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T_i_B

(14,739 posts)
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 05:02 AM Sep 2016

UK Labour leadership: Corbyn awaits election result

Source: BBC

The outcome of the Labour leadership election between Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith will be announced at 11:45 BST. The winner will be unveiled in Liverpool where the party is preparing to hold its annual conference.

Mr Smith's challenge to the current Labour leader, who was only elected a year ago, follows months of tension between Mr Corbyn and many Labour MPs.

The Labour leader has offered to "wipe the slate clean" and reach out to his opponents if he is re-elected.

But amid signs of the continuing tensions in the party, pressure group Campaign Against Anti-Semitism has made a formal complaint to the party about a video posted on Mr Corbyn's campaign website, while 200 members of the party, including three councillors in Bristol, have been suspended.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37449628



The main news story over here. Corbyn will surely win thanks to the influx of new members into the Labour party. These new members tend to be blindly loyal to Corbyn in spite of his dreadful preformance in the job of leading the opposition to the Conservatives.

A major split in the British left is looking increasingly inevitable.
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UK Labour leadership: Corbyn awaits election result (Original Post) T_i_B Sep 2016 OP
The disaster scenario is a snap election Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #1
That system is so damn complicated. joshcryer Sep 2016 #2
Snap election yes, but for different reasons T_i_B Sep 2016 #3
I see what you did there. TeacherB87 Sep 2016 #7
Nobody in the Conservative Party is looking over their shoulder for Jeremy Corbyn Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #20
No matter what the outcome of the election is... JackRiddler Sep 2016 #26
I doubt that very much Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #28
Actual election results and JackRiddler Sep 2016 #31
You keep telling yourself that Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #36
Ditto. You do that. JackRiddler Sep 2016 #37
Corbyn will win, that's almost a certainty. MowCowWhoHow III Sep 2016 #4
Labour isn't going to split. They will stay together and deal with the next election, StevieM Sep 2016 #9
You can still topple a parliamentary government with a non-confidence vote Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #21
I can't see May losing a no confidence vote. That would mean Conservative MPs voting to topple her. StevieM Sep 2016 #23
Yes, that is how it works. Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #24
May is unlikely to hold a snap election because she will LOSE. JackRiddler Sep 2016 #27
Right, the British have been voting Conservative for lack of an ineffectual communist alternative Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #29
Corbyn reelected officially 61.8% MowCowWhoHow III Sep 2016 #5
Labour shake-up successfully completes purge of voters from the party T_i_B Sep 2016 #6
Way to go! Perhaps... Helen Borg Sep 2016 #8
I hope this is sarcasm Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #22
+ 1000 OnDoutside Sep 2016 #34
Newsthump Blue Idaho Sep 2016 #10
The moderates are the ones deserting the party! T_i_B Sep 2016 #12
Data?... Helen Borg Sep 2016 #13
Ah, the "idealogical purity uber alles" argument T_i_B Sep 2016 #14
Last time I checked, the vast majority of UK voters Helen Borg Sep 2016 #15
The only winds in UK politics are hot air. T_i_B Sep 2016 #16
As somebody who IS a London rail commuter Helen Borg Sep 2016 #17
The people commuting into that there London from Essex... T_i_B Sep 2016 #18
Not much point in idle yakking, really... Helen Borg Sep 2016 #19
Congratulations Mr. Corbyn LiberalLovinLug Sep 2016 #11
Constant success = "His dreadful performance" JackRiddler Sep 2016 #25
Labour could do with the return of David Milliband. OnDoutside Sep 2016 #30
Because he did so well in elections! JackRiddler Sep 2016 #32
Erm....that was David's BROTHER, Ed Miliband. OnDoutside Sep 2016 #33
Should have spotted that, sorry. JackRiddler Sep 2016 #35
 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
1. The disaster scenario is a snap election
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 05:26 AM
Sep 2016

The Brexit morons are going to rapidly become impatient with May who isn't going to play Russian Roulette with Boris Johnson and a semi-automatic pistol, if they get too rambunctious she will call an election on a "fuck brexit" platform. The Labour constituency that doesn't freebase used kitty litter will vote for May if she will decisively kill the Brexit issue.

