Jeez...

Oh, boy. The ROFL smilie. Ever-symbolic of not having a real argument.

even though we've been sidelined since 1969.

Ya think we'd be talking Civil rights or healthcare now without "ORDINARY"/non-ULTRA-liberals?

As a black man that grew up thru the 60's/70's, we have grown leaps in bounds IMO... On all SOCIAL issues..

There are just some ho want it all NOW.. Not happening..

Pardon me if I care more about my finances then wedge issues at this point.

a wedge issue?

The destruction of our planet (fossil fuel) and more trickle down economics, and above all else campaign finance reform more important than wedge issues.

Equality? Really? This isn't the 60's...lol

and people are still fighting for equality. Your dismissal of that is noted

The only real inequality is income, which has been severely impacted by trickle down economics.

A baby step to the left and everybody loses their minds!

moderate to liberal is now referred to as the far left (ultra liberal). The left didn't move more to the left, the right moved more to the right. Very clever tactic of the republican spin doctors.

and I'm not an ULTRA-Liberal.

to start dividing Democrats into categories and being dismissive of those who aren't happy with the VP choice.

I'm sure I will grow to like Kaine, but I really wanted to see the excitement and energy that would come with a pick like Warren. I thought it would bring the party together, though the disaster that is Trump is very likely do that. It just won't be nearly as inspiring.

I can live with Kaine. I may not agree with him on his financial views, but he's right on target with civil rights, and he is on the NRA'S ass 24/7.

n/t

nuh uh. she picked someone from the DNC? impossible.

Get onboard and stop this Trump "kerfunkle"

I was referring to what I tell my daughters when they argue things they dont know about

Play nice with the community.

their talking points and marching orders...

DNC Chairs, history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee

Who was the chair from 09-11?

I feel pretty good about it. Kain will help Hilz win Va and maybe make more moderate types feel safe voting for Clinton.

know.

The VP does not set the agenda. The president does.

So according to you unless she picks a VP whose history is totally aligned with the platform she is double dealing? Laughable.

He is a good man and a great Democrat. And has done more for the party than almost any other democrat.

And leaving Brown and Warren in the Senate she has assured that once we take the Senate back it pushes to the left.

Yeah Tim Kaine is like Sarah Palin.

Kaine's Senate seat will remain solid blue.

He'll make a fine vp. Biden set the standard for vp and I think Kaine will be in that category.

Biden didn't. Unless you thought he was going to be Cheney.

He might not be my first choice, but when I read his resume today
I said, you know, this man has a storied background we can understand

They've looked at it from all sides, they believe they can win with it,
it's good enough for me

Clinton-Kaine '16!!!

n/t

I am sure we will see a lot more comments just like this one, from those who were never going to voter for her anyway.

I guess it was inevitable.

when Obama picked him. I think personally its a good choice but some people wanted someone that would excite progressives. This is not a thrill ride people.

Not looking for a "thrill ride" but I was hoping for someone that was not working with republicans to subvert consumer protections and ease banking regulations on large banks and wasn't in support of TPP.

I'm not arguing against him as a pick, I see several advantages, I just hope Clinton tempers his efforts and he thinks more of the middle class and poor before he acts.

their backpacks, sandals, and high tail it to Jill Stein or Trump HQ.

Yes, he said that.

I was laughing as if at someone who was peddling sour grapes.

Real progressives, Democrats, and Liberals have more sense than that.

I was and am a proud Bernie Sanders supporter. I voted for him in the primary. I phone banked for him, I worked GOTV for him. And I said from the very first that as a Bernie supporter I would vote for the Democratic nominee and every other Democrat running for office on the ballot I was handed come election day. Just because my candidate didn't win doesn't mean I'm sitting out the election, voting for Trump, or Libertarian, or anything else. This is a democracy. I can support a candidate who doesn't win and not pick up my marbles and throw a temper tantrum.

I would have loved to see Bernie as VP pick. Or Elizabeth Warren. Or Eric Garcetti (yeah, go Google him). But we got Kaine. So I'll take a deep breath and work my ass off for Hillary-Kaine. So STFU about the 'Bernie Bots' not voting, or voting for Trump, or any other shit. We bleed just as blue as you do!

I said I was laughing at Hugh Hewitt as if HE --- Hugh Hewitt --- was saying this like he was in sour grapes mode.

I did not say anything towards Bernie Sanders supporters.

Then before I posted I reread it and realized what you were actually saying. But I had a good rant going so just count it as a general rant against those concern trolls who are 'afraid that the Democrats will alienate Bernie supporters'.

Yes, every time I see Hugh Hewitt's mug on MSNBC I throw up a little in my mouth.

He's one of Donald Dumpster's major apologists.

Only the truly stupid and GOP trolls would vote for a third party candidate, not vote or (Yuck) vote for Trump. Trump would destroy the progressive movement.

I said the same in less civil terms and my post was removed.

they never cared about working people.

I said I was laughing at Hugh Hewitt as if HE --- Hugh Hewitt --- was saying this like he was in sour grapes mode.

