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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 08:10 PM Sep 2016

Edward Snowden hits out at critical report into his activities

Source: BBC

Edward Snowden has dismissed a report by the House of Representatives intelligence committee that heavily criticised his activities.

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The report comes a day after two right groups launched a campaign for President Obama to pardon Mr Snowden.

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The release of the report, two years in the making, also coincides with that of the film "Snowden", directed by Oliver Stone.

In a series of tweets, Mr Snowden dismissed the report's findings, writing: "Their report is so artlessly distorted that it would be amusing if it weren't such a serious act of bad faith."

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Amnesty International and the American Civil Liberties Union launched their 'Pardon Snowden' campaign on Wednesday, urging President Obama to do so before he leaves office in January 2017.

Amnesty said no-one should be prosecuted for exposing human rights violations, which, it claimed, is what "indiscriminate mass surveillance of communications" amounts to.

The ACLU acts as Snowden's legal adviser, and called him "a great American who deserves clemency for his patriotic acts".

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37380274

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Edward Snowden hits out at critical report into his activities (Original Post) bananas Sep 2016 OP
Way to earn that pardon he's looking for! George II Sep 2016 #1
Comrade Snowden needs to keep his ass in Russia. vdogg Sep 2016 #2
Exactly! dawn frenzy adams Sep 2016 #3
Screw Him.. He's redefining the term "coward" IMO... REALforever Sep 2016 #4
I would love to have sex with Edward. I think he is hot as hell but I'm certain that is not what Purveyor Sep 2016 #13
Can't get avoid the fact that Snowden was gung-ho for the NSA before the black guy got in the WH. baldguy Sep 2016 #5
He also wanted people who did what he did to be "shot in the balls" jmowreader Sep 2016 #15
Perhaps Greenwald can pardon him. still_one Sep 2016 #6
To DU'ers who hate Snowden, I respectfully disagree... ancianita Sep 2016 #7
Overall Congressional approval ratings are meaningless. TwilightZone Sep 2016 #8
If he had stuck with revealing only surveillance at home vdogg Sep 2016 #11
How else would he prove surveillance at home BUT by revealing programs, methods, etc. ancianita Sep 2016 #12
Beautiful post! 90-percent Sep 2016 #18
I agree with your thoughts GummyBearz Sep 2016 #21
Yeah, like we don't 'know' that the Trump family is racist. randome Sep 2016 #24
You know so much GummyBearz Sep 2016 #27
+1 cureautismnow Sep 2016 #19
Using a stolen password? BlueInPhilly Sep 2016 #29
Heh heh ... neither is stealing a loaf of bread ... or medicine from a pharmacy when mom's sick ancianita Sep 2016 #32
Then maybe he can live in one of those countries BlueInPhilly Sep 2016 #17
Well said. (eom) CanSocDem Sep 2016 #25
Come Home, Justice awaits ur arrival! Cryptoad Sep 2016 #9
If he comes home, christx30 Sep 2016 #16
Went straight to Putin with the Hacker Espionage crew alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #10
Not really GummyBearz Sep 2016 #22
What places are on the list besides Russia? Blue_Adept Sep 2016 #23
None. True, some don't have extradition with the US, but Russia is the only country our special ancianita Sep 2016 #33
he isn't a real "hacker", just a low level IT person who stole some passwords snooper2 Sep 2016 #26
Snowden hates Obama and loves Putin Democat Sep 2016 #14
Snowden is KGB all the way! stonecutter357 Sep 2016 #20
The summary and the letter to Obama leave little doubt: Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #28
So does Snowden have any proof for his rebuttal other than whiny tweets? Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #30
I agree w/ ACLU,clemency for his patriotic acts. & Some kind of charges for the crimes & who helped. Sunlei Sep 2016 #31
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
13. I would love to have sex with Edward. I think he is hot as hell but I'm certain that is not what
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 12:57 AM
Sep 2016

you meant.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
5. Can't get avoid the fact that Snowden was gung-ho for the NSA before the black guy got in the WH.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 08:43 PM
Sep 2016

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
15. He also wanted people who did what he did to be "shot in the balls"
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 01:14 AM
Sep 2016

Yeah, leave Comrade Eddie in Russia. It's the best place for him.

ancianita

(36,094 posts)
7. To DU'ers who hate Snowden, I respectfully disagree...
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 09:30 PM
Sep 2016

Congress' job approval ratings are at an all-time historic low -- as most of us here know, it's lowlowlow -- and the BBC and PBS want to give our Congress credibility.

