and his nazi us intel involvement with the Latin Americans who pulled this hit in DC, while Poppy was DCI, in a thread here yesterday.

Michael Townley served 5 years for 2 murders.

I have heard that he grew up in Chile as the son of a Ford Company executive.

He has been so shadowy in CIA schemes. Very strange world of real villains. No respect for any life, anywhere.

It would be a gift to the US public if someone wrote a history of what it was Poppy actually WAS doing before he became the US President, all those long dark years after he donated two of his boats to be used in the Bay of Pigs invasion, one named after his wife, I think, and one after an oil company? (Can't quite remember the names.)

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The international fascista operations dragged a rake through the swamp of european nazis and their american buddies, and set the raked-up dregs up with the latin american death squad nazis like the AAA, Pinochet, and the Fiancees of Death, who then performed wartime ops even in our nation's capitol. The Barbara J is a name that floated around a ship and boat during the cuban thing. A non-Mexican having part ownership in a Mexican oil company is against the law there.

Hoover blew Poppy's cover with the November 29, 1963 memo that cc ed "Mr George Bush of the CIA". Hoover did that quite purposefully. Point of fact, li'l W. made a trip with skull and bones' Poppy to Medellin, when w was a young business creep with his scales barely dried. Poppy and the family are oil energy banking and rightwing nazi intel, and always have been. Though the 2 bush presidents were always dutiful syncophantic butt suckers for their Standard Oil of NJ masters, above all.

I never read the whole IPS Landau and Dinges story about Letelier and Moffitt, or the Warren Hinckle book about it. But I would like to read both books. I know what happened more or less, anyway. About Townley, I don't remember, but he should be in prison, and the damage is still being done by those evil forces he worked with.

At least we don't have 96 little hitler kids scattered across white european nations to deal with, so there's a bright side to things. There's no way that orange nazi is related. Hitler's maternal granddad wasn't bald.

Great post. It's good to be reminded just how deeply those Nazi roots really do go in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, Bolivia, etc.

Thanks for some great info.

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is on pp 94 - 8 of Deadly Secrets (hardbound), by Warren Hinckle. There was also a plane used in that op called the Barbara, but that's not in that book. May be in some Octa o.p. Poppy also named a WWII plane he flew the Barbara. (I don't know if that's the one he bailed out of and left his radio man and tail gunner inside of, when he "earned" his medals for valor.)

The info on young W.'s visit with Poppy to Medellin came from Russ Baker's Family of Secrets, p. 135 (paperback). They were there to visit the local office of Zapata Offshore, and Medellin is 150 kilometers inland. That's the only branch office way way landlocked like that. The bush family have a large amount of investments in Eli Lilly Pharmaceuticals, and it takes both dry tonnage and thousands of gallons of pharmaceutical compounds and chemicals to refine cocaine in mass quantities, even without turning it into crack.

Somewhere else, (I don't remember where, sorry), I'd read that the Medellin cartel had actually been founded by Nazis, before WWII. Page 23 of Baker's book discusses the promising young oil scion, Yale Skull & Boneser, and Connecticut nazi (like bush, and Coulter) named William F. Buckley, who was introduced to E. Howard Hunt in 1950, went on to work under him in the CIA's Mexico City station, and lied about his agency employment until 2005. Another source I forget talked about the fact that a big 3rd Reicher, Albert Speer (I think), had discovered the manganese and bauxite in Guyana, pre-WWII -- and planned to set up a colony to mine it, (but never got to before they lost the war,) -- at the site where Jonestown residents later mined those minerals. And post-Viet war refugee Hmong (montagnards) set up a colony there, after "White Nights" and Leo Ryan's assassination. Spielberg in "Raiders..." depicted nazis running around looking for old powerful artifacts before WWII, but they were actually running around looking for strategic minerals and geopolitical strong points and weak ones.

I have to admit I cribbed the barely dried scales from Nich von Hoffman's Fireside Watergate. But he sort of smouched it from Phil Roth's Our Gang, the part where Nixon was in hell running against Satan for top devil. I thought both books were very funny and informative.

