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riversedge

(70,243 posts)
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 12:51 PM Aug 2016

Trump Catastrophe Gets Worse For GOP As Poll Hints Texas May Be In Play For Clinton

Source: politicususa





http://www.politicususa.com/2016/08/16/trump-catastrophe-worse-gop-poll-hints-texas-play-clinton.html



Trump Catastrophe Gets Worse For GOP As Poll Hints Texas May Be In Play For Clinton

By Jason Easley on Tue, Aug 16th, 2016 at 11:55 am



Donald Trump’s candidacy is quickly turning into a catastrophic GOP event, as a new poll of Texas shows Donald Trump with a relatively small 6 point lead over Hillary Clinton.

Keep in mind that it was only four years ago that Mitt Romney won Texas by 16 points while getting trounced nationally by President Obama.

The latest PPP poll of Texas found a closer than expected contest between Clinton and Trump:

PPP’s new Texas poll finds a relatively tight race, at least on the curve of recent Presidential election results in the state. Donald Trump leads with 44% to 38% for Hillary Clinton, 6% for Gary Johnson, 2% for Jill Stein, and less than half a percent (0) for Evan McMullin. In a head to head contest Trump leads Clinton 50-44 in the state, which Mitt Romney won by 16 points in 2012.........................





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Jerry Ford, Jr. ?@JerryFordJr 26m26 minutes ago Houston, TX

According to this new PPP poll Texas is more of a swing state then Virginia, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania. Trump up by only 6 #txlege
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Marcus Hawkins Verified account ?@HawkinsUSA 27m27 minutes ago

Two new Texas polls have Trump up just 6 (PPP) and 10 (DixieStrat) in TEXAS. The 8 point lead makes TX more competitive than VA, PA, NH, CO
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Trump Catastrophe Gets Worse For GOP As Poll Hints Texas May Be In Play For Clinton (Original Post) riversedge Aug 2016 OP
Wow! (to the headline. I didn't read the full article). C Moon Aug 2016 #1
keeping fingers and toes crossed.--for a Hillary TX victory. riversedge Aug 2016 #56
If we win or come close in TX, we'll probably flip the House. LonePirate Aug 2016 #2
as a Texan vlyons Aug 2016 #3
Trump has pissed off women, blacks, hispanics, and the LGBT community (Pence) Botany Aug 2016 #4
"Texas is about 40% with some kind of Hispanic background." Jarqui Aug 2016 #5
Keep talking about that wall Donny! Botany Aug 2016 #14
Only about 55% in Georgia are non-Hispanic white, Hortensis Aug 2016 #23
I expected this RandySF Aug 2016 #6
Forget Georgia and Arizona oswaldactedalone Aug 2016 #7
No - do not forget Georgia and Arizona. They are far better bets than Texas. yellowcanine Aug 2016 #13
The new battlegrounds to me right now are Jarqui Aug 2016 #17
Only West VA, Alabama, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Wyoming, and Idaho are solid red now Botany Aug 2016 #46
Places like Louisiana are only solid red because they haven't Jarqui Aug 2016 #50
Yes! The avalanche will clean out all types of deadwood that so needs flushing...and when tRUMP downeastdaniel Aug 2016 #8
Deadwood walking Botany Aug 2016 #15
Teh stoopid...it burns!!! (Just oozes off of his image!!!) - n/t Moostache Aug 2016 #25
Stop casting asparagus! SunSeeker Aug 2016 #27
UGH! My eyes! calimary Aug 2016 #36
Don't disparage this man's aspargus! TonyPDX Aug 2016 #38
Gohmert's constituants are considered "behind the Pine Curtain" Zen Democrat Aug 2016 #55
To flip Texas would be like...I can't even find the words, but it gives me lunamagica Aug 2016 #9
Happy chills I hope riversedge Aug 2016 #10
Oh, yes, beyond happiness! lunamagica Aug 2016 #29
That would be an E.L.E. for the republican party. displacedtexan Aug 2016 #11
And a well-deserved E.L.E. it would be! calimary Aug 2016 #37
This is why no one awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #12
It'll probably end up being pink instead of deep red, but I'd love if it turned blue! bananakabob Aug 2016 #16
Welcome to DU, bananakabob! calimary Aug 2016 #39
Hi! :D bananakabob Aug 2016 #43
Yep, good comparison. calimary Aug 2016 #58
Hopefully not ever! D: bananakabob Aug 2016 #59
This is what happens when women vote against their men. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #18
"Donald, you're supposed to ride UP the escalator!" sofa king Aug 2016 #19
Very costly fight RandySF Aug 2016 #20
YESSSS!!!! BlueMTexpat Aug 2016 #21
I totally LOVE... 3catwoman3 Aug 2016 #52
So do I! BlueMTexpat Aug 2016 #60
Just the hope of a blue Texas TwistedTinkerbelle Aug 2016 #22
Welcome to DU, TwistedTinkerbelle! calimary Aug 2016 #41
Thank you! TwistedTinkerbelle Aug 2016 #47
A Blue Texas would be,,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2016 #24
A blue Texas would be the end for the GoP on the national level. Lobo27 Aug 2016 #26
And Florida! moose65 Aug 2016 #28
In 1960 Texas was blue and California was red: ucrdem Aug 2016 #30
that was before all the racists jumped to the Repug party mdbl Aug 2016 #34
Dems need to register Latinos in Texas by the thousands! LuckyLib Aug 2016 #31
I'm not going to hold my breath. rivegauche Aug 2016 #32
very interesting as a Texas, I have thought my Dem vote was basically worthless. Javaman Aug 2016 #33
Somewhere up above, Molly Ivins is reading this and smiling down on her beloved Texas. forest444 Aug 2016 #35
Awww TwistedTinkerbelle Aug 2016 #48
She has impressively been working for Texas from the start. fun n serious Aug 2016 #40
It's about Cruz, not Hillary MosheFeingold Aug 2016 #42
I agree. But...... Old Vet Aug 2016 #51
Forgot about Bush MosheFeingold Aug 2016 #53
If DNC invests some money in Texas, a real possibility exist. I have beachbumbob Aug 2016 #44
Hope so, but... Spew Aug 2016 #45
I am trying to do my part. littlebit Aug 2016 #49
We Texas DUers have been telling you for years that Texas was going to go blue. Paladin Aug 2016 #54
Mississippi? yurbud Aug 2016 #57

