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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 06:55 PM Aug 2016

2 Jailers Moved Into Policing Jobs After Bland's Death

Source: Associated Press

2 Jailers Moved Into Policing Jobs After Bland's Death

By nomaan merchant, associated press

DALLAS — Aug 6, 2016, 10:43 AM ET

Less than two months after the death of Sandra Bland, a black woman who was jailed in Texas after a routine traffic stop, two of her jailers quietly moved to other jobs.

Rafael Zuniga and Michael Serges left the Waller County sheriff's office in September 2015 for the Waller Police Department, a smaller agency with less responsibility, according to state records obtained by The Associated Press. They started work on the same day.

They have kept those jobs even after admitting under oath their roles in falsifying a jail monitoring log that indicated guards checked on Bland an hour before she was found hanging in her cell in July 2015, according to an attorney for the Bland family, which has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the county and several employees, including the two former jailers. Local authorities ruled Bland's death a suicide.

Attorney Tom Rhodes told the AP this week that Zuniga acknowledged in a deposition that the log was filled out in advance with times that he supposedly conducted cell checks. Serges acknowledged that he signed the bottom of the log sheet at the beginning of the shift before any actual checks, according to Rhodes, who described the depositions but did not provide transcripts to the AP.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jailers-moved-policing-jobs-blands-death-41164850

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2 Jailers Moved Into Policing Jobs After Bland's Death (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2016 OP
The whole thing stinks to high heaven ailsagirl Aug 2016 #1
I missed her appearance at the DNC. Did she explain why her family didn't bail her daughter out of Akicita Aug 2016 #9
dispersion heaven05 Aug 2016 #15
That's the reason she gave? Akicita Aug 2016 #21
I sure think they murdered her. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2016 #2
So..you may be correct...how do others prove it? Stuart G Aug 2016 #3
? I In our racist country and systems I doubt it can be done. I don't think there is any real answer jtuck004 Aug 2016 #4
I don't know about the rest of the country, but in New Orleans if a driver treats a cop the way she Akicita Aug 2016 #12
dispersion and BS heaven05 Aug 2016 #16
I would just go with BS etherealtruth Aug 2016 #37
That poster has an agenda. He/she is mainly active on race-related topics, and they're always Chakab Aug 2016 #38
I don't know about this you say heaven05 Aug 2016 #19
I'm not talking about Katrina. I'm talking about everyday New Orleans. Talk to people who live Akicita Aug 2016 #22
I have heaven05 Aug 2016 #23
Did they agree or disagree with my position? Akicita Aug 2016 #25
I have heaven05 Aug 2016 #27
I don't think you know what you are talking about. New Orleans is mostly run by blacks. After many Akicita Aug 2016 #31
this country is led heaven05 Aug 2016 #33
Please quit putting words in my mouth. I gave no glowing report. I only stated the facts about the Akicita Aug 2016 #35
It'll be tough... TipTok Aug 2016 #5
But we do know, according to the coroner's report, that she ingested Marijuana while in custody Midnight Writer Aug 2016 #7
Some have posited she may have... TipTok Aug 2016 #8
Umm. She was jailed for escalating the situation and then resisting arrest, not for not using her Akicita Aug 2016 #10
dispersion and BS heaven05 Aug 2016 #17
"Routine traffic stop." Chakab Aug 2016 #6
How is it assault if she just talked back? Are you sure she didn't strike or shove or kick him or Akicita Aug 2016 #11
He put his knee in the middle of her back when he cuffed her. She started flailing her arms because Chakab Aug 2016 #13
How could she possibly elbow him in the face if he was kneeling on her with his knee in her back? Akicita Aug 2016 #14
this murder heaven05 Aug 2016 #18
Are you implying something racist? Akicita Aug 2016 #24
I implied nothing heaven05 Aug 2016 #26
My name is not Hispanic sounding so I'm ok, right? Akicita Aug 2016 #28
who knows heaven05 Aug 2016 #30
You have a good day too. Akicita Aug 2016 #32
I didn't say that heaven05 Aug 2016 #34
Why else would you bring up his race? Akicita Aug 2016 #36
She didn't assault him. The cop lied. DLevine Aug 2016 #20
Well, if Bland did assault him, she was provoked by a cop who didn't know how to properly handle an Akicita Aug 2016 #29

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
1. The whole thing stinks to high heaven
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 08:23 PM
Aug 2016

I was glad that Sandra's mother came to the DNC and I was very moved by all those mothers who lost their children.
Such strength. More heroes.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
9. I missed her appearance at the DNC. Did she explain why her family didn't bail her daughter out of
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 03:38 AM
Aug 2016

jail?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
4. ? I In our racist country and systems I doubt it can be done. I don't think there is any real answer
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 08:56 PM
Aug 2016

that leaves the country intact.

