self-respect?

Perhaps "imputed honor"?

"Dignity" is ambiguous, but those two terms aren't.

yup, something I'm a little too familiar with. I hate flying. It's like travel has become an increasingly white privilege even 15 years after 9/11.

People in general treated like cattle. Being watched and evaluated. Packed in like sardines. Air travel used to be a luxury and people were treated with dignity, while now it's just a miserable experience.

It's kind of a waste since I can't drink, but I'm not sure my arse will fit into a cattle class seat these days.

With my parents gone and my health down the pan, it's probably an empty threat but gawd, I hate flying coach.

that the rare times I fly is that I always get a first class ticket.

I learned some years back, before 9/11, that if you plan far enough ahead they may not be too expensive. And I'm willing to pay the premium. That said, a year or so back I needed to make a trip on short notice and did fly coach, because the first class ticket was going to be more than I was willing to fork over. On the way back home, the gate agent, shortly before boarding, announced that a first class seat was available for fifty dollars, so I went straight to the check-in desk and grabbed it They refunded the $25 fee for my checked baggage, so it felt like a bargain.

I'm a former airline employee, started the job several years before any sort of security, so I'm singularly unimpressed with the way it is these days.

from a culture that has become increasingly "whites only". I remember those signs growing up....and while traveling with my parents to Georgia having to relieve myself in those pig styes of toilets.....shades of days past.....really sad what america is degenerating to...another third world country with pretensions to empire....with the possibility to have a Nazi as POTUS.....WELL TRUE NATURE CAN BE HIDDEN ONLY FOR SO LONG.

Guess I'd better not fly again either.

Being packed into a metal tube like sardines in a can, with body heat from dozens to hundreds of people and limited airflow, makes me break out in a sweat too until I can turn the little air nozzle thingy on. Guess I'd better rethink flying if "sweating" is a sign that you're up to something.

Then again, I'm probably safe. I'm lily-white and my wife doesn't wear a headscarf. Shame on that flight attendant, shame on the captain for enabling her ignorance, and shame on the airline for allowing this to happen.

Is called an eyeball diffuser.

Every time I fly for more than an hour I have to pack like I'm going to be camping outside in Alaska during winter

I can't deal with stagnant air. Even in the dead of winter (in Canada, no less) I sleep with a fan pointed at my face. If the air is motionless, I'll sweat. Just the way I'm wired, I guess.

Considering all that's happened in France it's not hard to see why some would be on edge. Women need to trust their intuition.

Hillary 2016

And not just one person being a jerk to another type of bigotry, but actual, institutional bigotry that results in removing people from airplanes - innocent people who have done nothing wrong and have already made it through security?

Tell me, who is made safer by what happened on that plane and all the other planes and trains where such incidents have happened?

Security is theater. Next, the actual terrorists maybe white pilots recruited to the cause. Why do something they've already tried? Their tactics change, and we play catchup.

Meanwhile we're not free. We fear. Fear is not winning when you claim to fight a war on "terror." By that metric, we're losing badly, while we treat our citizens, of whatever faith, creed, race, or color like shit. Like criminals.

The "war on terror" has us peeing in our pants. Is that winning?

Now sweating is illegal.

We're free to do as they tell us.

My Japanese-American grandparents were victims of a nation "on edge". I don't tolerate the "racism is okay if it saves lives" attitude one iota.

Trump's "fear all Muslims" and tattle on people you see bulls**t.

... flight attendant noticed this sweating and saying "Allah" over and over?

Remember, the original hijackers didn't dress the part.

one of two agents that checked Mohammed Atta in on the morning of 9/11. He noticed body language that was troubling. Anger. But he answered all security questions correctly, had a ticket, so he gave Atta the boarding pass and sent him on his way. But things just didn't sit right with him. When the first tower was hit, he wondered about this guy. When the second tower was hit, he knew it was Atta.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/11/245388/-

"body language that was troubling" and "anger"? I realize his job is to look for these things, but 99.999% of the time they mean nothing.