Botany

(70,518 posts)
4. Trump has pissed off women, blacks, hispanics, and the LGBT community (Pence)
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 12:56 PM
Aug 2016

That math in Texas is getting much harder for Trump.

Texas is about 40% with some kind of Hispanic background.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
5. "Texas is about 40% with some kind of Hispanic background."
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:00 PM
Aug 2016

It's still shifting. In about 8 years time, it may well look like New Mexico demographics ... and the present form of the GOP's quest for the White House will be forever dead with Texas 38 electoral votes lost.

It's twilight time in American history for those racists.

Botany

(70,518 posts)
14. Keep talking about that wall Donny!
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:31 PM
Aug 2016

Georgia is now about 10% Hispanic too.

Tim Kaine's español is pretty damn good and I can see him going all over America
and into some really red states such as Nebraska that have growing Hispanic populations
and making the republicans job of staying power very tough on them.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Only about 55% in Georgia are non-Hispanic white,
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:22 PM
Aug 2016

not that I'll be pointing that out to my rural white neighbors, bless their hearts. Welcome to Georgia, Senator Kaine. Please bring your harmonica.

oswaldactedalone

(3,491 posts)
7. Forget Georgia and Arizona
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:02 PM
Aug 2016

The campaign is saving so much $$$ by going dark in what were once battleground states that we definitely should put money into Texas. Lots of electoral votes there and a handful of thug districts that could be turned.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
13. No - do not forget Georgia and Arizona. They are far better bets than Texas.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:21 PM
Aug 2016

South Carolina also. You get all three and it adds up to the same EVs as Texas.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
17. The new battlegrounds to me right now are
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:44 PM
Aug 2016

Georgia
Arizona
South Carolina (black vote)
Mississippi (black vote)
Missouri
Indiana (Clinton staff opened office there recently)
and then maybe
Texas

Louisiana may be vulnerable with large black vote too

Florida
Ohio
Iowa
Nevada
North Carolina
all remain as battlegrounds with Clinton ahead

If a Clinton scandal or Trump quitting doesn't happen, she could win 400+ EV

Botany

(70,518 posts)
46. Only West VA, Alabama, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Wyoming, and Idaho are solid red now
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 04:14 PM
Aug 2016
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#odds

BTW Ohio done for Trump.


As of 8/12/16 Trump has no office in Cincinnati, OH SW OH is the reddest part of the state.

I am really thinking that Trump's campaign is one big scam and I wonder how much money
he and his family are skimming off the top or pulling in on other scams such as Ivanka
pimping the dress she wore @ the RNC?

