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progree

(10,908 posts)
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:26 AM Oct 2016

It Happened Again. Another Flight Crew Can’t Believe a Black Woman Is Actually a Doctor

Last edited Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:59 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: Yahoo Beauty

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"As I settled in to watch a movie and read a book, about 1 hour into our flight over the intercom, a flight attendant requested a doctor or nurse to report to front of cabin to assist a passenger. When duty calls it calls – even if you are 30,000 feet in air…”

... “The flight attendant didn’t believe I was a doctor and told me to have a seat while 2 nurses provided medical care to the passenger.”

It was merely a few days ago when Tamika Cross, MD, another young, black physician described a very similar situation happening on a different Delta flight. In Cross’s situation, the passenger was unresponsive, a seemingly life-threatening situation in which every second counted.


Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/it-happened-again-another-delta-flight-crew-cant-believe-a-black-woman-is-actually-a-doctor-205952003.html



Atlanta-based Delta Airlines both times.

The previous incident:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028228925

with a link to the full article at:

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/a-woman-of-color-says-flight-crew-refused-to-believe-she-was-a-doctor-172511091.html
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It Happened Again. Another Flight Crew Can’t Believe a Black Woman Is Actually a Doctor (Original Post) progree Oct 2016 OP
Amazing how Stupid people are in today's Wellstone ruled Oct 2016 #1
I think it stops being simple ignorance when there's maliciousness involved ansible Oct 2016 #2
Sad to say, Wellstone ruled Oct 2016 #3
How wildly stupid. Their inbred ignorance has gained control of their deteriorated brains. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #4
I still say that doctors need a badge they can show. forgotmylogin Oct 2016 #5
I think so too. Problem is that they didn't ask the nurses on this flight to show a badge progree Oct 2016 #6
I think it should be listed when they purchase or get their ticket rpannier Oct 2016 #7
I thought they did Retrograde Oct 2016 #14
Huh. I guess in the heat of the moment she wasn't thinking. forgotmylogin Oct 2016 #21
This is what you get when white supremacists become mainstreamed. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2016 #8
Age discrimination may have played a role as well oberliner Oct 2016 #9
Wow. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2016 #10
This riddle tripped me up many many years after I should have known better progree Oct 2016 #11
Very good one. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2016 #13
Wow, I am embarrassed to admit, Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2016 #31
I'll admit, I'm sometimes succeptable to age descrimination.... paleotn Oct 2016 #17
"I'm frankly astonished at the apparent teenagers who have graduated medical school." CrispyQ Oct 2016 #32
oy vey! I'm surprised they didn't ask for her to be held for impersonating one! Divine Discontent Oct 2016 #12
Do we need medical alert bracelets? get the red out Oct 2016 #15
Do these folks not watch any movies or TV shows??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #16
I feel like the article is missing relevant info romanic Oct 2016 #19
Doctors and nurses don't carry special identification. Eugene Oct 2016 #20
That's why I think they should have a badge to flash. forgotmylogin Oct 2016 #23
I agree. Nothing in the article about whether the nurses were asked either progree Oct 2016 #22
If not, then precisely what? LanternWaste Oct 2016 #25
I just don't want it to be a trend romanic Oct 2016 #37
Why the hell would a person pretend to be a doctor in a situation like that? TryLogic Oct 2016 #24
Especially in lawsuit happy US Foggyhill Oct 2016 #26
two strikes against her - UpInArms Oct 2016 #27
I agree that it is ridiculous to assume a woman is a nurse instead of a doctor. IrishEyes Oct 2016 #33
I refuse to get on any plane in the future, but for the record demigoddess Oct 2016 #28
I agree demigoddess, I would prefer a black woman Dr who had to study twice as hard........... Old Vet Oct 2016 #30
I was raised in the military, married military and I just know that there are so demigoddess Oct 2016 #36
Apparently flight crews from Atlanta haven't seen African-American female doctors before. TonyPDX Oct 2016 #29
Flight crews are from everywhere. Quantess Oct 2016 #34
The post mentioned "Atlanta-based Delta Airlines both times," so I wrongly assumed Atlanta TonyPDX Oct 2016 #35
Oh, I don't know if that was a mistake. Quantess Oct 2016 #38
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
3. Sad to say,
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:39 AM
Oct 2016

there are many who fit your statement. One of Delta's contract carriers has a history of stupidness.

progree

(10,908 posts)
6. I think so too. Problem is that they didn't ask the nurses on this flight to show a badge
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:53 AM
Oct 2016

and on the previous Delta flight, they didn't ask the white male doctor they selected to show a badge.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
7. I think it should be listed when they purchase or get their ticket
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:54 AM
Oct 2016

Let them know you are a doctor so they can find you quickly in an emergency

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
14. I thought they did
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 03:02 AM
Oct 2016

Now, this is based on a conversation with a woman who claimed she was an emergency room nurse, who jumped over me when someone went into convulsions on a flight. After the immediate situation was dealt with, she talked with me the rest of the flight about what the standard international emergency procedures were. IIRCC, the flight attendents are supposed to ask someone who claims he/she is a doctor for proof, which is generally a card with their info. It seems like the people on these flights didn't bother to ask.

forgotmylogin

(7,529 posts)
21. Huh. I guess in the heat of the moment she wasn't thinking.
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 10:09 AM
Oct 2016

And I don't at all mean to make this her fault, but it seems like the first thing you'd grab when summoned to an emergency dressed as a civilian is that card.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
9. Age discrimination may have played a role as well
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 01:16 AM
Oct 2016

In both cases, they doctors in question were fresh out of med school.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
10. Wow.
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 01:41 AM
Oct 2016

I still recall with embarrassment the time I was at a birthday party for the kids in my son's class. In chatting with another mom (this was the first time we met) she said something that indicated medical knowledge of some sort, and I said, "Oh, are you a nurse?" And she said, "No, I'm a doctor."