I also was just talking about Victor Jara's "Venceremos" to another post-er here, a day or two ago. I guess murder will out. There was a movie recently released starring Emma Watson (Harry Potter) and Michael Nyquist (Dragon Tattoo) called Colonia, and it's a true story about a young German activist couple working with Allende who got caught up in Pinochet's coup, the guy gets sent from Santiago Stadium Detention Center (where Jara was executed) to a remotely located Chilean cult founded by a German Lay preacher named Paul Schafer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonia_(film) I saw it in the theater, very harrowing and worth watching. Under Pinochet, Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Bakker, and Reverend Moon filled up that soccer stadium with paying Chilean attendees there to hear the good word. Oh, and Michael Jackson performed there, as well.

Thanks for the o.p. Judi Lynn. I appreciate the good info. And thanks for the compliment and reply. I'm glad the von Hoffman / Roth line got a laugh.

spoke with a former UPI South American correspondent who said Schafer had two colonias in Chile, one the Dignidad, and another, in another town which did a brisk direct retail business with tourists in a Bavarian environment. You've probably noticed the strange appearance of little German/Austrian enclaves throughout the Southern American countries in mountainous areas, or forests. Crazy. Oh, also even in Bolivia, in a ski area. Photos always show the only people there as being very European, very fair.

So interesting to read some Hmong settled in Guyana after Democrat Leo Ryan was assassinated. I would guess there's a natural tie between greedy murderous fascists and Republicans, everywhere! Had no idea the mining had gone on there.

The Americas have always been used as a warehouse for US greedy interests. They don't feel they should have to pay for any of the theft of resources, or cheap labor, or protection for workers, either. It has always been open season on everyone, everything but the oligarchs there who are happy to sell out their countrymen/women for power and prestige.

Was lucky enough to see the film about Colonia Dignidad, also. From what I have heard, that must have been a very close copy of the environment and the way they treated people. So many died there, some from being tortured to death, they had Pinochet's blessings, their own landing strip to receive new prisoners, or supplies, or visits from government officials, and they always separated all the men and women, husbands and wives included. Abused the children, of course.

It stands to perfect reason the US knew everything about Schafer, as well, considering it knew everything else.

Glad you mentioned to Colonia film. Hope many others will see it, too, now that it's available on Netflix!

My brother in law tipped me off to the movie, because I had shown him an article a long time ago about the Assemblies of God and Moonies proselytizing to Chileans under Pinochet. I don't own a book on Guyana, the pre-war nazi connection, and post Jonestown Hmong resettlement, so I can't give a good hard copy citation on those issues. Looking up the info on line just gives me French Guiana resettlement of Hmong. Which stands to reason, since the Montagnards were French Indochina allies.

The only source I could see online for the British Guyana Hmong is John Judge, and I never trusted him. Here's one that talks about a 1980 failed attempt at Hmong settlement, but rightwing US intel has nothing but time and money, so they could have soldiered on with their efforts after '80:
http://www.guyana.org/features/postindependence/chapter15.html

"The plan to settle Cambodian refugees in Guyana

The murder-suicide of the 914 Jonestown settlers foiled any plan to use the settlement as a "buffer". However, the PNC regime, from December 1979, again secretly arranged with organizations closely allied with US political policies, to settle members of the Hmong tribe from south-east Asia in the Waini-Yarakita district north-west of Jonestown. The fiercely anti-communist Hmong tribesmen (also called Meos), had become "refugees" from Kampuchea (Cambodia) after they joined American, and later Chinese and other anti-nationalist forces, in fighting against the patriotic forces and their Vietnamese allies who were batting against the genocidal Pol Pot regime in Kampuchea (Cambodia). Apparently, here again, the plan was for the USA to offer assistance to the Hmong tribesmen and their PNC sponsors in resisting armed Venezuelan encroachment on Guyanese territory.