Trump's other SW OH offices are located in county republican HQs.


http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/blogs/2016/08/12/trump-opens-new-ohio-offices-none-hamilton-county/88631692/

Fewer than 90 days before the election, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump announced several offices in Ohio, but none are in key Hamilton County and many are inside county Republican Party headquarters.

Democrats have been critical of Trump's slow-to-organize ground game in the all-important swing state of Ohio. An internal email acquired by The Enquirer showed the campaign had yet to appoint key local leaders or open a campaign office in Hamilton County, a key swing county. No Republican, and few Democrats, have won the presidency without winning Ohio.

Amid that criticism, the Trump campaign announced 15 new campaign offices Friday. Last week, the campaign announced the opening of its headquarters in Columbus and the hiring of several key staff members, including a spokesman. Republican National Committee organizers have been in Ohio since 2013.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
50. Places like Louisiana are only solid red because they haven't
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 04:29 PM
Aug 2016

polled them in months

Louisiana's large black vote isn't going to help Trump.

http://www.electionprojection.com/latest-polls/louisiana-presidential-polls-trump-vs-clinton.php
http://electiongraphs.com/2016ec/polldata.php?Dem=Clinton&Rep=Trump&State=LA
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/la/louisiana_trump_vs_clinton-5696.html
HuffPost Pollster did not have a chart.

The pollsters haven't really caught on and adjusted for what is happening.

I'll bet a recent objective poll wouldn't have Louisiana solid red - more like a lean.

Trump is in desperate shape - more than twice as bad as McCain or Romney - looking like a 1984 landslide.

downeastdaniel

(497 posts)
8. Yes! The avalanche will clean out all types of deadwood that so needs flushing...and when tRUMP
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:05 PM
Aug 2016

Keeps shooting himself, the avalanche will continue to build, plus some dullards will wake up and come to their senses, and perhaps he'll tweet a concession...I love it.

Botany

(70,518 posts)
15. Deadwood walking
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:36 PM
Aug 2016

Last edited Tue Aug 16, 2016, 05:36 PM - Edit history (1)



Although Gohmert's district is home to the all American dumb ass.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
36. UGH! My eyes!
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:32 PM
Aug 2016

The main thing that bothers me every time I see or hear of this Neanderthal is not just him. It's his constituents! It's the voters in his district, who somehow find him fit to send back to Congress from the 2004 election on. What the ever-lovin' fuck is wrong with THEM?

I blame the voters there for this dismal piece of hopelessly regressive Bronze-Age shit afflicting all of us.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
55. Gohmert's constituants are considered "behind the Pine Curtain"
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 05:33 PM
Aug 2016

That's the Deep Piney Woods area of East Central Texas abutting the Shreveport, LA area. Full of klansmen and 2nd amendment freaks, people holding dear to the Old Confederacy, and definitely pro-White Nation. He may be there until that mentality dies with the haters who vote for him.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
11. That would be an E.L.E. for the republican party.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:11 PM
Aug 2016

I was in grad school in Austin when Poppy Bush started offering dirt cheap land and huge tax breaks to corporations in other states. By the time he was VP, there were more out-of-state license plates in Austin than Lone Star ones, and the LBJ Texas I had grown up in was disappearing rapidly.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
12. This is why no one
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:20 PM
Aug 2016

should assume their vote doesn't count. Living in Texas, historically my vote hasn't counted, but somtimes history can be made.

 

bananakabob

(105 posts)
16. It'll probably end up being pink instead of deep red, but I'd love if it turned blue!
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:43 PM
Aug 2016

Trump is going to regret going so negative against Cruz, though. He's a New Yorker with not a lot of pure conservative values (corporate, yes, not conservative).

calimary

(81,322 posts)
39. Welcome to DU, bananakabob!
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:36 PM
Aug 2016

Yeah, not holding my breath. But one can hope! Maybe after this round in November, it'll be more purple than red. As the demographics shift, I suspect the blue tint will come right on its heels.

 

bananakabob

(105 posts)
43. Hi! :D
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:43 PM
Aug 2016


Texas is going to shift blue very soon anyway because of demographics if the GOP doesn't change course and change their policies. But seeing it go from "lock for the Republicans" to being pink is just bananas. It'd be like if California flipped Republican one election.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
58. Yep, good comparison.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:45 PM
Aug 2016

And California is NOT going to flip to the CONS. Not this cycle, not next cycle, not for the foreseeable future. Especially considering OUR demographics out here are shifting, too, and in all the directions favorable to Dems.

 

bananakabob

(105 posts)
59. Hopefully not ever! D:
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:51 PM
Aug 2016

The libertarian tech bros keep trying to split up the state though I'm worried that they'll be successful!

