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Lars77

(3,032 posts)
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 07:08 AM Jun 2012

Mali: Islamists attack Timbuktu heritage sites

Source: AP

TIMBUKTU, Mali -- A resident of the northern Mali city of Timbuktu says Islamists who control the town are trying to destroy tombs classified as UNESCO World Heritage sites.

Ali Yattara said Saturday that the Islamists began attacking the saints' tombs with shovels. He says they said they were responding to UNESCO's request last week that the sites be put on the organization's "in danger" list.

UNESCO has said that two World Heritage sites in Mali - Timbuktu and the tomb of Askia - are threatened by conflict between competing rebel groups who have taken over the north.

Islamist fighters with ties to al-Qaida have declared that they control the northern half of Mali after driving out an ethnic Tuareg separatist group.


Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/30/4601404/mali-islamists-attack-timbuktu.html



I guess it must be this place.



Read more about Timbuktu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu
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Mali: Islamists attack Timbuktu heritage sites (Original Post) Lars77 Jun 2012 OP
I hate it when that happens. aquart Jun 2012 #1
I agree; completely disrespectful of culture, history & ancestors and wordpix Jul 2012 #17
Hope the vandals suffer the same fate as Mad Carew dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #2
hardly a chance may3rd Jun 2012 #6
Thanks for that. Quantess Jun 2012 #8
5 years, that's all we got may3rd Jul 2012 #15
Ziggy Stardust & the Spiders From Mars is one of my favorite albums of all time. Quantess Jul 2012 #18
yes, Bowie loved science fiction movies also may3rd Jul 2012 #22
Oh I really hope those savages back the fuck off these treasures. nt Lucky Luciano Jun 2012 #3
Sad K&R. Overseas Jun 2012 #4
..if they find them offensive may3rd Jun 2012 #5
Lunatics. Mz Pip Jun 2012 #7
Religious lunatics are a threat to humanity! Odin2005 Jun 2012 #9
Rock-climbing wall? Igel Jun 2012 #10
"Islamist fighters with ties to al-Qaida" = safe to blow up.. n/t IamK Jun 2012 #11
What more proof needed ? Some ARE more equal that others may3rd Jun 2012 #12
Algeria jihadists arrive in Mali to reinforce "Islamists" may3rd Jun 2012 #13
I wish the UN could help communicate the value of historic sites to those frenzied with zeal Overseas Jun 2012 #14
wtf- don't destroy it.... Marrah_G Jul 2012 #16
Mali Islamists to continue destroying UNESCO sites maddezmom Jul 2012 #19
BBC World Service reporting that the destruction has been continuing. Overseas Jul 2012 #20
Some don't see it that way may3rd Jul 2012 #21
Might makes right? Really? Lars77 Jul 2012 #23
You can get up and go make it right may3rd Jul 2012 #24
Defiant Mali Islamists pursue wrecking of Timbuktu Eugene Jul 2012 #25

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
17. I agree; completely disrespectful of culture, history & ancestors and
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jul 2012

I have no need to learn about these vandals' "issues" when they do this. They're getting attention but no sympathy.

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
6. hardly a chance
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 11:33 AM
Jun 2012

They will be heroes

......
Meet his little hussy with his ghost town approach
Her face is sans feature, but she wears a Dali brooch

Sweetly reminiscent, something mother used to bake
Wrecked up and paralyzed, Diamond Dogs are sableized







It's best to look the other way....out of sight....

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
8. Thanks for that.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:09 PM
Jun 2012

I could never make out some of the lyrics. David Bowie has some really good lyrics. Recognize this one?

"Cop melts and kisses the feet of a priest
and the queer threw up at the sight of that"

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
18. Ziggy Stardust & the Spiders From Mars is one of my favorite albums of all time.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:12 PM
Jul 2012

I was just a baby when it came out. Amazingly I chanced to hear it "again for the first time" as a teenager, and it was the weirdest feeling because I had obviously heard it a million times in early childhood, but then never heard it again until I was a teen.

The entire album is kind of ...timeless. Definitely in my top 10.

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
22. yes, Bowie loved science fiction movies also
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 05:56 PM
Jul 2012

imo,
Bowie has a wide brush in the music world


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Mz Pip

(27,454 posts)
7. Lunatics.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 11:48 AM
Jun 2012

What is it about religious nutjobs that they feel compelled to destroy graves? What kind of anger makes someone do something like that?

Human history is littered with destruction caused by overzealous religious beliefs. Seems we really haven't come very far in all these thousands of years.

Igel

(35,362 posts)
10. Rock-climbing wall?
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 04:13 PM
Jun 2012

One stop shopping: inspiration (presumably) and exercise.


