But historians would argue otherwise.

Polish peasants and villagers played an instrumental role in rounding up and denouncing Jews during the Holocaust, often taking initiative without any encouragement from the Germans, according to a soon-to-be-published study by Holocaust historian Jan Grabowski.

In “Hunt for the Jews: Betrayal and Murder in German-Occupied Poland,” Grabowski argues that Poles living in the countryside served as enthusiastic accomplices to the Nazis and that many Jews who had managed to survive the ghettos and escape transports to the death camps eventually lost their lives only because they were turned in by their Polish neighbors. The book is scheduled for publication in October by the Indiana University Press.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/new-case-study-explores-role-of-polish-peasants-in-holocaust-atrocities.premium-1.503742

And not one of them will bother questioning if they just might be misinformed.

as the implication that Poles were a driving force of the Holocaust. There seems to be no concern that the Nazi perpetrators are the ones that are benefiting from the revisionism of incorrect terminology.

mention. I don't see anyone saying there was no anti-Semitism or complicity by any Poles, but the implications of the term "Polish Death Camps" are completely out of balance with the truth.

Polish Death Camps supports.

who denies that:

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Poland

Prior to World War II, antisemitism in Poland had been growing, and Polish authorities had taken various measures to exclude Jews from key sectors of society. Some Polish politicians pressed for the mass emigration of Poland’s Jewish population.

Following the German invasion of Poland in 1939, the country was divided between Germany and the Soviet Union. Then in 1941, after the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, all of Poland came under German control.

Poland was brutally occupied by the Germans. The Nazis viewed Poles as racially inferior and targeted Poland’s leadership for destruction, killing tens of thousands of Catholic priests, intellectuals, teachers, and political leaders. Over 1.5 million Poles were deported as forced laborers. In total, at least 2.5 million non-Jewish Polish civilians and soldiers perished.

With the occupation of all of Poland, Germany now had more than three million Polish Jews under its control. The Germans established close to 700 ghettos throughout occupied Poland where tens of thousands of Jews died due to harsh conditions of starvation, overcrowding, and disease.

After killing in mass shootings almost 1.5 million Jews in hundreds of locations in occupied Soviet territories, the Germans decided to construct stationary killing centers in occupied Poland, Auschwitz-Birkenau being the most well known. The ghettos became “holding pens” for Jews before deportation to a killing center.

As German forces implemented the killing, they drew upon some Polish agencies, such as Polish police forces and railroad personnel, in the guarding of ghettos and the deportation of Jews to the killing centers. Individual Poles often helped in the identification, denunciation, and hunting down of Jews in hiding, often profiting from the associated blackmail, and actively participated in the plunder of Jewish property.

There were incidents, particularly in the small towns of eastern Poland, where local Polish residents—acutely aware of the Germans’ presence and their antisemitic policies—carried out or participated in pogroms and murdered their Jewish neighbors. The pogrom in the town of Jedwabne in 1941 is one of the best-documented cases.

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https://www.ushmm.org/information/press/press-releases/collaboration-and-complicity-during-the-holocaust


It is possible, at the same time, to be both victim and perpetrator.

The seminal work, "The Destruction of European Jewry" by the late Raul Hilberg, considered the "father" of holocaust studies, contains many examples of Polish collaboration with the Nazi Regime.

Raul Hilberg (June 2, 1926 – August 4, 2007) was an Austrian-born American political scientist and historian. He was widely considered to be the world's preeminent[1][2][3] scholar of the Holocaust, and his three-volume, 1,273-page magnum opus, The Destruction of the European Jews, is regarded as a seminal study of the Nazi Final Solution.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raul_Hilberg

including many in the US. What's your point? Do you have any fking clue what went on in Poland?

So much derp in this thread, it's giving me a headache.

I can't tell if people are really that fucking dumb, if they're just trolling, or if they truly are constitutionally compelled to be "that guy".

I suspect you just watched an episode of Happy Days when Fonzie is water-skiing and jumps over a shark infested cage.

I suspect you think it's the best episode. Ever.

Since we're merely speculating and all...

Yay First Amendment!