Lengthy protest articles on the proposed Hmong settlement issue appeared during April 1980 in a number of leading newspapers in Britain, Canada and the USA. The Mirror of 18 May 1980 stated that British journalist, Greg Chamberlain, in an article under the caption "Guyana Alert on Refugees" in the British Guardian stated that Venezuela had warned the Guyana Government not to go ahead with the settlement plan in what Venezuela said was a disputed frontier region.

However, the Hmong settlement plan backfired after the PPP discovered and exposed the secret agreement, and public outcry caused the Government to officially abort the scheme on the 6 May 1980. In exposing the scheme, the PPP pointed to the possibility that the Hmong could also be used to assist the regime in battling any popular uprising in Guyana. "

I don't know what to make of Guyana.org, if it actually represents the nation of Guyana, or is a counterfeit.

I came upon Townley connections to Colonia Dignidad, here: https://theamericanscholar.org/the-torture-colony/

"Colonia Dignidad, according to a former DINA agent assigned there in the mid-1970s, maintained powerful radio equipment, facilitating communication between DINA commanders in Chile and their agent saboteurs and assassins stationed abroad. In 2005, Michael Townley, an American expatriate and former DINA officer implicated in several high-profile assassinations and bombings, testified to a Chilean judge that the Colonia had also housed a secret laboratory, where government scientists developed chemical weapons. Schaefer’s primary contribution to Pinochet’s operations, however, came in the instruction of DINA agents in the science of torture. Soon after the coup, arrested political dissidents began to disappear into Colonia Dignidad."

One of the other on-line sites said that Townley was a torturer and executioner at Colonia D. I think that's the reason he was called to testify at the trial. The prosecution probably figured he'd already ratted other evil ops he was involved with out, so why not use him again? That's what the gov does with high profile mob stoolies, too.

Regarding the odd German Austrian Bavarian enclaves in South America, Conrad's Nostromo described the large number of turn of the century German and Italian emigrees to Latin America, so I guess that was a natural place for the losing WWII nazis to run to and blend in with the crowd.

I know there are plenty of great Germans in Germany and Latin America, too. Like the young couple depicted in the movie, and this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Schneider , for example. But most of their bad nazis ones are definitely in bed with the rightwing nazi part of our intel.

Your line -- "The Americas have always been used as a warehouse for US greedy interests. They don't feel they should have to pay for any of the theft of resources, or cheap labor, or protection for workers, either. It has always been open season on everyone, everything but the oligarchs there who are happy to sell out their countrymen/women for power and prestige. " -- says it all.

Everything else is just a hair raising, nauseating description of the mechanics used to achieve those end results. Cults, drugs, torture, guns, murder, nazism, a real pattern seems to be emerging. They're not tough, they're ruthlessly evil and violent when they have the upper hand, and cowards all the rest of the time. Almost nobody in the world likes them or is on their side. They can never stand up proudly and say "I'm a big Nazi, and I'm proud of it!" Occasionally, they get their 10% of a population on board and sieze power and pull this evil crap, but then their 10% eventually breaks up and crumbles, and they lose, and run away.

They're sneaky while they're in power, then they sneak off to avoid their well deserved war crimes charges. I do feel terrible and sorry for the suffering their victims go through while the creeps have power, but the people inside those countries and outside, raising cain about the US corporate and intel involvement, do win eventually. It's a shame the arc of the moral universe was so much longer for Pinochet and Schafer than it was for their idol Hitler. Ditto for the bushs and their bosses. And der drumpenfuhrer.

The US knew everthing Pinochet knew, I think you're right about that. He was their creature, he always cooperated fully with them, they publicized his "great" governing moves and "Chicago Boys" economic lab experiments, the rightwingers in our gov and intel gave him massive money weapons and logistical aid. When our nazis said jump he didn't ask how high, he was already in the air.

The link on Paul Schafer is the best one I've ever seen on the man. It's amazing. I'll be turning that one over and over for days, I'm sure. It gave so much more depth for those who saw the film, too!

