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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 02:11 PM Oct 2016

Norway asked to host rotational force of US Marines

Source: Associated Press

Norway asked to host rotational force of US Marines

Updated 12:35 pm, Wednesday, October 19, 2016


STOCKHOLM (AP) — The United States wants to send a 300-strong rotational force of U.S. Marines to Norway, a NATO member that shares a border with Russia in the Arctic.

Norwegian Defense Ministry spokesman Lars Gjemble said Wednesday that "a limited rotational U.S. Marine Corps presence in Norway is a possible option currently being considered."

Maj. Gen. Niel E. Nelson, the Commander of U.S. Marine Corps Forces in Europe and Africa, confirmed the plans in a statement, adding "it would be premature to discuss possible implementation of such an initiative" before the political process is completed.

. . .

Maj. Richard K. Ulsh, a Germany-based Marine Corps spokesman, said it would be the first time U.S. Marines are stationed in Norway.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Norway-asked-to-host-rotational-force-of-US-9983127.php

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Norway asked to host rotational force of US Marines (Original Post) Judi Lynn Oct 2016 OP
The chessboard has definitely been active lately NWCorona Oct 2016 #1
I was in Norway for Teamwork '88. A rotation would be sweet duty! Marengo Oct 2016 #2
Yeah, I was there in the late nineties and I know what you mean lol NWCorona Oct 2016 #4
More Warmongering McKim Oct 2016 #3
When I was there as a Marine in the late 80's, the Norwegians I encountered... Marengo Oct 2016 #5
Never would have imagined this would happen. Seems completely threatening. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #6
Norway has been hosting NATO exercises for decades, this is hardly more "threatening". Marengo Oct 2016 #8
This is not an exercise. The U.S. proposed stationing them there, first time ever. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #11
Unless they are going into combat, that's exactly what is. A rotational exercise to maintain... Marengo Oct 2016 #14
The Marines have stored military equipment in Norway for decades hack89 Oct 2016 #22
300 US Marines seems threatening? To who, the Vatican Guard? lol EX500rider Oct 2016 #9
Didnt you get the memo? Each one of those marines have been given the Super Soldier formula cstanleytech Oct 2016 #10
Initiating a plan to send troops to Norway for the first time in history seems threatening. Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #12
Norway can't refuse? Marengo Oct 2016 #13
"plan to send troops to Norway for the first time in history" EX500rider Oct 2016 #15
This is completely different from an exercise. Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #16
Who would these oligarchs be in this context? Marengo Oct 2016 #18
"We all know oligarchs everywhere who live at the great expense of their people.." EX500rider Oct 2016 #19
Wouldn't it be cheaper to send Sarah Palin? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 #37
She has to stay on her front porch and watch for a Russian invasion from the East. Modern day Paul okaawhatever Oct 2016 #39
So President Obama is an Oligarch? MicaelS Oct 2016 #24
Nice try. That's quite a stretch, isn't it? Not even close, clearly. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #25
So the Prime Minister of Norway, Erna Solberg is a Oligarch? EX500rider Oct 2016 #27
the Russians and Scandanavians melm00se Oct 2016 #7
A clear violation of Norwegian base and détente policy since 1949 TomVilmer Oct 2016 #17
"US Bases are not a gift. They are a burden." EX500rider Oct 2016 #20
Money is not all - and even that lacks TomVilmer Oct 2016 #28
"The price is too big for your hosts!" EX500rider Oct 2016 #29
Sorry - a debate needs arguments, not just contradictions... TomVilmer Oct 2016 #30
Small countries can & have refused or kicked out US bases. EX500rider Oct 2016 #31
What about Cuba :) TomVilmer Oct 2016 #33
They made the mistake of signing a open end lease. EX500rider Oct 2016 #40
"a debate needs arguments, not just contradictions." EX500rider Oct 2016 #32
You feed me one-liners... TomVilmer Oct 2016 #34
You could share your knowledge... TomVilmer Oct 2016 #35
Cuba, after the Revolution has never cashed one of the wildly cheap checks the US Gov't tenders Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #36
Just off the top of my head the Philippines and Uzbekistan both did. EX500rider Oct 2016 #41
"... and tell which small countries managed to kick out US bases." EX500rider Oct 2016 #42
No, it doesn't. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 #38
The Marines have stored military equipment in Norway for decades hack89 Oct 2016 #23
Superb quotes directly from the county involved! Invaluable information. Thank you, TomVilmer. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #26
 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
5. When I was there as a Marine in the late 80's, the Norwegians I encountered...
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 02:59 PM
Oct 2016

Seemed happy for our presence. There was NO love or trust for the Soviet Union. I don't know if that's the case now, but the negative attitudes were very strong.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
8. Norway has been hosting NATO exercises for decades, this is hardly more "threatening".
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 03:28 PM
Oct 2016

Besides, having participated in one, I had the impression the Norwegians were happy to send a certain message to the SU.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
14. Unless they are going into combat, that's exactly what is. A rotational exercise to maintain...
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:58 PM
Oct 2016

Operational readiness in coordination with Norwegian forces. It's no more threatening than the thousands of NATO troops routinely and voluntarily hosted by Norway.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
22. The Marines have stored military equipment in Norway for decades
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 09:28 PM
Oct 2016

Enough gear and ammo to equip 15,000 Marines.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
10. Didnt you get the memo? Each one of those marines have been given the Super Soldier formula
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:10 PM
Oct 2016

and now each of them can defeat 100,000 soldiers single handed before breakfast.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
12. Initiating a plan to send troops to Norway for the first time in history seems threatening.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:24 PM
Oct 2016

They were not invited. Our government invited itself.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
15. "plan to send troops to Norway for the first time in history"
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:06 PM
Oct 2016

You mean besides the annual NATO exercises held in Norway every year with thousands of troops from different countries?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_Response

Believe it or not, some countries and citizens welcome US troops with open arms.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
16. This is completely different from an exercise.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:09 PM
Oct 2016

We all know oligarchs everywhere who live at the great expense of their people always look for ways to increase their wealth. They are pleased as punch to sell out the interests of the people. That's why the people don't like them.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
19. "We all know oligarchs everywhere who live at the great expense of their people.."
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:31 PM
Oct 2016

,,,,,all which has zero to do with the Norwegians wanting a US tripwire to keep the Russians at bay.

