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Native

(5,943 posts)
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 02:06 PM Aug 2016

Trump's new problem: His lead on economic issues is gone

Source: CNN Money

No matter how far behind he was in the polls, Donald Trump always led in one key area: The economy. Now Hillary Clinton has closed that gap.

As recently as mid-July, when voters were asked which candidate "would better handle the economy," they picked Trump over Clinton by a wide margin (54% to 43%), according to CNN/ORC polling.

Now Clinton has the edge. In the most recent CNN/ORC poll, conducted July 29 to 31, Clinton was ahead on the economy question, 50% to 48%.

"It's almost certainly a direct result of a successful, professional, polished convention," said Larry Sabato, director for the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia.

Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/14/news/economy/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-economy/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom

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Trump's new problem: His lead on economic issues is gone (Original Post) Native Aug 2016 OP
The more people are exposed to Trump, the more they realize he's a complete fraud. PSPS Aug 2016 #1
Except for his hard-core followers, of course ailsagirl Aug 2016 #11
NYT: Trump’s Misguided Embrace of Tax Cuts TomCADem Aug 2016 #2
Tax cuts, more spending, and stiff the bondholders progree Aug 2016 #10
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2016 #3
Well, what little he's actually presented... Wounded Bear Aug 2016 #4
Just because the guy knows how to screw people out of paying them doesn't mean he TeamPooka Aug 2016 #5
Former George W. Bush Cabinet-Sec of Commerce-Carlos Gutierrez backs Hillary Clinton riversedge Aug 2016 #6
perhaps the Clinton ad showing Trumps clothing lines being made in corner countries Kyblue1 Aug 2016 #7
Trump is proud that he is employing people in Bangladesh Kyblue1 Aug 2016 #8
Um.... Liberalagogo Aug 2016 #9
Naw. The July voters polled were no more stupid then those polled now.... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #13
"...almost certainly a direct result of....convention..."?? I think it's more a direct result... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #12
LOL lark Aug 2016 #14
K&R red dog 1 Aug 2016 #15
Well, the guy has declared bankruptcy how many times? Still In Wisconsin Aug 2016 #16
This is so very sweet. Trump moonscape Aug 2016 #17
Isn't his speech on dealing with ISIS coming like tomorrow? Native Aug 2016 #18
If Trump can't run a convention or a campaign competently, how's he gonna run the country? tclambert Aug 2016 #19

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
2. NYT: Trump’s Misguided Embrace of Tax Cuts
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 02:17 PM
Aug 2016

Interesting that a Reagan/Bush policy adviser essentially concedes that tax cuts do not automatically lead to economic growth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/opinion/campaign-stops/trumps-misguided-embrace-of-tax-cuts.html

I know something about the Reagan tax cut. In 1977, while working for Representative Jack Kemp, Republican of New York, I drafted the Kemp-Roth tax bill, which Reagan sent to Congress in early 1981. The law cut statutory tax rates by about 25 percent across the board.

It is G.O.P. dogma that the Reagan tax cut set off an economic boom. Every Republican presidential nominee since the 1980s has promised big tax cuts and another economic surge. Tax increases, Republicans believe, are the kiss of death for the economy.

While Mr. Trump has been unafraid to differ with Republican doctrine on many issues, such as Iraq and trade, he is embracing party orthodoxy on taxes. But the Reagan tax cut is not the medicine the economy needs.

Tax rates were very high when Reagan proposed cutting them — much higher than today. The high tax rates from the World War II era had been only partly cut by John F. Kennedy, and the top income-tax rate was 70 percent. Inflation was pushing workers into higher tax brackets when they received cost-of-living pay raises.

progree

(10,921 posts)
10. Tax cuts, more spending, and stiff the bondholders
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 03:23 PM
Aug 2016
In the event that the U.S. economy crashed, Donald Trump has floated a recovery plan based on his own experience with corporate bankruptcy: Pay America’s creditors less than full value on the U.S. Treasurys they hold.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee suggested in a phone interview Thursday with CNBC that he would stimulate growth through borrowing. If trouble arose, he added, he could get investors to accept reduced payments for their Treasury holdings.

...“I would borrow, knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal,” Trump told CNBC.

...Trump has touted his acumen for restructuring four of his companies under bankruptcy laws. When Trump Hotels & Casinos finished a 2004 bankruptcy reorganization, it cut $500 million off $1.8 billion in debt and reduced the interest rate to 8 percent from 15 percent.

“I don’t think it’s a failure’ it’s a success,” Trump told The Associated Press at the time.

Source: "A Trump proposal for national debt would send rates soaring, AP, 5/6/16"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-proposal-national-debt-send-184432030.html



Wounded Bear

(58,726 posts)
4. Well, what little he's actually presented...
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 02:30 PM
Aug 2016

is basically the same old warmed over Reaganomics/supply side/Chicago school crap that got us in this mess.

