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highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 12:12 AM Oct 2016

Evangelical magazine publishes scathing anti-Trump editorial

Source: Yahoo News

As conservative religious voters grapple with how to respond to an audio recording of Donald Trump lewdly boasting about groping women, Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of American evangelicalism, released on Monday a blistering critique of the GOP presidential nominee.

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As for Trump, Crouch says, “There is hardly any public person in America today who has more exemplified the ‘earthly nature’ … that Paul urges the Colossians to shed: ‘sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry’ (3:5). This is an incredibly apt summary of Trump’s life to date.”

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Crouch’s indictment of Trump is not dissimilar from complaints lodged by Trump’s secular critics as well, but the language he uses may remind many of Christianity Today’s 130,000 subscribers of Old Testament prophets: “He has given no evidence of humility or dependence on others, let alone on God his Maker and Judge. He wantonly celebrates strongmen and takes every opportunity to humiliate and demean the vulnerable. He shows no curiosity or capacity to learn.”

“He is,” Crouch concludes, “the very embodiment of what the Bible calls a fool.”


Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/evangelical-magazine-publishes-scathing-anti-trump-editorial-013004224.html



Link to that editorial:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2016/october-web-only/speak-truth-to-trump.html?visit_source=twitter&start=1
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Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
8. You win post of the thread, for that is spot on. Trump exposed himself as self-pleasing & uncaring
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 02:12 AM
Oct 2016

about vows and respect for probably what many Christian men see as 'theirs', their wife, which is a bond - and Trump shat all over that belief.

As a believer, I finish with this one word about their editorial -


AMEN!

sherlocksistah

(51 posts)
6. was wondering when they would fess up!
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 01:22 AM
Oct 2016

and turn to the Bible to figure what we all knew already that this man is a fool! Why it took any of them this long to finally say it puzzles me but being a liberal Christian woman, I think I already knew the answer.

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
7. He forgot to condemn slavery.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 01:37 AM
Oct 2016

The christian dominionists will have to hang their heads, take their dollies and go home. As they close their eyes to ease into slumber, just think - Reagan. Sweet dreams you dim witted rubes. Two Corinthians. Woo hoo!!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. Aw c'mon, he eats his cracker
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 03:22 AM
Oct 2016

IMHO, to any Christian - whether Catholic or Protestant - his comments about the meaning of communion should have been a dead giveaway that this man is no Christian.

When asked whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness, I found his answer astonishing, and I don't know why no supposed "Christians" did:

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I am not sure I have,” he said then. “I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so. I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.” He went on to say that he does receive Communion at church.

“When I drink my little wine — which is about the only wine I drink — and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed,” he said. “I think in terms of ‘Let’s go on and let’s make it right.'”
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I like to think I know a thing or two about what Christians believe. Perhaps I'm wrong, but he's "not sure" that he's ever asked God for forgiveness, and doesn't "bring God into that picture" of addressing sin?

Really? Bringing God "into that picture" of addressing sin and seeking forgiveness is the central point of Christianity.

And I'm not aware of any school of thought - and this goes for both Catholics and Protestants - in which taking communion is "asking for forgiveness". In the most general terms possible, taking communion is receiving the forgiveness sought (or if not "sought" then given by grace (calm down Calvinists)). Nobody is "asking for forgiveness" by taking communion - the asking part comes before the receiving part.

This is my little cracker, which is broken for you. Eat ye all of it. In what Christian ear does that sound like a guy who practices any form of Christianity?

Ford_Prefect

(7,921 posts)
10. “He is the very embodiment of what the Bible calls a fool.”
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 05:18 AM
Oct 2016

Selfish, vain, cruel and willfully ignorant. You can't get worse than that in many parts of the world.

riversedge

(70,311 posts)
11. "Evangelicals, of all people, should not be silent about Donald Trump's blatant immorality"
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 07:22 AM
Oct 2016

--should is the word used. Glad to see this mag. speak out.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
14. Read the whole editorial -
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:45 AM
Oct 2016

My take - his condemnation of Clinton is absolute, while he gives Trump a hint of what he thinks he could do. He brings up the parallel to King David, which he rejects as David humbly asked forgiveness of God for his transgressions, citing Psalm 51.

While he is unhappy with evangelicals being pegged as Trump supporters, he does not say they should not vote for him. It is true that he starts the oped by saying that the non profit status of the magazine means no endorsements. There is no way to take this as supporting Hillary - even over Trump.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
13. The editorial trashes both Clinton and Trump
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:38 AM
Oct 2016

It also speaks against the Democratic party on things like abortion and turns our support of marriage equality as against their values. They start by saying they are a non profit and can not endorse anyone. Later though, they bring up voting for Trump because of the supreme court. They then argue - somewhat weakly against that because it leaves them open to criticism that they supported someone completely against their values.

Note that there is nothing Clinton could do to enter his good graces - other than perhaps suddenly rejecting both gay rights and a woman's right to choose. To me, this shows that though relatively religious Democrats, Clinton, Kerry, and Kaine for instance, have spoken of trying to reach evangelicals, at least for this segment of them they are unreachable. These are people fully on the Republican side in the culture wars and the yoke is that of their strong religious values.

It was fascinating how some things Crouch writes sound like they are directly out of Christian (and Jewish) prayers. His disputing an analogy of Trump to King David, which I never heard, must be challenging something echoing in evangelical circles. Here, the dispute rests on Trump not having the humility and true apology like David made in a psalm. To me, this suggests that we may hear a dramatic, likely evangelically written apology - and I am cynical enough to think it will echo the psalm mentioned. (Remember that this same base of people strongly backed GWB in 2000 almost as the Prodigal son - absolving him of his bad behavior until he was 40.)

Psalm 51 - https://www.bible.com/bible/116/psa.51.nlt

I can't imagine a really contrite Trump, but I can imagine him playing the role, speaking in a non political church speaking something written with code words that speak of regret of his past sins. ( That speech might echo the words that will be prayed more sincerely tonight and tomorrow in synagogues across the country.)

Reading the full editorial, I am not sure what the unspoken advice is to readers unless that happens. If he tries that, I hope that for most people it would be completely unbelievable given the hatred he has spewed for the last year ... and consistently over his life. He is has not changed the young teen sent by a wealthy family to military school because he was uncontrollably badly behaved. He simiply has had the money and power to get away with it.

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