Believe it or not, in many parts of the world the boogieman is not the US but another country, in this case Russia.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
39. She has to stay on her front porch and watch for a Russian invasion from the East. Modern day Paul
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:52 PM
Oct 2016

Revere that one.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
24. So President Obama is an Oligarch?
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 09:42 PM
Oct 2016

And he is selling us out? Because that is what I believe you are saying. He had to approve sending those troops there. I think you need to delete your post, or else edit it.

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
7. the Russians and Scandanavians
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 03:15 PM
Oct 2016

have no love lost between the 2.

There have been plenty of military conflicts in that region and there is plenty of blame to go around over the last couple of centuries.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
17. A clear violation of Norwegian base and détente policy since 1949
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:15 PM
Oct 2016

That is the words of the Norwegian Peace Council.:
"... Deployment of 300 US troops at Værnes will be a clear violation of Norwegian base and détente policy since 1949. At a time when tensions between Russia and NATO increases, Norway should not contribute to unnecessary escalation of the conflict level. Norwegian Peace Council believes that it is difficult to imagine that an American fighting force at Værnes will not be considered a provocation by the Russian side. ... The US Marine Corps may be in place at Værnes within a relatively short time. It should be obvious that foreign countries' armed forces should not have bases on Norwegian soil while Norway is not attacked or are under threat of attack. Stationing violate the current political line in Norway since 1949, and should make all warning lights flashing. ..."

Norway's biggest news paper Aftenposten:
"300 US Marines in Nord-Trøndelag have limited military significance. But the political signal power is large if the deployment can be interpreted as a breach of a restraint that has characterized the Norwegian security policy for nearly 70 years. Something like that will fit like a glove for Moscow's propaganda apparatus."

Norway's biggest liberal news paper Klassekampen:
"Preparations to receive the US Marines is thus long since started, but the members of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defence were not informed. This raises constitutional questions."

Other reactions:
"Northern Norway will be laid waste and sacrificed at a possible nuke attack." - "The politicians who conducts this total prostration of the world's biggest war machine is on the other side guaranteed fat international positions and accounts." - "We need a defense of Norway - not of the USA."

US Bases are not a gift. They are a burden.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
20. "US Bases are not a gift. They are a burden."
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:06 PM
Oct 2016

How so, the US pays high rent for many of them and injects a lot of dollars in the local economy.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
28. Money is not all - and even that lacks
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:27 PM
Oct 2016

See my earlier post about Thule Air Base, where the Greenland people are getting screwed economically again and again. Lost nuclear bombs, nuclear waste and all other kind of waste getting released now the ice is melting. Or read about the bigger bases around the world, spreading corruption, drugs and prostitution and destroying fragile environment and culture. The price is too big for your hosts!

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
29. "The price is too big for your hosts!"
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:34 PM
Oct 2016

That's up to them isn't it?

A US base spreads corruption? How?

Drugs and prostitution exist with or without US bases.

US bases destroy culture? How?

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
30. Sorry - a debate needs arguments, not just contradictions...
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:18 AM
Oct 2016

"That's up to them isn't it?".
Think about the difference in power for small countries like Norway. This is in no way a negotiation between equals. Try to read my links, and return with something a bit qualified, thanks!

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
32. "a debate needs arguments, not just contradictions."
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:22 AM
Oct 2016

You make a statement and I say "How" is not a contradiction but a question.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
35. You could share your knowledge...
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:46 AM
Oct 2016

... and tell which small countries managed to kick out US bases. Cuba would like to know how. Greenland would like to get rent, but your squatters up there occupying the area refuse to pay for the space, and have never done it. Neither Greenland nor Denmark needs that base, but we have to accept it.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
36. Cuba, after the Revolution has never cashed one of the wildly cheap checks the US Gov't tenders
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:21 AM
Oct 2016

each year as payment on a lease the US made in an agreement with a US puppet in 1903. Of course, never adjusted for inflation, etc., but the country wouldn't take it, even then, as that agreement was made with a US puppet.

Small countries prefer to keep a low profile if they aren't connected to powerful allies, knowing already, what the most powerful country in the world can and would do to them if it decided to punish them as it has other countries trying to protect their people, their sovereignty.

http://www.soaw.org/presente/images/stories/artists/usinterventions.pdf

(Click for information.)

Half a century of U.S. interventions in Latin America, in one map

http://knowmore.washingtonpost.com/2014/02/11/half-a-century-of-u-s-interventions-in-latin-america-in-one-map/

hack89

(39,171 posts)
23. The Marines have stored military equipment in Norway for decades
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 09:29 PM
Oct 2016

Enough equipment and ammo for 15,000 Marines.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
26. Superb quotes directly from the county involved! Invaluable information. Thank you, TomVilmer. n/t
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:04 PM
Oct 2016
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