It is just too much a part and parcel of us all.



Akicita

(1,196 posts)
12. I don't know about the rest of the country, but in New Orleans if a driver treats a cop the way she
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:19 AM
Aug 2016

did, they are going to jail. Not saying it is right. That's just the way it is. Doesn't matter if the driver is white or black or if the cop is white or black. It would only matter if the driver were politically connected.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
38. That poster has an agenda. He/she is mainly active on race-related topics, and they're always
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 03:27 PM
Aug 2016

denying of the existence of racism and blaming minorities. If I'd paid attention to the username, I wouldn't have bothered responding in the first place.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
19. I don't know about this you say
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 11:55 AM
Aug 2016

Last edited Sun Aug 7, 2016, 01:03 PM - Edit history (1)

I do know that during Katrina a awful lot of unarmed black people were murdered by white cops vs the other way around........so it makes me doubt your "doesn't matter.....whether cop.....or victim....is black or white" statement.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
22. I'm not talking about Katrina. I'm talking about everyday New Orleans. Talk to people who live
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 12:22 PM
Aug 2016

before you call BS.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
27. I have
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 12:37 PM
Aug 2016

made my statement on whether they agreed or disagreed.........I have had extended talks .....conversations....New Orleans is racist among many others in the south, west, north and eastern section of this country. Cities close to me here in the midwest are racist as hell......still in 2016

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
31. I don't think you know what you are talking about. New Orleans is mostly run by blacks. After many
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 01:03 PM
Aug 2016

years of black mayors, they currently have a white mayor but I haven't seen any signs that he is a racist. He was elected with black support. 58% of New Orleans cops are black, and that kind of diversity is up and down the chain of command. The city council, school board, and state representatives are majority black as is the US Congressman.

So you're position is that these majority black officials are racist against their own race or would put up with and enable a non black minority of racist officials.

C'mon. Put the hate away and think logically.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
33. this country is led
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 01:25 PM
Aug 2016

by a black man.....man of color as it were.....and in the last 7+ years the uptick in racist murders, extra judicial executions by police officers, racist incidents, membership growth in white supremacist groups that is unprecedented in these modern times. I understand how you can pick factors to prove your point, I have one to prove my point. Is the police department of New Orleans majority black? I read that that New Orlean is among the most racially balaned police departments in the nation. Yet in 2012 the Justice Department "FOUND THAT IT DISCRIMINATED AGAINST AFRICAN-AMERICANS". There are similar concerns among Hispanic activists.

So while your glowing report on Mayors, City Councils and School Boards are fine and well, they are not carrying deadly weapons as part of their job.

Look pride in ones city is one thing, naivete concerning social issues that result in murder of innocent, unarmed people is another.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
35. Please quit putting words in my mouth. I gave no glowing report. I only stated the facts about the
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 01:41 PM
Aug 2016

racial makeup of New Orleans officials. New Orleans has been rife with official corruption for a long time, which is nothing to be proud of.
Both in politics and law enforcement.

I am not picking factors. Blacks hold the political power in New Orleans and 58% of the cops are black. Why would they be racist against blacks or tolerate a minority of non black officials who are racist?

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
5. It'll be tough...
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:13 PM
Aug 2016

Whatever you found would have to be good enough to disprove all the evidence that she killed herself as well.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
7. But we do know, according to the coroner's report, that she ingested Marijuana while in custody
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 01:52 AM
Aug 2016

How, exactly, does that happen without the complicity of her jailers, when she has been in jail for three days? And they falsified the logs? And video shows no one other than her jailers in contact with her?

Even if she did kill herself, could the treatment she received (after all, she was essentially jailed for not using a turn signal when she changed lanes to make way for a police car with lights coming up behind her) or her intoxication (which occurred AFTER she was locked up) have been contributing factors?

It will be tough, indeed, but surely the authorities have some level of responsibility here. Civil law has less of a burden re reasonable doubt than criminal law. Perhaps that is the path to accountability.



 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
8. Some have posited she may have...
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 02:37 AM
Aug 2016

... but there is no hard evidence for it other than an elevated THC count.

