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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 11:36 PM Sep 2016

Donald Trump's lead widens in USC/L.A. Times tracking poll

Source: LA Times

Donald Trump's lead over Hillary Clinton in the USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times national tracking poll grew to nearly six percentage points on Thursday, his largest advantage since his post-convention bounce in July.

The biggest reason appears to be an increase in the likelihood of Trump supporters who say they plan to vote, combined with a drop among Clinton supporters on that question. The nominees are now roughly equal in the voting commitment of their supporters, erasing an advantage previously held by Clinton.

The poll shows Trump leading Clinton, 47%-41%.

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Trump's overall advantage in the poll coincides with other polls that show him closing the gap with Clinton. Because of differences in methodology, Trump tends to perform about six percentage points better in the USC/L.A. Times poll than in other polls.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-donald-trump-s-lead-widens-in-daily-1473947034-htmlstory.html



This coincides with a steady trend of declining percentage of Hillary's chances in the FiveThirtyEight election forecast. The fact of the matter is that a lot of people really dig Trump's racist, sexist rhetoric. Give people a scape goat to blame their problems, and feed that anger, and you can win. This coupled with a media that portrays Hillary's email management as a national tragedy, and you have a recipe for a Trump victory.
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Donald Trump's lead widens in USC/L.A. Times tracking poll (Original Post) TomCADem Sep 2016 OP
The L.A. Times poll has had him up the entire time. Chicago1980 Sep 2016 #1
I do find this troubling Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #2
4 or 5 day ago it had Hillary up for a few days. Matthew28 Sep 2016 #4
Trump's Voters Want Blood. Ethnic Cleansing TomCADem Sep 2016 #5
Don't forget Trump's "poll watchers" LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2016 #7
I find it astonishing. Igel Sep 2016 #16
Look at the curve though... Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #3
Funny thing is that he's getting his behind... LenaBaby61 Sep 2016 #6
The Times poll is a national poll, not a poll of CA voters anneboleyn Sep 2016 #19
It has nothing to do with the things you mentioned in the OP, all medical Democat Sep 2016 #8
Bullshit alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #9
Instead of attacking, why not offer your own thoughts? (nt) question everything Sep 2016 #10
Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #13
Look at the data for this poll Democat Sep 2016 #11
LOL. Talk about click bait! Now an unreliable poll says Trump's "LEAD" is "widening!!11!" PSPS Sep 2016 #12
People who tout this poll use the "trend" as an excuse molova Sep 2016 #14
IMO this daily poll is very useful for quickly spotting shifts in support MowCowWhoHow III Sep 2016 #15
I partially blame Johnson/Stein inwiththenew Sep 2016 #17
This poll uses a previously selected group of 3,000 voters, what they call the 'UAS election panel'. Princess Turandot Sep 2016 #18
Trouble in River City andym Sep 2016 #20

Farmgirl1961

(1,493 posts)
2. I do find this troubling
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 11:43 PM
Sep 2016

I was hoping just a bad week for Hillary and not some kind of continuing trend. I don't know the background on this tracking poll and would be curious to see what others have to say.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
5. Trump's Voters Want Blood. Ethnic Cleansing
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 11:51 PM
Sep 2016

In Europe, far right, racist groups have made gained in recent elections. Why should the U.S. be any different?

7. Don't forget Trump's "poll watchers"
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 12:02 AM
Sep 2016

whose only function is to harass and intimidate minority and other Democratic voters.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
16. I find it astonishing.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 11:08 AM
Sep 2016

I expected him to wash out in he first wave of (R) rejects, and boldly made that predict with absolute assuredness a year ago.

I've decided not to apply for the prophet intern position at the Office of the Delphic Oracle.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
3. Look at the curve though...
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 11:46 PM
Sep 2016

The poll shows a single day increase on the 12th and then just bounces around after that.