I did not say anything towards Bernie Sanders supporters.

Pro TPP....pro bank deregulation. This should be interesting for Bernie supporters. Me included.

How's that for real?

You can't always get what you want so you make a list of priorities. #1 on my list is seeing the big azzhole go down in flames.

You wil not be disappointed when she is sworn in. In fact, since you are posting on Democratic Underground I am assuming you will be thrilled.

Have a great weekend.

He's a good man. And he's more liberal than folks on this board seem to think. He speaks fluent Spanish, He seems to me like the kind of guy who is (right now, in the Senate) and who will continue to be in the White House, a thoughtful and constructive and useful and knowledgeable colleague.
Most importantly, he has the experience and character to step into the presidency if necessary.

Solid Democratic credentials, a record of results, he knows how to beat Republicans, he's a positive person and he looks to be a good partner for a Madam President Clinton.

Also, a Democratic governor will pick his replacement and it makes the chances of putting Virginia in the blue column that much closer.

HRC just picked VA for the block. tRump picked IN and he already had the Mississippi of the North in the bag.

Plus Tim will attract some moderate pukes looking for someplace to go after last night.

Not sure what is going on there EXACTLY in that regard, but that's how we must start thinking..

E-mails, she-mails!!

This ticket would win in a landslide against Trump in it werent for the emails controversy. As it is Ill say she wins by about 4.

Very smart, centrist DLC ticket with broad appeal.

As Sarah Palin once asked, "What does the Vice President do all day?"

Well Sarah, the VP usually acts as an adviser to the president. Kaine has plenty of experience as a governor and senator, so he would give Hillary some great advice on what policies to implement. Plus, as a senator, he will have some pull as the president of the Senate.

Plus, the VP has to be someone who could immediately take over if, God forbid, something happens to the president. He/She would have to have the managerial skills to calm the nation during such a crisis.

Kaine can do that. Plus, he could hopefully make Virginia go blue in the EC. All in all, not the most exciting pick, but certainly a practical one.

Would have been the preferred choice, this pick neuters Trump even more. He can't go racist on him as he would on her.
Also, the Kaine-Pence debate should be interesting, especially if the true Pence is allowed to reveal himself.

Not thrilled, but I'll get over it.

No Trump!!!!!!!!!!

Pres. Obama confers regularly, if not daily, with Joe Biden.
Did you consider Cheney a ribbon-cutter with a good personality?

Let's hope you were joking.

I just hope its not a one term presidency. I have to be honest, Elizabeth Warren should have realized like Obama realized as a first term Senator, that it was her time. The liberal base pleaded with her with to run. I don't know why she would be willing to be Clinton's VP, but not run for President herself. I think in 8 yrs she may have very well missed her opportunity to be President. And I have to be honest, I'm just disappointed with this ticket, and I really like Kaine.

I guess I'll be voting AGAINST Trump this year.

holding my breath...

And I wouldn't rule out Elizabeth Warren running in 2024, even at the age of 75.

How unexciting!

Might be a draw on who who made the better VP pick. Time will tell...

You're voting for the top of the ticket.

To Hell with the base.

Her buddy DWS has been plotting against the liberal base all along.

A whole lot of Bernie-supporters are going to be giving Hillary our votes, based on trust,
good faith in her Progressive "promises", and especially, fear of Trump.

If she breaks her promises and just goes neoliberal after getting elected (and especially if she
goes hyper-aggressive, a la neocon, with Russia), I predict the Progressive section of
the Party (40 to 45% of Dem voters, and growing), will leave the party.

It's all up to Hillary, IMO.

What's your take on this?

It'll be up to her. Build the party or drive a stake in it...Her choice.
Especially if we elect a Democratic Party Congress then no excuses.

two sane, intelligent, experienced adults, against their guys....I like our chances...

I knew she would go bland.
I'll definitely vote for her, because Trump would destroy the planet.
But this choice is about as dull as her presidency will be.

if Republicans come up with a more competent nominee in 4 yrs. Trump is the easiest opponent they could ever ask for....but I don't think that will be the case 4 yrs from now.

somehow always reminded me of Dagwood Bumstead. I know many here won't remember him, but Dagwood pops to mind whenever I see Tim Kaine.

I can live with him.....
at least he appears to be a positive sort of person, as opposed to the negativity of Trump/Pence!

I thought I may be the only one who saw the resemblance (or the only one who remembered Dagwood).

I'm not thrilled, but I'll get used to it. I would never get used to Trumppence.

and we may be able to beat Trump, but she may very well be on her way to becoming a one term president.

I think it is too soon to predict whether she would be a one or two term president. World events tend to shape a presidency and many cannot be predicted.

I trust Hillary wtf her selection of VP and will work to get them elected.

I think she is securing big donors with this safe pick.

