Judge refuses to free Oregon standoff leaders before trial

Source: Reuters

A federal judge on Tuesday rejected a petition by two brothers who led the armed occupation of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon to be freed ahead of their trial, citing in part what he said was an aborted jailbreak attempt by one of them.

Ammon and Ryan Bundy, who spent a month in January holed up at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon to protest federal land control in the West, sought their release from custody during a hearing in U.S. District Court in Portland on Monday ahead of their September trial.

In rejecting that request in a three-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Robert Jones said he could not overlook their participation in the standoff with a large arsenal of weapons and their belief that "placing an armed force between officials seeking to enforce lawful orders and themselves is justified by their interpretation of the Constitution."

Both men are charged with conspiracy to use force, intimidation or threats to impede federal officers from discharging their duties.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-idUSKCN0ZZ2NL



World | Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:09pm EDT
BY DAN WHITCOMB

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chillfactor

(7,581 posts)
1. good for the judge...
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jul 2016

I think these idiots would flee if they got the chance and I think the judge is very aware of that possibility.

tblue37

(65,483 posts)
16. The reason it took so long for the feds to take ol' Clive into custody after the
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jul 2016

Bundy ranch standoff was that he never went anywhere without armed bodyguards afterward. They had to trick him into flying to Oregon to see his sons after they were arrested. That way they were able to nab him as he got off the plane, unarmed for the first time, since he couldn't take his guns onto the plane.

The judge knows perfectly well that if any of the Bundys are ever allowed out of jail, they will immediately hole up somewhere with an inexhaustible supply of guns and ammunition, as well as an army of idiot militia types of the same sort that joined them at the ranch and at Malheur.

Mendocino

(7,504 posts)
3. They are the epitome of flight risk.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jul 2016

Let them out and they would disappear into the shadowy underground/prepper/sovereign citizen world.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
18. Not a flight risk. A Ruby Ridge risk.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jul 2016

Holed up with the guns and daring the government to come get them.

Mendocino

(7,504 posts)
19. Ultimately maybe,
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jul 2016

but I think they would go underground first. They would fall in with fellow travelers, gather resources and funds.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
4. If they were let out the would head straight to the Bundy Ranch with an armed camp of militias
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jul 2016

and refuse to return to court to stand trial

On one thing they have been very clear and consist ant, they do not recognize legal authority and refuse to abide by the law

Same goes for sentencing if they are found guilty They will not obey provisions for parole such as mandatory reporting or supervision and they will not give up guns or the use of armed confrontation to get their way

Red Mountain

(1,737 posts)
5. Some folks just don't get.....
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jul 2016

that free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want and people aren't allowed to judge you based on the content of that speech.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
8. I keep thinking about the asshole on the bridge
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jul 2016

taking aim at BLM and law enforcement.

I still wish we would have strafed the snipers.

They deserve shit!

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
9. He should have been shot.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jul 2016

And were he a person of color his relatives would be putting flowers on his grave. If you doubt that you are in denial.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
12. Hell there are those who would mow down 100 innocent civilians...
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jul 2016

...just to get the one criminal in the area if he or she is a non-white.

Eugene

(61,939 posts)
10. Nope. That would have made him a martyr.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jul 2016

The Bundy sniper on the bridge is now in solitary
facing 100+ years behind bars.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
11. I love a happy ending!
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jul 2016

Probably wasn't for the bridge episode, was it?

Now put daddy and his gang away for a long time!

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
14. If he was aiming a loaded rifle
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jul 2016

at law enforcement officers, or worse, an unarmed BLM(boy, this is weird) employee, then anyone else would be shot.

Do not mistake me, I am opposed to the death penalty.

And if he was not arrested, or shot, because no LEO were there at the time then I am loving the 100 years behind bars.

turbinetree

(24,713 posts)
15. These hypocrites
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jul 2016

are living there dream of Manifest Destiny and the Doctrine of Discovery, not only are they racists sitting in a jail, but they have no conscience when it comes to laws in this country, and if this twit Ryan Bundy was planning a jail break, that will be another charge and five more years added to whatever ever happens to this right wing militia hypocrite------------rot in jail, you desecrated Indigenous people land jerk

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