More likely caused by regular and recent use of marijuana. Also, the levels can change after death (especially in women who often have a higher body fat percentage).

Interesting article here. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/29/us/sandra-bland-toxicology-report.html



Akicita

(1,196 posts)
10. Umm. She was jailed for escalating the situation and then resisting arrest, not for not using her
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 03:55 AM
Aug 2016

turn signal. The cop also escalated the situation and he was fired for it. And rightfully so. Cops are supposed to be trained to de-escalate those situations. Still, a sure way to go to jail for a turn signal violation is to act like she did. They were both at fault for escalating the situation until it got out of hand. The cop got fired and she went to jail.

Do you think the jailers forcefully made her inject marijuana so she would go schizophrenic and hang herself. Interesting theory.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
6. "Routine traffic stop."
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 01:51 AM
Aug 2016

The cop who pulled her over profiled her and the arrested her on a bullshit assault charge because she wasn't sufficiently deferential and talked back.

Some "routine."

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
11. How is it assault if she just talked back? Are you sure she didn't strike or shove or kick him or
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:08 AM
Aug 2016

something else physical. If it was just verbal I don't see how she could have been charged with assault.

It does look like she may have been profiled. That may be part of the reason the cop was fired.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
13. He put his knee in the middle of her back when he cuffed her. She started flailing her arms because
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:56 AM
Aug 2016

of the pain and he claimed that she was trying to elbow him in the face. Of course, there was no video of the alleged assault because he conveniently had her march out of the view of the dashcam to the shoulder of the road before pushing her down and cuffing her.

On the audio of the dashcam footage of the traffic stop, you can hear the arresting officer initially claim that she was cuffed for resisting arrest before correcting himself and claiming that he was assaulted when talking the other officers that responded to the scene.

Encinia, the arresting officer, was indicted for perjuring himself in front of the grand jury regarding his account of why he pulled Bland out of her car. If he was lying about his reason for initiating physical force. There's no reason to believe that he wouldn't have put a bullshit charge on her.

I hate to break this to you, but cops routinely put bogus charges on people who "disrespect" them. It's called bringing somebody in "on a humble." For an extreme example of this phenomenon, look up what the NYPD did to pro basketball player Thabo Sefolosha, who was arrested, prosecuted and acquitted of charges of assaulting police officers and obstruction of justice after he had his leg broken by a group of cops because he called one a "midget."

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
14. How could she possibly elbow him in the face if he was kneeling on her with his knee in her back?
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 05:22 AM
Aug 2016

You're not breaking anything to me. As I noted in another reply, it is well known by people in New Orleans that if you treat a cop like Sandra did, you are going to jail. Doesn't matter if you are white or black or if the cop is white or black. It only matters if you have connections or not.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
18. this murder
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 11:50 AM
Aug 2016

Last edited Sun Aug 7, 2016, 12:27 PM - Edit history (1)

WAS NOT in new orleans. DISTRACTION, DISPERSION AND BS. Period.Seems like a lot of people with hispanic soundibng surnames are involved in a lot of these murders and shootings of unarmed AA lately.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
26. I implied nothing
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 12:31 PM
Aug 2016

just a personal observation based on names, nothing else. Zimmerman was not hispanic sounding, yet he is hispanic and light enough to be viewed as he is. Go try try to trip up others, no go here.....just observations of all involed including some here......

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
32. You have a good day too.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 01:12 PM
Aug 2016

My kids are Hispanic so you touched a nerve. I think they call it a trigger these days. I haven't seen any information that Zimmerman killed Martin because Zimmerman is Hispanic so I don't know why you would bring that up. That's the kind of thing racists do.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
34. I didn't say that
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 01:30 PM
Aug 2016

because zimmerman was hispanic he killed Trayvon Martin....nice try though....I plan on having a good day, thank you.

DLevine

(1,788 posts)
20. She didn't assault him. The cop lied.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 11:59 AM
Aug 2016

From the article: "The only person who has been indicted by a grand jury investigating Bland's death is former state trooper Brian Encinia, who was charged with misdemeanor perjury after video from his patrol car contradicted his claims that Bland assaulted him without provocation".

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
29. Well, if Bland did assault him, she was provoked by a cop who didn't know how to properly handle an
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 12:46 PM
Aug 2016

agitated citizen or how to de-escalate the situation like he is supposed to do.

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