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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:12 AM Jul 2016

Normandy church attack suspect was on watch list and wore electronic tag, French officials say

Source: The Washington Post

By James McAuley and Brian Murphy July 26 at 9:56 AM

SAINT-ETIENNE-DU-ROUVRAY, France — Two attackers backing the Islamic State stormed a village church during Mass in northern France on Tuesday, taking hostages and slitting the throat of a 86-year-old priest before police commandos shot and killed the assailants, authorities said.

The Islamic State’s Amaq news agency described the attackers as “soldiers” of the militant group, according to the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors militant statements. But it was not immediately clear whether the assailants had direct contact with the Islamic State.

At least one of the attackers appeared to be on a watch list, including being forced to wear an electronic bracelet to allow security officials to track his movements, said a police official cited by the Associated Press.

The measure was taken after the man tried to reach Syria, but was turned back at some point during the trip, the official said. The AP said the official spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose information about the case.

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/attackers-slit-french-priests-throat-in-church-shot-dead-by-police/2016/07/26/618a9600-5315-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html?wpisrc=al_alert-world

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Normandy church attack suspect was on watch list and wore electronic tag, French officials say (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2016 OP
What an awful way to die. yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #1
What do you suggest? philosslayer Jul 2016 #8
What would YOU suggest? christx30 Jul 2016 #14
Is that for everyone or just Muslims? philosslayer Jul 2016 #21
That's for the migrants. They shouldn't have 100% christx30 Jul 2016 #23
Same for migrants here? philosslayer Jul 2016 #24
We vet them far more than they do. christx30 Jul 2016 #25
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #27
Take it seriously for one thing yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #19
Legalize beheading ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #28
yes - this is a civil war and has to be conducted as such. MariaThinks Jul 2016 #10
I'm afraid it's not a civil war when you're being invaded from the outside. razorman Jul 2016 #26
they are being invited in to have a better life and are destroying the benefactors MariaThinks Jul 2016 #30
Why even have a watch list if this is the result NWCorona Jul 2016 #2
What scum greytdemocrat Jul 2016 #3
They should let every seething Islamist go to Syria to geek tragedy Jul 2016 #4
I think part of the problem is, they don't always know they go there. all american girl Jul 2016 #6
no idea why they are not letting these murderers go to syria and then get killed. MariaThinks Jul 2016 #11
do a catch and release, put a GPS tag on them. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #12
agreed MariaThinks Jul 2016 #15
They should have let the scumbag go to Syria. nt B2G Jul 2016 #5
Just France (not including thwarted attacks) MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #7
Every single one of these attacks helps Trump... Imajika Jul 2016 #9
who gives a shit about trump. no words or gestures are going to stop these islamic killings. MariaThinks Jul 2016 #13
I give a sh*t about how this stuff may affect our elections... Imajika Jul 2016 #16
IN regards to this helping trump, bighart Jul 2016 #17
There is really nothing to be done about it... Imajika Jul 2016 #18
Righties already are complaining no terror mentioned last night yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #20
It won't be mentioned and shouldn't be philosslayer Jul 2016 #22
"I'm really sorry your husband was beheaded by christx30 Jul 2016 #29
if islamic murders are not reported people can remain ignorant. this is what the bushies did after MariaThinks Jul 2016 #31
And measures are still taken to deal with christx30 Jul 2016 #32
Now that's monitoring your terror suspects...hope we don't follow the French model. ileus Jul 2016 #33

christx30

(6,241 posts)
14. What would YOU suggest?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jul 2016

I'd suggest a zero tolerance policy regarding crime for migrants. Anything from a speeding ticket and up gets a one way ticket back to the country you claim to be your origin. If you lied about where you are from to get preferential treatment (said you were Syrian instead of Libyan), you're going to have a bad time.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
21. Is that for everyone or just Muslims?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jul 2016

And here too or just in Europe? Should someone from Mexico be deported for a parking ticket?

christx30

(6,241 posts)
23. That's for the migrants. They shouldn't have 100%
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jul 2016

citizenship. They should be here on a probationary basis for a while. That way there is none of this "we were monitoring him because he tried to join ISIS. Then he went and beheaded a priest. Whoops" crap.
He should have been allowed to go there and die.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
25. We vet them far more than they do.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jul 2016

We send them through the ringer while they are in the refugee camps. We know as almost as much about them as they do about themselves before they are even allowed onto US soil.

But they are guests, and they need to conduct themselves as such. Crime from migrants shouldn't be tolerated in any way. If you come to work, to raise a family, to get away from the horrors of ISIS in Syria, the welcome mat is out. If you're a criminal, the doors close to you forever.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
28. Legalize beheading
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jul 2016

We need to make people feel more comfortable and welcome to their new country and stop being so discriminatory.

It's going to happen one way or another and must be accepted, right?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. They should let every seething Islamist go to Syria to
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jul 2016

fight for IS, and then blow them the hell up there.

