Ted Nugent Wonders If It Would It Have Been Better If 'The South Won The Civil War'
Source: Huffington Post
Mitt Romney surrogate and entertainer-turned-conservative-activist Ted Nugent cranked his political volume knob back up this week, penning an op-ed suggesting the Supreme Court's decision on Obamacare served as evidence that the United States would have been better off if "the South won the Civil War."
In a column for the Washington Times, Nugent blasted Chief Justice John Roberts for his "traitor vote," writing that Roberts "squandered the opportunity to restore judicial, financial and legislative sanity to a government that by any sane persons standards is insane and addicted to centralized federal control of our lives."
According to Nugent, the alleged trends of growing federal power and undermining states' rights began when the North won the Civil War -- a historical event that he appears to lament.
"Because our legislative, judicial and executive branches of government hold the 10th Amendment in contempt, Im beginning to wonder if it would have been best had the South won the Civil War. Our Founding Fathers concept of limited government is dead."
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/06/ted-nugent-civil-war-south-obamacare_n_1654524.html
Sarah Palin, Todd Palin, Rick Perry and now Nugent.
Republicans really are just a bunch of America-hating secessionists.
Expect Romney to denounce his pal Ted's comments a week from never.
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RKP5637
(67,112 posts)crap like Nugent spews.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Had gotten shot in Vietnam.....which he dodged with every turd in his body.
Coward.
The Wizard
(12,546 posts)the army for giving some guy a hand job in the shower. Some say there's a powerful Republican senator who can lay claim to hand jobs in the shower.
47of74
(18,470 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)Speck Tater
(10,618 posts)today the right-wingers would be complaining about illegal immigrants from Mississippi crossing into the U.S.
mlevans
(843 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)but NEVER take your eyes off this ilks hands, and please don't turn your back on cowards like this.
cyclezealot
(4,802 posts)Check out how he avoided the draft...
Who would have been better off. Had the South won the war, we'd not have had GW Bush as our president nor Trent Lott and friends running the Congress.
Siwsan
(26,286 posts)He might have grown up and acquired a little credibility, on some level. And that's a mighty big MIGHT.
To be perfectly clear, I was totally against the Viet Nam War, and mourn everyone we lost, either physically or emotionally. But I am even MORE totally against ignorant, loud mouthed chicken hawks.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)"...ignorant, loud mouthed chicken hawks."
It's like he's made a shrine of sorts to his soiled knickers, as though his efforts to avoid the war were somehow noble.
targetpractice
(4,919 posts)I'm not sure what Kid Rock (the other 50%) thinks about the matter.
AnnieLaurie
(4 posts)lmfao!
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I think you can make pant-loads after moving to Shitzstonia!
Of course, it Depends! :-*
patrice
(47,992 posts)Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)Of course, that would be because in the face of dissolution and hard feelings, either the Confederacy or the Union would possibly have allied with Germany in WWI.
That is just complete conjecture, of course.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)Repeated wars and eventually an American Holocaust.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)And american corporations aided and abetted Hitlers rise to power and still helped him through the course of the war.
enki23
(7,789 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)I've heard conservatives blaming everything on the Sixties, now I know they mean the 1860's.
tanyev
(42,594 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but that movie oddly intrigues me.
tanyev
(42,594 posts)Haven't seen the movie yet.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I may have to go looking for it.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)and I don't go for that 'vampire stuff'. But being a bit of a 'civil war bore' I can tell you that it (the book) was pretty good in whatever historical references they made, they were pretty accurate. (Except of course that Jeff Davis was a vampire, and stuff like that).
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)The two best are "Pride & Prejudice & Zombies" and the Lincoln book.
I really hope they make a movie of the Austen mashup, and it would tickle me pink if Keira Knightley played the Shaolin monk-trained zombie killer Elizabeth Bennet. Again. Well, she wasn't a zombie killer in the other P & P.
Trunk Monkey
(950 posts)But I have heard it speculated that had the South won the civil war neither the CSA or the USA would have had the industrial might to defeat the Axis during World War Two.
Don't know how you could authoritatively postulate that but if true we'd have been screwed
fujiyama
(15,185 posts)thus not leading to Germany's bitter defeat in WWI, reparations, depressed economy, and the rise of Hitler...
kurt_cagle
(534 posts)One reason that Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation (which in fact served only as a promissory note as it did not free slaves in the Union territories and applied only to slaves in the South) was that several European Countries (including England and France) were exploring ties with the CSA and Lincoln knew that making the Civil War primarily about slavery would have insured that any country supporting the CSA would have been branded as pro-slavery, which could have been a political nightmare for the leaders of those countries. As it was, the action kept Europe out of the war.
