Obama: Trump's Claims About Rising Crime Rates Don't 'Jive With The Facts'
Source: Talking Points Memo
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During his speech, Trump argued that crime rates in the United States have increased under Obama's tenure, saying that "decades of progress made in bringing down crime are now being reversed by this administrations rollback of criminal enforcement."
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Asked by Fox News' Kevin Corke for a reaction to Trump's comments, Obama said that the GOP nominee's fear-mongering claims "just don't jive with the facts. When it comes to crime, the violent crime rate in America has been lowered during my presidency and any time in the last three, four decades," Obama went on. "The fact of the matter is that the murder rate today, the violence rate today, is far lower than it was when Ronald Reagan was president, and lower than when I took office."
He referenced recent shootings in Baton Rouge, Louisiana and Minnesota, as well as the fatal shooting of five law enforcement officers in Dallas.
"We've just gone through a tragic period," Obama acknowledged. "But the fact is that the rate of intentional killings of police officers is also significantly lower than it was when Ronald Reagan was president. Now those are facts. That's data."
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Qutzupalotl
(14,334 posts)jayschool
(180 posts)Thank you, Q. Thank you.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)talk@talkingpointsmemo.com
Qutzupalotl
(14,334 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)but rather, a Reuters error and quite a few sites just went along with it:
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/22/12257840/obama-reaction-trump-rnc-speech
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/obama-fears-expressed-at-republican-convention-dont-jive-with-the-facts/
On edit: Vox has corrected the error
malthaussen
(17,217 posts)Is the author doing a transcript from a taped statement?
And quite ironically, "jive" is exactly what Mr Trump is selling.
-- Mal
DoBotherMe
(2,340 posts)This time from Reuters news writers. The institutional racism is insidious and embedded in our collective sub-conscious.
malthaussen
(17,217 posts)Why would a British wire service have a vested interest in perpetuating American racism?
-- Mal
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)malthaussen
(17,217 posts)But it is a bit of a reach to think that misquoting the US President would serve racism in Britain. And Reuters does have a reputation of being a reasonably fair and accurate source. But of course, "mishearing" has the obvious problem that any reasonably literate reporter should know that "jive" is not the appropriate word, there. This assumes that the transcriptionist is reasonably literate, however, which is not a given any more, and editing is just about a lost art.
-- Mal
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)malthaussen
(17,217 posts)I wouldn't be surprised at all if it came down to a half-educated intern just hurrying out copy to beat the other wire services.
-- Mal
forest444
(5,902 posts)They perpetuate right-wing talking points - including racist ones - everywhere they can.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110839077
47of74
(18,470 posts)Of course to hear the local conservatives describe the town where I live it's lawless with crime out of control. Local reasonable people keep pointing out that the numbers show the decrease in violent crime but they never listen.
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)Gibe is a now rare term meaning to tease. Jibe means to agree, but is usually used negatively, as in the alibis of the two crooks didnt jibe. The latter word is often confused with jive, which derives from slang which originally meant to treat in a jazzy manner (Jivin the Blues Away) but also came to be associated with deception (Dont give me any of that jive).
[link:http://www.beedictionary.com/common-errors/gibe_vs_jibe_vs_jive|
FigTree
(347 posts)This is a wrong attack angle.
One's impressions or immediate perceptions have been systematically and purposefully endowed with the legitimacy previously held by facts, as rather clearly explicated by Pig Rove in his "we create our own reality" confession. I call this a confession because I doubt he has ever read Marx.
So one can align as many facts as humanly possible and still leave believers completely unphased, while even weakening the penetration of one's argument in the process.
malthaussen
(17,217 posts)The question is whether this reminder of the facts is directed to the opposite camp, or to the remaining uncommitted. I would say it is bootless to hope to sway the members of the other camp by any means, but the question of what the best way to influence the uncommitted is an open one. Arguably, if the emotional and ideological approach were the most efficient means, the uncommitted would have already gravitated to one camp or the other. It is, however, difficult to imagine how anyone with two brain cells to rub together could be undecided in relation to the suitability of Mr Trump for the office of President.
-- Mal
Use of the word to "facts" is the culprit, I think. Saying something like: "US Crime rate has consistently declined since 1994" should be more effective. It's also harder to reject because the period contains 2 republican administrations.
marybourg
(12,637 posts)I particularly noticed because so many people get that wrong.
ansible
(1,718 posts)malthaussen
(17,217 posts)When you link two things that way, there's an implication of causality. I'd recommend making it clear when you consider developments to be parallel, and when you consider them to be linked.
-- Mal