Here's an article posted this year regarding a US university professor, Boris Weisfeiler, who went on a hiking trip to Chile in the area around Colonia Dignidad and was never seen again by anyone who will admit it:


Chile Halts Inquiry on American Who Disappeared 31 Years Ago

Source: New York Times

Chile Halts Inquiry on American Who Disappeared 31 Years Ago

By PASCALE BONNEFOY
MARCH 10, 2016

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/world/americas/chile-halts-inquiry-on-american-who-disappeared-31-years-ago.html?_r=0

Useful images after the article:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141375153

Your Guyana article is loaded with so much information I've not read before. It is excellent. I plan to reread it.

Your thoughtfulness will undoubtedly bring a lot of insight to those of us who are definitely interested but haven't had the chance to find this material earlier. Thank you, so much.

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I don't know what to make of guyana dot org. Could be good Guyanese anti-nazis.

Info about the moves the bad guys pull sometimes just gets overwhelmingly disgusting, there's so much in-depth info out there, it could sometimes be bad for morale to constantly study this stuff in-depth, categorically. Always turning over rocks with nasty stuff under them can hurt the digestion and psyche. Like reading too may Vonnegut books in a row.

Talking about it is a tribute to the good people they victimized, though, and a way of exposing those cockroaches. The bad guys want intelligent anti-nazi leaning people to see this info, do the math in their head, and get scared and shut up about it. But knuckling under like that is a bad move, because the bad guys are out to get everybody. I think that the success that anti-nazi people have in Latin America is the result of everyone saying "I'm not going to shut up about it", and the nazis knuckle under because they can't get everybody. The more small fries that talk about the info, the less the baddies are able to get away with their moves.

Mae Brussell did a story on Jessica Savitch and her death. Savitch did an 8 part series for PBS Frontline (it was edgier, then, probably because Ken Tomlinson hadn't worked his magic yet). The 3 parts that ran were the murder of "God's Banker", Calvi; the murder of a couple of NFL officials by organized crime people who wanted rigged games; and Operation Paperclip (Was Operation Overdark, originally) bringing a big bunch of nazis into our intel, getting them away from Nuremberg trials, and using them in operations that benefitted our right wing money people. Then Savitch had a "flameout" on NBC news, which wasn't "cut away from due to technical difficulties", and she then drowned in New Hope, PA with a Murdoch press operative in the car. Same coroner did the controversial autopsy on Abbie Hoffman, later. Frontline never ran the other 5 parts of the series, but Brussell said Paperclip had always been the key information that drove her own research.

It would be interesting to know what the other 5 parts of the series were, but the 3 that were covered were cultism, mob, and nazis in intel, all death worshippers, which pretty much sums the modern driving forces and tools of the big money people behind the gop.

Nyquist did a good job playing a bad guy in the movie. That's 2 good anti-nazi performances from him in a row, but I liked his Dragon Tattoo good guy work more. Stieg Larrson showed that the trajectory of his Salander character was going from fighting against a small cultist serial killer "man who hates women" & corrupt Swedish industrialists, progressing to fighting international nazis & organized crime, and aiming right on through to encompassing a fight against corrupt right wing US post-war intel. I would have loved to see more of the increasing number of great characters around Bloomquist and Salander.

US gives Chile papers showing ex-dictator ordered 1976 assassination
By AFP 4 hours ago .

The United States on Friday gave Chilean President Michelle Bachelet declassified CIA documents confirming that former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet personally ordered the 1976 assassination of opposition leader Orlando Letelier.

US Deputy Secretary of State Heather Higginbottom presented the documents to Bachelet during a ceremony on the site of the killing in the American capital, two days after the 40th anniversary of the brazen attack.

Bachelet herself is a former opposition leader who was tortured under the military regime of General Pinochet, who ruled Chile with a dictatorial hand from 1974 to 1990.

The files include a 1987 CIA report in which the intelligence agency attests that Pinochet personally ordered his intelligence chief to plan the fatal attack.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/us-gives-chile-papers-showing-ex-dictator-ordered-1976-assassination/article/475582#ixzz4L8oda9n3

Sometimes, their record keeping isn't as meticulous as it ought to be.