I can't help but wonder what it is about the freedom to call the Nazi death camps "Polish Death Camps" that gives you particular joy.

Both would be terrible. I just like that something that would cost someone 3 years of their life won't do the same here. Poland is powerless over people in this country that want to continue say it. Especially since Poland seems to be attempting to erase that part of their past.

The part where German psychopath Adolf Hitler's minions invaded their country, built death camps, and massacred millions of their citizens?

"faulty nomenclature"

Jew-killers & Nazi enablers

Yeah, the Poles just couldn't stop killing Jews even after the war ended. My grandmother hated Poland even more than Germany if that's even possible.

They gonna put him in prison?

It is amazing there is a Poland today.

they?

Which isn't the case. They were German death camps in occupied Poland. This is an insane excessive overreaction obviously, but I can understand completely why Poland isn't fond of the use of this phrase.

history.

If there were death camps in Poland, there's no reason not to call them Polish death camps, regardless of who was running them. This seems to me like a revisionist attempt to minimize Polish complicity in the Holocaust.

What's next - will Poland deny that average Poles enthusiastically helped to round up and kill Jews in villages and towns all over Poland?

of protecting Jews from the Holocaust and why? How should we acknowledge other country's complicity such as France or the US?

under occupation or not.

The problem is that there are a bunch of f**kwit politicians who want to suppress the historical truth. They have a problem with the Polish death camps simply because they deny that there was any Polish complicity whatsoever in the Holocaust.

Auschwitz, Sobibor, Belzec etc. as Nazi death camps we should call them Polish death camps to keep things historically accurate. Meanwhile events such as Vel' d'Hiv Roundup, where the French police actively went over and above what the Gestapo asked- additionally rounding up over 4000 children under 16 for extermination, continue to fade into history.

I believe a prison sentence is ridiculous but the Poles have a valid point about the terminology. More Poles have been honored as Righteous Among the Nations than any other country, by a wide margin.

The term "Polish death camps" is a geographic reference, and has always been used that way. While it would perhaps be more correct to call them "death camps in Poland", it's still easier to just rattle off "Polish death camps".

This is the real problem:

Two Senior Polish Ministers Deny Poles' Involvement in Massacres of Jews
Source: Haaretz Jul 17, 2016

Denying that many Poles were anti-Semitic and in some cases complicit is wrong. But the death camps in Poland were created by the German Nazis. They were Nazi Death Camps. The term Polish Death Camps implies something entirely different.

Poles helped with the killing of Polish Jews. The only problem is that there are some politicians in Poland who want to rewrite history. They shouldn't be allowed to succeed, so here's an article about how ordinary Poles participated in the Holocaust:

The Summer Polish Jews Were Hunted
Source: The Forward January 21, 2015

Polish Death Camps instead of the far more accurate Nazi Death Camps in Poland, because subtleties like that contribute to obscuring the truth. Read the last sentence in your own excerpt.

The death camps shouldn't be referred to as Polish and Poland shouldn't deny the role some of its citizens had in the Holocaust. Pretty simple and consistent.

Bringing up the fact some Polish citizens hunted Jews to justify referring to the Nazi death camps as Polish is basically arguing two wrongs make a right here.

If the term "Polish death camps" actually confuses people, it should be discouraged, but the thing is that most people seem to have no problem understanding the meaning of the term.

because it was a reference to the location of the death camps, in Poland.

But now it is absolutely verboten to use that term. Now the acceptable term is "Nazi death camps in Poland." But to send to prison anyone who accidentally uses the former term? That's madness.

so that they don't make such incorrect assumptions?

But, there is no question that terminology is important. Propaganda depends heavily on language.

But anyone who saw or heard about the movie Shoah knows precisely WHY they put those camps in Poland. To this day, the anti semitism there is off the charts. They deserve nothing but scorn for trying to pretend otherwise.

9 were in Poland. Exactly as many as there were in Germany. Other countries share the remaining few percents. The logical, valid and legitimate question is : why would a well-oiled killing enterprise locate his facilities here rather than there?

The antisemitism today is no different than the antisemitism then. Two of my grandparents escaped from that shithole BEFORE the nazis got there due to it.