The South was an agrarian society that supplied the raw materials for the Union's mills at considerably lower prices than it could have achieved had it bought the raw materials from England or the Caribbean. As it was, during the Civil War the Union did end up buying British cotton as well as relying upon cotton production in Haiti and Cuba to make up the shortfall, but it was also expanding westward, and by the end of the war had actually built up a fairly extensive cotton production capability in Illinois, Kentucky and Iowa. This meant that at the time, the Union was actually quite well equipped to "go it alone" if it had to, and up to the attack on Harper's Ferry, there were many within the North who felt that trying to keep the South in the Union was a losing proposition. After that attack, however, sentiment quickly shifted in favor of war on both sides, especially since had the US split peacefully, it would have meant that Lincoln would have faced a potentially hostile political force to the south as well as an uncertain political force from Canada (remember that the War of 1812 was still within living memory of most people, and England was far from being a US ally at the time.
The South lost because of a lack of industrial capabilities - it could simply not produce enough guns, cannons, and uniforms fast enough, nor get them to forces quickly enough, to stem the tide coming from the North. It had superior generals, but lacked logistical support for the generals to take advantage of that fact. Yet taking Nugent's comment one step further, suppose that the US had split without the war, or that Lincoln had been killed in 1862 rather than 1865 or some other factor had occurred in which the secession remained in effect. What then?
The southern strategy had always involved capturing Northern Mexico and the key Caribbean islands as part of the CSA, and of then supplying raw materials directly to Europe rather than going through Yankee middlemen. This would not only reduce the overall profitability of Northern (primarily New York) companies, but would also have made it possible for the South to keep their slave populations offshore, as it was becoming increasingly evident that improved automation would have begun to reduce the benefit of maintaining slaves on the mainland (the cotton gin being the primary factor in changing that equation). So it is likely that while the status of blacks in the South would not have improved markedly, slavery would have been "offshored" and given the South the means to reducing the overall population of blacks compared to whites (which was becoming an increasing concern throughout the south). Thus, by 1880, the South would have been nominally no longer in the slave trade, though that would only mean that they would be enslaving people outside of the normal orbit of European eyes.
In essence this would have enabled the south to develop an industrial base of its own, which it was well embarked upon by the time Sherman did his march through Georgia. However, culturally, it was more in sync with England but without England's extensive colonial base, and the government in the South would have become a landed aristocracy very quickly, quite possibly with a king and a reduced role for the unlanded sharecroppers, indentures and craftspeople - even as England was undergoing a massive industrialization effort and becoming more like the Union.
The two countries would have then raced for the West Coast, the South by land, the North by Sea. Since the North had superior naval power, they would have eventually dominated there, and consequently its likely that the South would have extended West to Texas, and possibly to Arizona, but would never taken California. However, the South would also have encountered considerable resistance from Mexico, and likely would have had their ambitions thwarted there. Without colonies capable of producing raw foodstuffs and organics, metals or energy, the South would eventually have faltered and become increasingly unstable over time, although the emergence of oil as a primary energy source may have swung things in the other direction.
Neither the USA or the CSA would have intervened in World War I, which was largely a war to determine who would have gained control over the breakup of the Ottoman Empire (the Germans, the Russians, or the British). This would likely have resulted in a stalemate. The French would have lost a little territory, the Russians would end up with a warm water port, and the Germans and British would have split control of the Middle East between them. The Treaty of Versailles, with its onerous war reparation payments on Germany, would never have been signed, and the Weimar Republic would have then been able to siphon off the resources of the middle east and build up its middle class, without the disastrous buildup of extremist sentiment that led to Hitler seizing power as Chancellor in 1932.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)I am sure that is exactly what terrible ted meant to say.
Thank you for your theory. But what if Lincoln had lived to serve his second term? The emboldened south might not have been satisfied with independence. The flood of fleeing slaves and the humanitarian dissaster would have been epic, and the war would resume. It would have been even worse. Rather than destroy Atlanta the Union army would have had to raise the entire coast as well as all major cities. The CSA leaders should have been executed, as traitors. Relegated to the same historical status as Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, where they belong.
The problem with the history as I see it is the heroization of these traitors to America. That enables hate filled bigots to carry forth un ashamedly to this day.
Ted wants to resurrect the clan. We all know what 'states rights ' ,means. It means the right to be bigots.