I hope she realizes that she just made that job harder by slapping many of the people who came to her table in the face. We talked down the "Bernie or Bust" types, the "Why not vote Trump" types, and what do we get, someone who was anti abortion and anti lgbt until he realized he had to change his mind to keep his job, and is still very pro wall street. Add to this that there were people who could have continued the legacy of Obama in a way that Tim Kaine, with all the best of intentions, could never do.

I just hope that Hillary realizes we have not forgotten the I.O.U she owes the left, and that the interest has been compiling ever since she became secretary of state. I figure it will start to be paid once the GOP starts trying to have her burnt at the stake, then we will go from being the ugly stepchildren to her faves, much like her hubby needed us to save him from the intern with the cigar.

Oh fear not purity police, we know, indeed, possibly better than many self styled "new democrats" why Trump needs to LOSE, we will be the ones calling the phones, knocking at doors, and making coffee for the HQ while you preen and pose. Don't worry, we won;t stick around for the victory champagne, because we know that you will have slipped something in as revenge against anyone you did not like. But we know that sooner or later, Hillary will realize who she needs and who she like are not the same people. When that day comes, you may not like it, but the nation and world will.

Vote Hillary 2016.

this is such an uninspiring ticket. If she was running against someone like Kasick, she would be in serious trouble.

Also a good advisor and top-notch campaigner.

Really no downside here.

They will make a great team !

Big money rules.

The more I learn about him, the more I like him.

I really didn't know that much about him until I started researching last week.

I think that it would be better to have a VP who wasn't anti-abortion. Women's rights shouldn't be curtailed by Democrats - that's what Republicans do. But I suppose he's a good choice anyway, or he wouldn't have been picked.

He is a fair man & these endorsements say it all.

which doesn't seem very progressive to me. Teaching abstinence is a joke in this day and age and only a way to sabotage women's right to control their own bodies. I'm completely against it.

I suppose he'll be a good VP regardless, or Clinton wouldn't have picked him.

We would have been so much better off with Vilsack.

I can't even see him properly defending her in a debate. He will just give a personal statement about how he trusts her and thinks other people should to. It isn't his style to forcefully and persuasively rebuke the specific lies that they will be telling about her.

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama pushed heavily for Kaine. She never should have listened to them.

insinuate that Hillary made her choice based on what two men told her to do. I don't believe that you really meant to do that.

Kaine was not among my top five preferences. But Vilsack wasn't even in the top ten. Kaine brings a LOT of "major" experience pluses to the party, which I already knew. Vilsack - good guy as he is - simply doesn't bring as many.

But what I didn't know about Kaine - and what I have had a crash course in learning since this choice was made - is that he has several "minor" experience pluses that show me exactly what kind of a person he is and it is those that make me understand why Hillary selected him. They include: fluent speaker of Spanish; a year abroad in Honduras working in a way similar to that of a Peace Corps Volunteer; staunch opposition to the gun lobby; supporter of women's reproductive rights despite being a Catholic ... and the list goes on and on.

Kaine is a stellar pick. We Dems are fortunate in that we have MANY candidates who would also have been stellar picks. Certainly some of us are slightly disappointed that they were not chosen.

But Hillary is the Candidate. She obviously believes that Tim Kaine is her best running mate. I respect her decision and will support the Clinton-Kaine ticket - and enthusiastically - in every possible way that I can!

Who is this guy ‘Kaine’ anyway

After watching Trump on free air television, and suffering through digital pixilation that interrupted some parts of the speech, all motivated my impressions.

Incredibly after seemly very good presentations by his sons and daughter, and even the Vice President pick, Pence, made me wonder how they could ever embellish their candidate this man their father to transform his innate fashion in turning America a wrong way.

Those introductions masked out making the addition about inbox secure to the - xbox - battle of terror features battlefield 4. Or, we need the cartoon round up to help America understand Trumps mind is a play station.

The reality of getting advice from the seventh generation the Game Pop android, Trump, of the now conservative neo-unnatural world order. The ideal that it’s all Hillary’s fault, yet plays the old time popular song

"Skip to My Lou" is a popular children's song. Skip to My Lou was a popular American partner-stealing dance from the 1840s.

So Pence gives balance to smother or suffocate stupid Trump remarks should be very different from Kaine to extend the honor and commitment of the natural growth that is instilled in America rather then that demand of the “NOW CHANGE”.

Yet the Republican Bush Administration cannot steal away that ideal, “The Great Recession” was related to the financial crisis of 2007–08 and U.S. subprime mortgage crisis of 2007–09 and war profiteering that is protracted into years or decades of transform that will be difficult to untangle socially and economically. Hillary did not do all of that, good old George W did it.

If anyone needs to go to jail it is the Bush administration for intentional deception with intelligence that induced Hillary and others to vote for the Iraq war.

From my view all America got was a four trillion dollar water fountain at ground zero. With that’s said, it is a sweet profit blended with war profiteering and torture Cheney style in this breaking news era of “the mainstream gang bang media” profits driven by commercial revenue supported through bailout calculus.

Kaine speaking Spanish is an asset that can be protracted into the new Mexican American alien wall of understanding 