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
21. YESSSS!!!!
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:04 PM
Aug 2016

This may be a good moment to mention one of my own favorite Texans - the wonderful Helen of "Margaret and Helen."

Trump is a chump. https://margaretandhelen.com/2016/08/16/trump-is-a-chump/


TwistedTinkerbelle

(137 posts)
22. Just the hope of a blue Texas
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:21 PM
Aug 2016

is enough to get a fire started under the Democratic voters who think their vote is useless. I had hoped, as weird as this election cycle has been, for HRC to behind just 10 points going into election day--but 6..6 gives us at least a shot at a possible turn around.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
41. Welcome to DU, TwistedTinkerbelle!
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:39 PM
Aug 2016

I think because of the changing demographics, it will eventually happen. Not if, but when.

I did read recently that Hillary has - I think - a dozen or so campaign offices up and running in Texas already, while I think Trump has one.

TwistedTinkerbelle

(137 posts)
47. Thank you!
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 04:16 PM
Aug 2016

Yep...there are offices in Austin, Dallas, San Antonio and Houston. I'm sure there are more. My county is in touch with the one in Dallas. So she does have an anchor here so to speak. Yea!

Lobo27

(753 posts)
26. A blue Texas would be the end for the GoP on the national level.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:36 PM
Aug 2016

Last edited Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:49 PM - Edit history (1)

Imagine a Democrat winning California, Texas, and New York.

moose65

(3,167 posts)
28. And Florida!
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:53 PM
Aug 2016

California and New York are in the bag for Team Blue, and I think Florida is too (at least on the Presidential level). If Texas flipped to blue, Republicans would be fucked - there is literally NO path to victory for them without Texas. After the 4 big states comes Illinois, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Illinois is blue and Pennsylvania pretty much is (again, for President). The GOP's biggest prize would then be Ohio! We can dream!

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
34. that was before all the racists jumped to the Repug party
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:18 PM
Aug 2016

There were a lot of dixiecrats back then just couldn't handle civil rights. so they went where they could continue their segregated thinking, turning those southern states red.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
40. She has impressively been working for Texas from the start.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:38 PM
Aug 2016

Not just for this election but for the future of the dem party. Go Hillary! Turn USA blue!

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
42. It's about Cruz, not Hillary
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:42 PM
Aug 2016

Trump was exceptionally nasty to Cruz, the favored son of Texas.

Trump is also a brash NYer and not remotely consistently conservative enough for the purists in Texas.

And things like Ivanka and Chelsea being best buds irk them, etc.

Long story short, don't put too much into this.

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
51. I agree. But......
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 04:30 PM
Aug 2016

Texas sure as hell is pissed at Trump for how he treated Bush and Cruz, BUT they sure as hell wont vote for Clinton.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
53. Forgot about Bush
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 04:58 PM
Aug 2016

Ha. That certainly adds to it.

But, yes, Texans are mad at Trump. It's not turning blue. People will just stay home, I would think.

I was in Austin recently. It was a strange collection of Bernie supporters and Cruz supporters at a meeting for a Jewish charity.

The big hit was when someone brought out "Vote Giant Meteor 2016 -- End it Now" signs.

They were being bought by both ends of the spectrum.

Spew

(17 posts)
45. Hope so, but...
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 04:07 PM
Aug 2016

I had hopes for Wendy Davis, and she was thoroughly trounced - even losing among Texas women, and Abbott was very open about coming for your uterus. Yeah, she didn't run the best campaign, but the red stain is still strong here.

Although I've also heard it's not so much the GOP as it is lots of non-voters content to let others control their future. To turn Texas blue, Team D needs to hammer old-fashioned GOTV efforts.

littlebit

(1,728 posts)
49. I am trying to do my part.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 04:27 PM
Aug 2016

I have manage to convince a few of my republican coworkers that Hillary is a great candidate. I have got the same response from all of them. They tell me that they didn't know most of the things she has accomplished. Hopefully more will come around before Nov

Paladin

(28,265 posts)
54. We Texas DUers have been telling you for years that Texas was going to go blue.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 05:19 PM
Aug 2016

I'm not sure it will happen this time around, but be assured: happen it will. There's no denying social and ethnic trends in the state.

So those of you who are so fond of accusing the entire population of Texas of being a bunch of Rick Perry wannabes, those of you who mindlessly group millions of Texas Democrats with the current hyper-conservative, hyper-male, hyper-white power structure: get it the fuck out of your systems and find a new target for your brain-dead prejudice.

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