Ted is a bigot.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Well, you see it wrong.
But that's because you have lived your whole life after the Civil War. Before, the USA was a much more loose confederation of states and the Fed did not have the power it does after the Civil War. There was nothing in law that said a state couldn't opt out of the country. But Lincoln argued that the USA was a contract among the states and parties could not opt out without the consent of all states. This was new in the mid 19th century.
So you see, it's not as easy a call as you might think. History is complicated and involves notions that seem concrete today, but did not exist back then.
Like they repeatedly pointed out in Ken Burn's documentary, before the Civil War, it was "The United States of America ARE...." After the Civil War, it was "The United States of America IS...."
These things seem like details today, but in the 1850's and 1860's, they were not details.
The Civil War is fascinating! And not just as a list of battles and the end of slavery.
It must also be noted that the South did not remotely achieve a single one of its goals. It was a complete failure for them. Meanwhile, the North fought with one hand behind its back. They never stopped construction of the Capital Building during the 4 years of war. The South's cause was hopeless from the beginning. The real problem is the false notion there was even a chance.
Trunk Monkey
(950 posts)The Little Bighorn might not have happened, Custer (A solid democrat) could have become President.
If the South had abolished slavery England , likely, would have recognized them.
God only knows where we'ed be then
Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)Maybe he would have mellowed the fuck out.
Doc Holliday
(719 posts)if Ted's mama had had an abortion....or if his daddy had used a condom.
Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)Not from the enemy, but from fragging of course.
neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)mitchtv
(17,718 posts)as the USA couldn't have afforded the purchase, no war with Spain ; therefore No Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam.
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)I'm guessing speculative alternate history is not Nugent's strongest talent.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)The US influence in the islands dates from before the Civil War, and the islands were annexed in 1898 after Queen Liliuokalani was forced to abdicate for a second time.
And the US may have fought a war with Spain regardless because the main reason was to take the Philippines to stop the southern expansion of the Japanese Empire (which is one reason why Cuba was granted its independence in 1902 but the Philippines had to wait until 1946).
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)waging a war about 90 miles from its coast. Gaining the Philippines I can see, but not the territories in the Caribbean.
Bette Noir
(3,581 posts)And been half-term governor of a Russian province.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Doc Holliday
(719 posts)If you really are curious about your nonsensical shoulda-woulda-coulda garbage, take your ignorant twit ass down to a video rental store or simply watch IFC once in a while. You'll have to pull your head out of your ass to watch it-- but perhaps you'll be able to see a pretty cool movie called CSA: Confederate States of America, which hypothesizes a Confederate victory and projects history forward from there. Your dumb ass would probably think it was good; in fact, you'll probably watch the closing credits with tears coursing down your cheeks, moaning "Why, God? Why couldn't You have given us this kind of world?"
I've never met you, but I really do think that you're just that fucking braindead. (After all, I used to listen to your records.)
FraDon
(518 posts)A Spike Lee project. It was extremely uncomfortable to stick-with it-at the start but
I say worth a look; you may be surprised.
ladym55
(2,577 posts)Why on earth do media outlets give these hate-filled jerks air time?
Whenever I hear something this moronic, I think to myself, "How can I miss you if YOU DON'T GO AWAY????"
I don't CARE what Ted Nugent thinks. He is a racist moron.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)in Nugent's addled brain. Why doesn't Nugent just come out and say he hates Roberts for occasionally agreeing with a black President?
JHB
(37,161 posts)Considering the number of times I've been told to "go back to Russia" over the mildest expression of liberal views, it's time to start telling these nuts where they can go back to themselves. And since I don't want to inflict him on people I'll make apologies to the penguins.
Or you could pick the North Pole, Nuge. After all, climate change is a hoax and that ice will always be nice and thick, right? Besides, the polar bears need some love. And dinner.
mzmolly
(51,003 posts)He simply admits he's an ignorant a bigot.
mountain grammy
(26,642 posts)Nugent never spoke, sang, or appeared in public again.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)He's more like Romney's anti- surrogate.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)What does he think would have happened? The North would have been weakened, and probably lost Washington DC and Maryland but eventually would have recovered and prospered, fed by the newly opened lands in the West and benefiting from the influx of escaped slaves with many useful skills. The South likely would not have survived as an independent country. It would have been torn apart by racial warfare and Texas likely would have seceded and become an independent state again. Economically the South would have been way worse off, lacking the industrial capacity of the North and drained by a weak inflated currency and the cost of racial warfare. Slavery and racial warfare would have caused England and France to turn their backs on the South. Blacks would have fled in droves to the North, creating severe labor shortages which would have further weakened the agricultural economy. By the early twentieth century it is likely that wealthier and more progressive Southern states such as Virginia and Maryland as well as most of the other border states, would likely have petitioned the United States for reentry into the Union. A chastened South could only have come back with greatly reduced state's rights than what they enjoy today. Nugent is nuts.