As for the flight attendant with a fear of head scarves and sweating brown people, I suggest she stick to domestic flights.

99.999% of the time it means nothing. But that .001% is 9/11. There was something in Touhey's gut that said this Atta guy was bad news. And there was nothing he could articulate to delay Atta, so he waved him on. He still feels guilty that he allowed Atta to go, even though he had no reason to stop him, not in a pre-9/11 world.
The other agent who had contact with Atta that day committed suicide.

"Something is fishy here. I could speak up, risk my job. But if I stay silent, I and everyone aboard this plane could die."
The person you speak up about could be this couple, or they could be Richard Reid. You don't know until after the dust settles. Just hope the dust isn't a cloud of jet fuel and airplane parts.

OH MY GOD! MUSLIMS!

Oh my God, I said " God!"

And so did she! And that one is sweating! And that one's a "coon!" Who let all this riff-raff into the room!

THERE'S ONE SMOKING A JOINT! AND ANOTHER WITH SPOTS!

If the flight attendant had her way, she'd have all of them shot.

Oh. My. God.

"If you see something, say something" only leads to more harm than good.

not just "sensitivity training" or other nonsense. fire their asses.

and publicize why they are being fired

this is more than shameful. Assholes.

I guess Muslims are not allowed to fear flying.

a very common phrase, e.g. "Inshallah the flight will arrive on time so we can see the kids before bed time". Ignorant flight crew member who should not be working in their current capacity.

She's a hero I can do without.

This shit is so disgusting, every time. Usually it is another passenger though, not a crew member. Somehow that's even worse.

And these airlines keep pandering to the bigots by removing the VICTIMS of the bigotry.

Ass backwards bullshit.

Probably not.

That's what is dumb about all this stuff. None of it prevents terrorists. Terrorists know what they are doing and not to draw attention.

"Never let 'em see ya sweat."

is laugh and vote.

factors the TSA looks for at passenger screening. "Excessive perspiration, inconsistent with environment."
People sweat when they're nervous about something.
So the company apologizes to the couple, maybe gives them a free flight, then drops it. They tell the flight crew to be more careful about who they remove from the flight, but they'll be backed in whatever they feel they need to do in the future to ensure the safety of their flight. No one has to go through any sensitivity training. No one gets fired.
The couple may sue for something, but I honestly don't know what for. The flight crew made a call. It was the wrong one. But they shouldn't be afraid for their jobs when it comes time to make a call like that. Not when you have the lives of more than 200 people in your hands.

It's enough to get you a second look, and additional questions.
From leaked documents from the TSA, how they decide who gets looked at for additional screening.
Assign 1 point per “stress” factor, 2 points per “fear” factor and 3 points per “deception factor”. If the passenger scores 0-3 points, let them pass. If they score 4 or 5, refer for “selective screening”. If they score 6 or more, refer and notify a Law Enforcement Officer (LEO)
Stress factors (17):
- Arrives late for flight, if known

- Avoids eye contact with security personnel or LEO

- Exaggerated yawning as the individual approaches the screening process

- Excessive fidgeting, clock watching, head-turning, shuffling feet, leg shaking

- Excessive perspiration inconsistent with the environment

- Face pale from recent shaving of beard

- Facial flushing while undergoing screening

- Faster eye blink rate when individual requested to submit to screening procedures

- Increased breathing rate, panting

- Obvious “Adam’s Apple” jump when requested to submit to screening procedures

- Protruding or beating neck arteries

- Repetitive touching of face

- Rubbing or wringing of hands

- Strong body odour

- Sweaty palms

- Trembling

- Whistling as the individual approaches the screening process

Fear factors (15):

- Bag appears to be heavier than expected or does not suit the individual’s appearance

- Bulges in clothing

- Cold penetrating stare

- Constantly looking at other travellers or associates

- Exaggerated emotions or inappropriate behaviours to the location such as crying, excessive laughter or chatter