That looks like one real bad day for Clinton. It should roll off in a few days.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
6. Funny thing is that he's getting his behind...
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 12:00 AM
Sep 2016

Last edited Fri Sep 16, 2016, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Beaten here by a very healthy margin of about 30 points in July. I've seen other polls which more recently has her up by very high double-digits, but not 30 pts. That will shrink of course when it's a 3 or 4 person race, but he's got no chance to win California.


The Times is a second-rate newspaper that I stopped reading YEARS ago. It reminds me of the NY Times on the Left Coast.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
8. It has nothing to do with the things you mentioned in the OP, all medical
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 12:32 AM
Sep 2016

This is a direct result of the medical issue. Look at the daily data from this poll. Everything changed on 9/12.

The medical issue is now behind Clinton, so hopefully we should see some recovery in the coming days.

Response to question everything (Reply #10)

Democat

(11,617 posts)
11. Look at the data for this poll
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 01:06 AM
Sep 2016

It only starts to move after the "deplorables" comment and the medical issue.

PSPS

(13,601 posts)
12. LOL. Talk about click bait! Now an unreliable poll says Trump's "LEAD" is "widening!!11!"
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 01:10 AM
Sep 2016

Read their methodology. It's laughable.

 

molova

(543 posts)
14. People who tout this poll use the "trend" as an excuse
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 05:07 AM
Sep 2016

When you confront people who tout this poll, they go, "Well, it is true that maybe Trump is not ahead, but this poll captures the trends pretty well".

Meanwhile thousands of people are led to believe that Trump is ahead, which is untrue.

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
15. IMO this daily poll is very useful for quickly spotting shifts in support
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 06:26 AM
Sep 2016

As noted it's probably 6% biased towards Trump, so as of today he and Clinton are effectively tied. (44.4% vs 44%)

http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/



It's obvious from the graph that 4 dates/events have seen significant changes:

(A) Trump goes up, Clinton down after RNC.

(B) Clinton goes up, Trump down after DNC.

(C) Something happened on or about Aug 14th to reverse Trump's DNC decline. I'm not currently sure what precipitated this.

(D) Clinton's 9/11 medical episode


inwiththenew

(972 posts)
17. I partially blame Johnson/Stein
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 11:15 AM
Sep 2016

It looks like they are going to hurt Hilary by siphoning off votes from her especially among the younger demographic which tends to be heavily Democratic.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
18. This poll uses a previously selected group of 3,000 voters, what they call the 'UAS election panel'.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 12:20 PM
Sep 2016

Every day they query 700 of them about who they will vote for.

Those 3,000 same people, over and over again. If there are only 100 black or Latino voters in the pool or women over 40, as one example, that's all there will be of those specific voter population. Their impact on the vote will depend upon weighting by the survey company.

If you look at the historical numbers (http://cesrusc.org/election/), the total who say they will vote for one or the other seems to always be in the 85-89% range, so the daily changes don't seem to be largely the result of pulling in undecideds or 3rd party voters. They virtually never crack 90% in total.

I have a hard time understanding why the same voter says they will vote for Trump one day, then Hillary the next, and vice-a-versa, or decide not to vote, perhaps because I don't see a candidate's supporters as being that fickle.

The other thing that seems completely counterintuitive to me is that Hillary had her lowest percentage share in their tracking over the course of the Democratic Convention. The tally on 7/27, 40.3%, was her lowest point between 7/10 and 9/14. Why on earth would a Democratic voter in their group of 3,000 people have had their opinion of HRC decline during the convention?

BTW, in other polls like this, where the pollster wants to keep the selected group willing to reply for an extended period of time, they give them points redeemable for gifts if they participate. The Reuters/Ipsos poll which is similar to this one does that. I did not see a reference to participation carrots on the USC Dornsife info page.

andym

(5,444 posts)
20. Trouble in River City
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 12:28 PM
Sep 2016

These polls should serve as a wakeup call to the Clinton campaign to change tactics and try to take control of the media cycles.

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