No repatriation allowed, cancel their citizenship.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
6. I think part of the problem is, they don't always know they go there.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jul 2016

When we first got here two years ago (Belgium) this place had the most people coming back from that area. Some they knew, some they suspected...and we all know how this is turning out here. They are also able to find fools to do this crap by going to the parks, where people hang out, and convert them. It's just crazy, but no different than our gun nuts. They may not do it for religion, but they have their own crazy ass reasons that make no sense to any of us.

Also, the guns, from my understanding are not hard to get....anyone remember the Bosnia thing...even though a lot of Europe have strict gun controls, some of the Baltic states....not so much. Yes it's a mess here, and I try not to think about it too much, or I would never leave my house.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. do a catch and release, put a GPS tag on them.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jul 2016

Works for tracking all kinds of wildlife, why not use it on ISIS's orcs?

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
7. Just France (not including thwarted attacks)
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jul 2016


I don't know how long Hollande (and Merkel et al) have left to get the situation under control, but the current trajectory will turn non-linear, irreversible and 'bad' in short order if they don't.

Imajika

(4,072 posts)
9. Every single one of these attacks helps Trump...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jul 2016

Outrageous as his "ban all Muslims" nonsense is, the more of these attacks that occur the more people will accept his solution. Trump will also no doubt refine it to "ban all Muslims from..." specific countries - which of could be most or all of them.

These attacks are playing into the hands of white nationalists, supremacists and separatists. If this keeps up I would not be shocked to see the National Front win in France next election and the far right Alternative for Germany party making historic gains in that country as well - not to mention far right parties and individuals winning in other parts of Europe.

People once laughed at these fringe/fascist parties, they won't be for much longer.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
13. who gives a shit about trump. no words or gestures are going to stop these islamic killings.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jul 2016

these are refugees from Islamic state that are now killing people who tried to help them.

the victims of Islamic radicals in non-muslim majority countries are tending to be non-muslims.

Imajika

(4,072 posts)
16. I give a sh*t about how this stuff may affect our elections...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jul 2016

Put simply, I think Trump is the greater threat at this particular moment in time.

Saying that, I am not in any way diminishing the horror of these attacks by Islamic radicals. I lived in a country that has dealt with this issue on a larger scale and for probably much longer than anywhere in Europe and believe me, I want Daesh and all other loony fundamentalists eradicated.

Imajika

(4,072 posts)
18. There is really nothing to be done about it...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jul 2016

Sometimes certain events or a string of likely events will help one candidate more than the other.

Hillary can't out-Trump Trump on terrorism. She is thoughtful, learned, experienced in her approach, but I don't think that is what the average person wants to hear right now. I think a majority no longer care about niceties and are likely to respond more to radical sounding solutions. Trump will simply demagogue the issue in a way that Hillary can't - and wouldn't even if she could.

Remember, Trump is running on the idea that everything is going to hell in a hand basket. The more headline making turmoil, terrorism, shootings, etc, that occur the more it helps him. Those news stories play into his dark vision of where the country and world is right now - and that we need a strongman like Trump to be the bulwark against all these hostile forces.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
20. Righties already are complaining no terror mentioned last night
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jul 2016

And tonight no plans of it either. Tomorrow night it has to at least be addressed.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
22. It won't be mentioned and shouldn't be
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jul 2016

In the large grand scheme of things , in the United States, terrorism is a relatively inconsequential threat. Automobile safety has a much bigger impact, and I certainly don't expect that to be brought up.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
29. "I'm really sorry your husband was beheaded by
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jul 2016

Islamist radicals. But we're not going to report on it anymore. Really, compared to traffic accidents, it's really inconsequential. Maybe you can be a dear and pass that onto the families of those 84 killed on Bastille Day. Thanks so much."

Try passing that message to the general public. I think the people that agree with you are probably about 2% of the population. Traffic ACCIDENTS are nothing like actual MURDER. One is an expected consequence of having cars on the street. The other is deliberate actions of terrible people.
If you said that funding for HIV/AIDS research needs to be cut because stroke is 6 times more likely to kill you, people would think you're crazy.
Hell, the right does this too. You've heard the thing they keep saying blacks kill more blacks than police do, so police shootings aren't a big deal. You say THAT among rational people, they'd call you crazy and racist.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
31. if islamic murders are not reported people can remain ignorant. this is what the bushies did after
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jul 2016

their Iraq invasion became a disaster - they refused to reveal how many service people were killed and they refused to report on the civilian casualties they caused in Iraq.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
32. And measures are still taken to deal with
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jul 2016

accidents. Speeding laws, stop signs, red lights, laws against erratic driving, brake lights, laws mandating turn signals, ect are trying to prevent fatal accidents.
It's not unreasonable for the government to pass laws and take measures to try to prevent deaths from radical Islamic terrorism.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
33. Now that's monitoring your terror suspects...hope we don't follow the French model.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jul 2016

How dumb...

All well at least he only killed one...right?

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