What. A. Laugh.

Not one of our representatives has done as much good for the common American citizen as Edward Snowden has. But PBS and the BBC would have us believe whatever paper this country's low-life tools of corporate secrecy and global predation throw at us.

Seriously?

Snowden's disclosures led to a series of lawsuits challenging the legality of mass surveillance programs, that prompted President Barack Obama to abandon his support for the dragnet collection of domestic phone records.

That alone makes Snowden -- supported by Daniel Ellsworth and all other living intelligence community whistleblowers -- a whistleblower. If he's good enough for Daniel Ellsberg, he's good enough for me, and he should be good enough for the rest of America.

In Germany and Italy, 84 percent of adults familiar with Snowden view him positively. The figure is about 80 percent in France, the Netherlands and Spain.

Australians aware of Snowden give him a 64 percent favorability rating. A 58 percent majority of Canadians, a 54 percent majority of Britons and a 51 percent majority of New Zealand residents familiar with Snowden view him favorably. 56 percent of Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 have a positive opinion of Snowden.

There are monuments to him, along with other world whistleblowers. Snowden has been recognized and awarded with international prizes.

Anti-Snowden people here should at least acknowledge that a feature of the typical American mindset is to denigrate many great things from America that are more appreciated outside America than at home -- Michael Moore's "Where To Invade Next" shows us that, from jazz to public bathrooms -- and that our own allies understand Ed Snowden's importance in aiding and abetting the freedoms of American citizens way more than his detractors here do.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
8. Overall Congressional approval ratings are meaningless.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 09:51 PM
Sep 2016

Everyone loves their own and hate the rest. It's been like that for decades.

The reason is obvious: they get stuff from theirs. The others, not so much.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
11. If he had stuck with revealing only surveillance at home
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 10:11 PM
Sep 2016

He would've been fine, but he didn't. He revealed sources and methods and targets of our surveillance activities abroad, which makes him a traitor. The CIA and NSA are supposed to conduct espionage abroad, that's the whole reason for their existence. Unfortunately, there are people who do wish to do us harm, and collection of intelligence is a necessary activity to keep us safe. That man is not a hero.

ancianita

(36,094 posts)
12. How else would he prove surveillance at home BUT by revealing programs, methods, etc.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 10:56 PM
Sep 2016

By the way, Snowden had no sources. He is the source of what we now know, though his detractors claim to have "known already" what everyone knows these claimants could never have accessed proof of.

There were programmers of surveillance programs, staff-line personnel at the NSA who supervised surveillance whom he never named. There were subordinates who colluded to surveil our allies whom he didn't name. Just how do you know he "revealed sources." Link proof or take it back. The only "source" Snowden revealed is the NSA.

When you reveal to your own people the breaking of constitutional laws by your government against you, and you prove -- naming programs, methods and corporate recipients of industrial espionage, another "service" the NSA provides, yes, for-profit espionage for our Wall St. boys that goes on against companies doing business for our allies -- that thereby, an ongoing governmental lawbreaking is taking place against you, and against your allies in your name, you are a whistleblower, not a traitor.

We Americans have never been safer because our Constitutional rights to privacy are being criminally stolen, our surveillance rubber stamped by a secret FISA court, and access to our Androids and Samsungs chipped in by the NSA's warehouses at point of import. We were the people Snowden was looking out for.

Obama's actions admitted as such. Obama knew we haven't been safer because Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and subjected civilians to military trials. We've learned we weren't safer when Franklin Roosevelt approved the internment of Japanese-Americans. Even President Obama's own Attorney General, Eric Holder, has refused to call what Snowden did a crime. We're not safer by demanding he be treated like a criminal.

And do you really think we're safer when President Obama—who has already endorsed the worst of George W. Bush's civil-liberties violations, the the indefinite suspension of habeas corpus and the indefinite jailing of suspects without trial -- calls Snowden a "traitor"? Or when Congress labels our homeland a legal "battleground," yet only one foreign enemy has been convicted? Or when we're told to strip out at airports? Honestly?