- Exaggerated, repetitive grooming gestures

- Hesitation/indecision on entering checkpoint or submitting to screening process

- Individuals who are seemingly unrelated but display identical dress or luggage

- Powerful grip of a bag or hand inside the bag

- Rigid posture, minimal body movements with arms close to side

- Scans area, appearing to look for security personnel or LEO

- Shows unusual interest in security officers and their work routine

- Displays arrogance and verbally expresses contempt for the screening process

- Wearing improper attire for location

- Widely open staring eyes

Deception factors (6):

- Appears to be confused or disoriented

- Appears to be in disguise

- Asks the Behaviour Detection Officer security-related questions

- Does not respond to authoritative commands

- Maintains covert ties with others (maintaining consistent eye contact with others, exhibiting hand gestures to others or passing objects to others)

- Repeatedly pats upper body with hands (not associated with divesting objects at X-ray/Metal Detector).

posted up there? Or how people are selected for additional screening?

A woman, in coach, complains to an attendant that she is uncomfortable having to sit next to a black man. The attendant says, "Let me see what I can do" and goes off. You see her talking to another crew member. Then she comes back and says, "I checked and we have an extra seat in First Class. No one should have to sit next to this person. If you will come with me we will get you reseated." The woman starts to move. The attendant says, "Not you madam. Sir, will you come with me. There is no reason for you to sit next to an ignorant bigot like this."

Obviously never happened, but it makes a point. Do that a couple of times, offering the offended Muslims the courtesy of not having to be the recipient of mindless bigotry instead of pandering to bigots instead and 'complaints' might drop off.

If I found myself on a flight with Trump, I might complain to a flight attendant that HE made me uncomfortable and nervous because he was orange and kept muttering about Muslims and nukes.

Put that person off the flight. Here the flight attendant

Take the crew member and put her on a different plane. If there is no opening for her on a different flight then she could sit it out and lose some pay.

the people who died in Nice or NYC?

Please be specific.

Your whole post is an excuse. False equivalency. Comparing this couple to terrorists.

trying to get home to your family because you might have said "God Bless" to someone on your cell phone. And I can't tell you how many "sweaty" men I've sat next to on flights. Hmmm maybe next time that happens I'll ask the flight attendant to remove the person because I think he's a threat. Doesn't even have to be a Muslim, could be a good ole boy, or a black man. Where do we stop?

Did they blow up another plane I'm unaware of?

They're going to Cincinnati. That's punishment enough.

Doesn't the FAA leave that up to the carrier?

I'm asking because I don't know.

if a sweaty man was saying "God" and the woman with a large cross (or Star of David) around her neck was talking on a cell phone?

Here - I'll do it for you.

the man had been sweating and saying "Christ" and the woman was wearing a crucifix and talking into a cell phone?

Either a) nothing would have happened, or b) the flight attendant would have assumed the gentleman has a fear of flying, and stopped to offer some gentle reassurances to try to calm him down a bit.

Having flown with my wife, who has severe acrophobia, flight attendants often go out of their way when they see she's in distress and attempt to calm her down some.

Of course, we're not Muslims, so...

Flies. She experienced some bad harrasment years ago and when she flies no headscarf. As soon as the plane lands she departs the plane and puts her headscarf on.

But I can understand her not wanting to get harassed.

of how ignorant, bigoted and stupid our flight crews are. and apparently this bigotry must be coddled and validated at all costs. i hope the couple sues and wins a bunch of money.

They should sue the airline itself. Drive them into bankruptcy. Maybe then they'll get a clue as to how to treat customers.

hurt them how it matters.

Mon Dieu!

Coincidence?

It seems the crew member name and picture should be part of the story since they are the person who caused the problem.

Also who approved her request? They should be known too.

does anyone really thing a flight attendant told the pilot she was nervous because people were sweating and using the phone? It is ridiculous.