In a possibly snarkier note, the ground they're on is probably considered public property: waqf or some such. That said, the shrine a religious monument on public property, and a monument that the current government considers offensive and inappropriate (even if others don't). Perhaps if the worshippers moved it to private property and didn't make a public spectacle of it, an accommodation could be worked out.

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
12. What more proof needed ? Some ARE more equal that others
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 04:54 PM
Jun 2012
Ignorance is bliss
defined;....

something you don't know can't affect you (good or bad). So, you remain unenlightened




submit or be cast out
 

may3rd

(593 posts)
13. Algeria jihadists arrive in Mali to reinforce "Islamists"
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 05:07 PM
Jun 2012

"About 30 Algerian jihadists arrived in Gao on Friday to assist in securing the town and hunting down rebels" from the Tuaregs' National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA), a regional security source said.

He said they had come to join Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) leader Mokhtar Belmokhtar, who is currently in Gao.

......The Tuareg, who had kickstarted the rebellion with an eye for independence of northern Mali, or Azawad, did not agree with the Islamists who wanted a state based on strict Islamic law, which they have already enforced.

......

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j5Sb4gi1N6X45KGC0E8xPUZaYmFw?docId=CNG.262300e1fe08b3deae5dc6fa4e31972d.7d1


Is it time to say ;
"If we can't change them, we must change ourselves"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-briggs/islamist-is-it-time-to-reconsider-the-term_b_1624319.html

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
14. I wish the UN could help communicate the value of historic sites to those frenzied with zeal
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:16 PM
Jun 2012

all over the world.

New religions so often roar in with such egotistical zeal and trash the temples of their predecessors and ancestors.

Rather than appreciating and preserving the continuum of religious imagination in their history.

I hope more countries go ahead and separate church and state, in the interest of religious freedom and diversity in our imaginations.

I hope Americans mucking things up, allowing hateful Christianists to permeate our government too, won't crush the goals of countries that want to establish democracies that consider citizens' religious views their own private affair...

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
19. Mali Islamists to continue destroying UNESCO sites
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:27 PM
Jul 2012

Mali Islamists to continue destroying UNESCO sites

By BABA AHMED, Associated Press – 11 minutes ago

BAMAKO, Mali (AP) — Islamist rebels said Sunday they will continue to destroy historic sites in Mali's northern city of Timbuktu before they implement strict Shariah law, as Mali's government compared the destruction to "war crimes" and said they would seek international justice.

Ansar Dine spokesman Sanda Abu Mohamed said Sunday that Islamists will continue the destruction they started Saturday.

"We're going to destroy everything before we apply Shariah in this city," he said.

Resident Moussa Maiga said the Islamists have expressed disapproval of what they think is worship of the tombs of the Muslim saints.

more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jApYcMMCRSeeI_-iCOuZccLRr6tQ?docId=86e21e2efbe34fcab2357a1c839a24f8

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
21. Some don't see it that way
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 05:49 PM
Jul 2012

keeping preserved false gods in the form of saint/scholar recognition is considered a form of idol worship
and that is forbidden in the more 'intimidating' sects of islam


http://www.newsy.com/videos/islamist-fighters-destroy-timbuktu-tombs/#ooid=tiMzVhNTq_WrAoAqmkJgRW6x5-Ed-eL8


might makes right

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
24. You can get up and go make it right
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:20 PM
Jul 2012

I myself wouldn't lose my head over a promise they made 11 weeks ago.



Fighters in Timbuktu announce Islamic state
Apr 13, 2012




You go make it right, get back to us.


oh wait.
That would take an army, wouldn't it?

Eugene

(61,964 posts)
25. Defiant Mali Islamists pursue wrecking of Timbuktu
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 08:52 AM
Jul 2012

Source: Reuters

Defiant Mali Islamists pursue wrecking of Timbuktu

BAMAKO | Mon Jul 2, 2012 8:28am EDT

(Reuters) - Al Qaeda-linked Islamists in Timbuktu broke down the door to a 15th century mosque on Monday that locals believed had to stay shut until the end of the world, defying international calls to halt the destruction of holy sites in the UNESCO-listed city.

In a third day of attacks on historic and religious landmarks that UNESCO has called "wanton destruction", the Islamists targeted the ancient Sidi Yahya mosque as they tried to erase traces of what they regard as un-Islamic idolatry.

"In legend, it is said that the main gate of Sidi Yahya mosque will not be opened until the last day (of the world)," Alpha Abdoulahi, the town imam, told Reuters by telephone.

Yet eight Islamist fighters had smashed down the door to the mosque early on Monday, saying they wanted to "destroy the mystery" of the ancient entrance, he said.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/02/us-mali-crisis-idUSBRE8610JQ20120702
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