The official label of "traitor" only comes from the Espionage Act. But the real problem occurs not in its words but in how sloppy McCarthy types apply the word. Of the 1,500 arrests made under the law during President Wilson's war, when it was drafted, only 10 involved actual sabotage.

Richard Nixon tried use the law to retaliate against Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg, who from the beginning has called Edward Snowden a whistleblower. Who should be the expert on defining whistleblowing. Have you noticed him take back his words lately?

And now all this cyber war intrigue that implicates Snowden is speculative crap meant to be some cheap populist case building by people desperate to "get" any enemy they can scapegoat with a story. We own the trans-oceanic cables to every continent. We could shut down networks if the NSA told its contractors to do so. We know how to build firewalls right and left, because my son works for a Silicon Valley company that does just that.

Our history of labeling people traitors is shameful. I'm sick of all this traitor talk.

People need to go after the 26 CEO's who are traitorously destroying American soil and water in the Dakotas. I know their names if there are any lawyers around who want to join the legal teams that should press the Justice Department, governors and AG's of the Dakotas.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
18. Beautiful post!
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 02:23 AM
Sep 2016

9/11 opened the floodgates for suspending our constitutional rights. The current tyrannical power our government has turned up to 11 needs all the whistleblowers it can get.

Snowden is a hero and a patriot in my book. I find it remarkable he is so disdained here on DU.

-90% Jiimmy

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
21. I agree with your thoughts
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 08:55 AM
Sep 2016

Let me just add the only reason he is disdained on DU is because he blew the whistle "too late". If he had done the exact same thing when Bush was president instead of when Obama was president every single poster on this board would be petitioning to get him pardoned.

They even admit it with things like "he only did this because a black man became president"... like they could even know this

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. Yeah, like we don't 'know' that the Trump family is racist.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 09:34 AM
Sep 2016

We go by the evidence. When Bush was President, leakers "should be shot in the balls", according to Snowden. What's different now, other than the President?
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GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
27. You know so much
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 09:53 AM
Sep 2016

When I was 18 I knew everything as well, and I voted all republicans. Years later I had a change of heart and mind and have voted D ever since. People's mindset can change, what a concept

BlueInPhilly

(870 posts)
17. Then maybe he can live in one of those countries
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 02:14 AM
Sep 2016

you mentioned: France, Netherlands, Spain, Canada, UK... since they like him so much.

Even if Obama granted him pardon, the intelligence community would be up in arms about it. They all view him as a traitor. His "whistleblowing" was regressive to the anti-terrorism efforts. When you get a top-secret clearance (poly and all), you also sign an oath. He violated that oath.

He could have gone to Congress who would have probably impeached Obama over it. He could have contacted his Senator or representative. But he didn't.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
16. If he comes home,
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 01:29 AM
Sep 2016

they are going to throw him in a hole and forget where they left the hole. He'll never say another word in public again.
By staying in Russia, he can at least talk about what he knows. I wouldn't trust one word or assurance from the US justice system.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
10. Went straight to Putin with the Hacker Espionage crew
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 09:59 PM
Sep 2016

Curious, that. Just the infiltrated tip of the spear for the Russian hack offensive. Was Snowden involved in the DNC hack? The Colin Powell hack? Why'd he run straight to Russia.

Curiouser and curiouser.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
22. Not really
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 09:01 AM
Sep 2016

The choice between fleeing or going to prison for a false crime isn't too hard to make. And when the full power of the US government is the thing trying to wrongfully imprison you, the list of places you can flee to are short, but include Russia

ancianita

(36,094 posts)
33. None. True, some don't have extradition with the US, but Russia is the only country our special
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 04:29 PM
Sep 2016

forces can't invade without detection and great risk of capture.

We could cut deals with other countries, but Russia's political goals and temperament make our military people back off.

Even if Obama does give Putin the death stare, he's out and the next guy up better not fuck things up abroad.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
26. he isn't a real "hacker", just a low level IT person who stole some passwords
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 09:49 AM
Sep 2016

He couldn't hack his way out of a wet toilet paper wall LOL

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
31. I agree w/ ACLU,clemency for his patriotic acts. & Some kind of charges for the crimes & who helped.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 11:56 AM
Sep 2016
The ACLU acts as Snowden's legal adviser, and called him "a great American who deserves clemency for his patriotic acts
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