T_i_B

(14,739 posts)
3. Snap election yes, but for different reasons
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 05:57 AM
Sep 2016

So she can smash Labour on a pro-leaving the EU platform and then shit on everyone who got her where she is with a landslide majority. Theresa May or may not decide to screw the anti EU fanatics then. Personally I suspect that we'll only pull back once it becomes blatantly obvious that it's causing serious economic damage.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
20. Nobody in the Conservative Party is looking over their shoulder for Jeremy Corbyn
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 06:37 PM
Sep 2016

Labour is going to tear itself to pieces, any effort to smash Labour is wasted as the Conservative Party already has a majority in Parliament.

May has to look over her shoulder for the strident Brexiteers. If Brexit doesn't mean Brexit or not fast enough for their liking she is going to have to deal with them.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
26. No matter what the outcome of the election is...
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 11:35 PM
Sep 2016

You can bet your life Corbyn's Labour will get a better share of the vote than Milliband's.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
28. I doubt that very much
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 12:20 AM
Sep 2016

The Green Party supporters and misc. socialist and communist riffraff that Corbyn has brought into the fold comes at the expense of the mainstream.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
31. Actual election results and
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 08:08 AM
Sep 2016

The neoliberal Blair riffraff that Corbyn has deposed obviously lost the mainstream.

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
4. Corbyn will win, that's almost a certainty.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 06:08 AM
Sep 2016

Labour may split, that's moderately probable. Owen Smith and followers may join/merge with Libdems, who have similar Brexit outlooks. If they don't join/merge with Libdems they'll be competing for the same political space.

May holding a snap election, extremely unlikely.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
9. Labour isn't going to split. They will stay together and deal with the next election,
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 11:50 AM
Sep 2016

whenever that is. May will try to hold an election whenever it feels like she will most benefit from an election. But she needs a 2/3 vote in Parliament to call early elections so it will require support from the opposition parties, including Labour.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
21. You can still topple a parliamentary government with a non-confidence vote
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 06:42 PM
Sep 2016

In any event, Corbyn's hardliners would probably welcome an election so they can "primary" the sane Labour MPs.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
23. I can't see May losing a no confidence vote. That would mean Conservative MPs voting to topple her.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 06:53 PM
Sep 2016

Last edited Sat Sep 24, 2016, 08:33 PM - Edit history (1)

There is no reason to think that will happen.

I am note sure how MPs get "primaried" but I don't see Corbyn doing that. I think that he just wants to take his shot at winning the GE.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
24. Yes, that is how it works.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 07:04 PM
Sep 2016

The nomination process isn't all that different, the voting is though and Corbyn's merry band of idiots seem to have the numbers on their side.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
27. May is unlikely to hold a snap election because she will LOSE.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 11:37 PM
Sep 2016

The Corbyn haters on this site are completely divorced from reality - not unlike the Blairites who attempted this party coup.

Labour has improved on its share of the vote in every election under Corbyn. That's reality.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
29. Right, the British have been voting Conservative for lack of an ineffectual communist alternative
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 12:26 AM
Sep 2016

If an election were held today Labour would be all but wiped out.

T_i_B

(14,739 posts)
6. Labour shake-up successfully completes purge of voters from the party
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 08:19 AM
Sep 2016
http://newsthump.com/2016/09/24/labour-shake-up-successfully-completes-purge-of-voters-from-the-party/

The Labour Party has successfully completed a purge of a radical right-wing group calling itself ‘the electorate’ this week.

The group, composed of ‘voters’, were considered too right-wing to fit with the future direction of the party and ‘had to go’.

“For Labour to be a true, radical, socialist alternative then the ‘voters’ just had to go,” spokesman Simon Williams told us.

“They just keep coming back to us and we’ve had to keep driving them away again, but this time we’re confident we’re rid of them for good.


Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
8. Way to go! Perhaps...
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 09:33 AM
Sep 2016

The UK will be able to achiever there what Sanders was trying to achieve here! Same dynamics, the establishment tried so hard to derail Corbyn, but he won anyway. If Labour runs on that platform in the next elections they'll definitely trash the Tories! Way to go!!

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
22. I hope this is sarcasm
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 06:45 PM
Sep 2016

If Labour has to face a anti-Brexit Conservative leader in the next election, the Labour Party will be fortunate to win fifty seats with Corbyn's nonsense.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
10. Newsthump
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 12:57 PM
Sep 2016

Great satirical news site...

Back to the results... Corbin's victory this year is greater than his victory in 2015 - pretty remarkable when you consider all the Labor MPs efforts to skew the election in their direction. So it seems to me the Labor MPs who tried so hard to remove Corbin may need to think about who modern labor voters are. Apparently they aren't "Tory Lite" enthusiasts.

T_i_B

(14,739 posts)
12. The moderates are the ones deserting the party!
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 02:24 PM
Sep 2016

Corbyn has his section of fanatical support (who have joined Labour en masse after his election, which is why he won this time) but beyond that he really is not popular with normal folk.

What's worse is that the major issue is not his left wingery but his proven incompetence!

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
13. Data?...
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 02:29 PM
Sep 2016

If by "moderates" you mean the typical Tory-lite politicians that routinely compromise progressive agendas here in the US, then GOOD RIDDANCE! Hopefully they can do in the UK what we cannot in the US.

T_i_B

(14,739 posts)
14. Ah, the "idealogical purity uber alles" argument
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 02:59 PM
Sep 2016

Go and take a look at the UK polls. Corbyn is heading for a landslide loss. He has his creepy cultist following but isn't taken seriously outside the "Momentum" bubble. Largely because his supporters are mainly people like yourself far more interested in finding heretics than winning converts or getting the basics right.

I used to be an "ideological purity" sort myself. Until I realised that ideological purity doesn't pay the rent or feed a family.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
15. Last time I checked, the vast majority of UK voters
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 03:27 PM
Sep 2016

Would favor things such as renationalizing the rail system and many similar "socialist" measures. Corbyn is exactly about recouping some of the wealth that the elites have sucked out of struggling UK citizens. Winds have been changing, buddy.

T_i_B

(14,739 posts)
16. The only winds in UK politics are hot air.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 03:33 PM
Sep 2016

As somebody who's been a London rail commuter, I honestly don't think railway renationisation is going to win the votes of railway commuters. Beyond that, most of Corbyn's bright ideas are generally regarded as a bit of a joke outside of the "Momentum" bubble.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
17. As somebody who IS a London rail commuter
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 03:40 PM
Sep 2016

I disagree. I don't know a single politician whose ideas are not considered jokes by their opponents.

T_i_B

(14,739 posts)
18. The people commuting into that there London from Essex...
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 03:58 PM
Sep 2016

....are hardly the most socialist in the world to put it mildly. Let's just say that railway renationalisation is either a low priority for rail users or considered the beginning of a slippery slope to bad things by many of the same commuters that this would be meant to help.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
11. Congratulations Mr. Corbyn
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 02:18 PM
Sep 2016

Labour can finally move ahead. The backstabbing Blairites can move back to the Cons where they belong.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
25. Constant success = "His dreadful performance"
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 11:34 PM
Sep 2016

Please! Every election since Corbyn became leader has seen a rise in the Labour share of the vote.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
35. Should have spotted that, sorry.
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 04:11 PM
Sep 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miliband

Head of Policy for Blair even before 1997.

This is what the Labour membership just rejected.

Same old, same old.

It's also what voters rejected when they refused the brother. And many of them, when they voted for Brexit.

In elections under Corbyn, meanwhile, Labour has improved on its vote totals.

So the only reason one can imagine preferring either Miliband would be an ideological devotion to the neoliberal disasters wrought by Blair.

Or also a kind of star worship, I suppose. I'm sure Bono is all for it.
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