The people are finally waking up. TPTB may not like it, but the real "populist" movement right now is more "Tax the rich bastards" than "take it easy on the job creators." We can thank Bernie for elevating that as much as he did, but also thank Hillary for altering the Dem platform to reflect this to the extent that it does.

Momentum is building to a swing back to true progressive values.

TeamPooka

(24,261 posts)
5. Just because the guy knows how to screw people out of paying them doesn't mean he
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 02:49 PM
Aug 2016

understands the economy America.

riversedge

(70,322 posts)
6. Former George W. Bush Cabinet-Sec of Commerce-Carlos Gutierrez backs Hillary Clinton
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 03:00 PM
Aug 2016

This story fits with the OP




Former George W. Bush Cabinet Member Backs Hillary Clinton

http://time.com/4451658/hillary-clinton-carlos-gutierrez-george-w-bush/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter

Mahita Gajanan @mahitagajanan

12:43 PM ET



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Getty Images Former Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez attends a luncheon following a meeting of the business council at the chamber's headquarters in Washington on Feb. 16, 2016.
'I don't want to go back fifty years'

Carlos Gutierrez, the former Secretary of Commerce under President George W. Bush, has joined the ranks of Republicans who are supporting Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton over Republican nominee Donald Trump.

Gutierrez said Clinton would “make a darned good president” and be better for the U.S. economy, calling Trump’s economic policies a “disaster” during an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper. While Gutierrez agrees with Trump’s free trade platform, he said the Republican nominee’s economic policies would harm the country.

“The economy’s important to me. His plan, I love the tax cuts, I’m a Republican, but then he has this sort of import substitution strategy, which is a strategy like an underdeveloped country, very poor countries think that way,” he said. “(The idea) that we have to substitute our imports. That would be a disaster.”....................




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Kyblue1

(216 posts)
7. perhaps the Clinton ad showing Trumps clothing lines being made in corner countries
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 03:04 PM
Aug 2016

Has had an effect. Thanks to Dave Letterman.

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
9. Um....
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 03:21 PM
Aug 2016
As recently as mid-July, when voters were asked which candidate "would better handle the economy," they picked Trump over Clinton by a wide margin (54% to 43%), according to CNN/ORC polling.



Did they just ask stupid people?

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
13. Naw. The July voters polled were no more stupid then those polled now....
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 05:01 PM
Aug 2016

...Back in July, Trump wasn't giving out any details of his plans to turn around the economy. He was just saying "I'm a successful business man, and unlike career politicians, I know how to do this!" It's all part of the new American myth. The old one was the Horatio Alger myth that anyone could, with hard work, be president, even the poor kid from a log cabin. The new one is that of the brilliant outsider, who, not being in the box, can come up with some amazingly easy answer to solve a long-standing problem. Like Steve Jobs re-imagining the phone, and changing everything.

Trump put himself forward as being that. The "outside-the-box" thinker. And he didn't have to explain his plan at that point. He could just say, "I've a plan..." And people imagined that it was something that would blow their minds once he told them what it was.

But since then, he's been exposed as (1) A terrible business man (which puts doubts on his claims that his business acumen makes him superior to career politicians in coming up with an economic plan), and (2) someone who is willing to rehash old ideas rather than presenting some new and astonishing ideas. So, it's not that the voters polled in July were stupid (though they were), or that now the voters polled are smart (they're not), it's just that Trump has pulled back the curtain, said "Ta-Da" and gotten the inevitable sad trombone reaction from his audience ("Wah-wah...That's it? That's all you've got?&quot . These numbers reflect those who've realized that the wizard ain't no wizard.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
12. "...almost certainly a direct result of....convention..."?? I think it's more a direct result...
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 04:39 PM
Aug 2016

...of Clinton saying exactly what she'll do to help the economy vs. Trump's first vague then incoherent, re-warmed Reganomics plan. I mean, could Trump have been any more lack-luster about that economic plan? He not only made it clear he hadn't come up with it, and hadn't written a word of it, but that he, himself, didn't understand it...which he probably didn't as an economics master-mind he is not.

If you're going to present an economic plan to people, you have to at least *SOUND* like you understand it and believe it will work. Which is why Reagan was able to sell his trickle-down to gullible voters in 1980. Of course, it probably helps that 2016 voters in states like Kansas, on hearing such ideas, now scream "Hell no!"

lark

(23,160 posts)
14. LOL
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 05:09 PM
Aug 2016

Too funny, drumpf gives a "major" speech on economics and his numbers plummet, who would have guessed.

moonscape

(4,674 posts)
17. This is so very sweet. Trump
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 06:16 PM
Aug 2016

gives a so-called economic speech, and his numbers on handling of the economy start to tank also.

Makes perfect sense.

Keep talking Trump. We're greedy - we want all 50. And the House.

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