That was about twenty years ago, and I'm still embarrassed that I made the sexist assumption. In this case we were both white, so race wasn't an issue, but I learned my lesson, and I met several more women doctors, and hope I NEVER assume a woman cannot be a doctor.

It's hard to know in these two cases how much is racism and how much is sexism, but nonetheless, it's appalling.

Oh, and I didn't even consider the age thing.

Now that I'm getting up there, I'm frankly astonished at the apparent teenagers who have graduated medical school.

progree

(10,908 posts)
11. This riddle tripped me up many many years after I should have known better
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 01:57 AM
Oct 2016

A father and son are in a horrible car crash that kills the dad. The son is rushed to the hospital; just as he’s about to go under the knife, the surgeon says, “I can’t operate—that boy is my son!” Explain. (Cue the final Jeopardy! music.)

The answer

paleotn

(17,930 posts)
17. I'll admit, I'm sometimes succeptable to age descrimination....
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:27 AM
Oct 2016

...someone says they're an MD and I think, how can that be?....I've got ties older than they are.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
15. Do we need medical alert bracelets?
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:20 AM
Oct 2016

They could say "I don't care what race my Dr is.", or something to that effect. This is DANGEROUS racism. (As if any racism isn't.)

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
16. Do these folks not watch any movies or TV shows???
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 06:35 AM
Oct 2016

I remember this movie. One of the lead roles was a black doctor.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004365/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t11

Maybe these idiots stopped going to movies before this one debuted. Maybe they're just prehistoric. I hope they're not younger folks who weren't around then. That would mean they might also be working to elect:

That's one explanation.

Another could be they were part of the committee to reelect the president:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_the_Re-Election_of_the_President

...or CReeP as they've been called.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
19. I feel like the article is missing relevant info
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 09:59 AM
Oct 2016

Did Dr. Cross have any ID indicating she was a doctor? If she did then yes she was discriminated against, if not then...

Eugene

(61,899 posts)
20. Doctors and nurses don't carry special identification.
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 10:09 AM
Oct 2016

In the case of the first incident, the flight attendant
took the white male doctor at his word.

forgotmylogin

(7,529 posts)
23. That's why I think they should have a badge to flash.
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 10:13 AM
Oct 2016

Just like a policeman. Something they can keep on their person just for this type of situation. I'm sure there are young male doctors who might not shave on their weekend off and look like a scruffy twenty-something when off-duty and people might not think they are serious about being a doctor.

progree

(10,908 posts)
22. I agree. Nothing in the article about whether the nurses were asked either
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 10:10 AM
Oct 2016

au similar, in the previous other case, nothing about whether the white male doctor was asked. Although in that case (
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/a-woman-of-color-says-flight-crew-refused-to-believe-she-was-a-doctor-172511091.html ) there was a lot of detail about the black doctor's interaction with the flight crew, including the flight crew asking her several questions, but nowhere asking for a badge or card or somesuch. It sure doesn't sound to me from that article that she was asked for such id and didn't have / didn't provide.... more like she was just talked down to.

Whether one is asked for ID proving one is a doctor or nurse, or asked a lot of quesrtions, should not depend on one's gender or race.

TryLogic

(1,723 posts)
24. Why the hell would a person pretend to be a doctor in a situation like that?
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 01:07 PM
Oct 2016

Blatant stupid prejudice by Delta personnel. I don't use Delta, and I am glad I don't. What if I needed medical attention at 30,000 feet?

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
27. two strikes against her -
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 01:37 PM
Oct 2016

she's black

she's a woman

----

not an acceptable answer in this society - where only men (first) - white, then black are allowed to ... perhaps be "recognized" as being professional (fill in the blank)

Women - must fill support role only - acceptable professions - nurse, para-legal

sigh

and the bigotry/sexism is practiced by either sex ... we have been taught well, what is 'acceptable' and 'recognizable'

IrishEyes

(3,275 posts)
33. I agree that it is ridiculous to assume a woman is a nurse instead of a doctor.
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:03 PM
Oct 2016

but nurses are not just there to support doctors. Nursing is a very difficult position that deserves respect.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
28. I refuse to get on any plane in the future, but for the record
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 01:53 PM
Oct 2016

I actually prefer black female doctors to white male doctors. they are usually smarter and better at listening.

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
30. I agree demigoddess, I would prefer a black woman Dr who had to study twice as hard...........
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 02:55 PM
Oct 2016

To get into the (use to be) Ol white man club. My ex is a doctor, She graduated at tufts university many years ago. I remember asking her why there were so few blacks graduating, And she told me how things were just stacked against most minorities. Really didn't think very hard about it at the time, But today I can only assume it must of been so hard rising above the many years of inward racism.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
36. I was raised in the military, married military and I just know that there are so
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:43 PM
Oct 2016

many black vets etc, and I have never felt more safe than on base. Those are my kind of people, and that never gets pointed out.

TonyPDX

(962 posts)
29. Apparently flight crews from Atlanta haven't seen African-American female doctors before.
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 02:26 PM
Oct 2016

Given the ethnic breakdown of Atlanta residents, this surprises me quite a lot.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
34. Flight crews are from everywhere.
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:13 PM
Oct 2016

For example, International flight crews are often grouped together by their native languages, regardless of where they are flying.

I appreciate your point, though.

TonyPDX

(962 posts)
35. The post mentioned "Atlanta-based Delta Airlines both times," so I wrongly assumed Atlanta
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:41 PM
Oct 2016

-based crew. My mistake.

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