primavera
(5,191 posts)I agree 100% with your analysis and likely outcome, but, had the South had to reap for themselves the consequences of their imbecility and subsequently gone back, hat in hand, looking to re-join the US, perhaps humility might have made them a more enlightened addition to the US than they are now, forever stroking their hard-ons over their lost independence. Mind you, I rather doubt that's what old Ted had in mind...
gopiscrap
(23,762 posts)it would also be nice not having those damn 38 electoral votes of Texas going R all the time.
unc70
(6,117 posts)The best answer would have been no Civil War. For North, South, free, slave,...
But the myth of slave South vs "free" North is just that -- a myth. The division in the country before the War was not slave vs free, it was slave vs white only. A free man of color in NC (a natural born citizen, even in the case of a freed slave), could not move to most of the states in the mid-west, could not own real property in much of the rest of the North.
The wealth earned from the slave trade itself mostly went to New England. The slave trade was centered in Newport, RI. The factory farms of the Deep South were mostly financed by New England to raise cotton for the mills in NE, mostly owned by the same families rich from the slave trade, the triangular trade we all learned in middle school.
MADem
(135,425 posts)of Ted living in a fantasy world where the South won the war.
Him and Mittsy, sitting on the verandah with their mint juleps, surrounded by people waiting on them... that they OWN...!
That Nugent is beyond being just a little bit thick. He's PAINFULLY stupid!
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)You pretty much have to be a racist to wish that the South had won the war. Imagine the consequences for blacks.
NeverEnuff
(147 posts)Who cares what this child molesting pants shitting chicken hawk has to say.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Just before this article I saw the pictures of Obama and the 9 month old baby.
The Right Wing is so crazy they don't even know how they appear to the sane.
frankroberts
(35 posts)www.fuckthesouth.com
Maynar
(769 posts)that little rant- I pull it out when I need to vent. Sadly more often than I'd like...
demosincebirth
(12,541 posts)the south as we have now. I think he was the most courageous president we ever had.
just1voice
(1,362 posts)Has about as much pertinence to anything.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)built on rock n roll.
AnnieLaurie
(4 posts)... hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)That should be the headline.
Courtesy Flush
(4,558 posts)How the RW can stand to look at him is a mystery to me.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)In fact only uses that term for Democrats like Bill Clinton. Obviously they're preferable to actual war heroes, if said war heroes are Democrats. To them, nothing is worse than being a Democrat or a liberal.
sakabatou
(42,169 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)If the South had succeeded in becoming a separate country, *we* would have been the winners if it would rid us of jackasses like you. Unfortunately, jackasses like you are everywhere.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)delivered
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)the confederacy didn't have much luck at developing technology
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)who really gives a shit what he says?
Amonester
(11,541 posts)the idiocies that that Rmoney surrogate spouts.
Speaks volume...
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)They were an enemy of the US and should have been dealt with as such.
In addition, there should be NO commemorative events, stamps, coins, etc...to celebrate the pro-slavery confederacy.
alp227
(32,046 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)Might as well interview that crazy guy on the street corner shouting things about "The New World Order".
It would have the same relevance to reality.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,804 posts)Just think: If Henry V had been defeated, maybe France would have maintained control over England. If England had remained a French colony, there wouldn't have been Pilgrims settling in New England (and it wouldn't have been called that). Maybe French settlers would have come to North America instead, and maybe France would have owned the whole damn thing, not just Louisiana. And then there wouldn't have been a CSA vs. USA, no civil war, and we would have all been speaking French. And who knows if there'd have been a Ted Nugent at all?
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
Well, the facts of the 100 year war, was not how was to control the other - it was about how was the "lord" of the two country's It all goes back to William the bastard, who was Duke of Normandie - and king of England.. The whole thing is based on who was the higher king, between England and France.. Who was the rightfully king of the two country, as the Duke of Normandie had ben a vassal of the King of france - even though the Dukes have had great control over Normandie - and more or less ruled the area as a independent kingdom - who just accepted the french king as their overlord..
England - and France I doubt had been one nations, I doubt the gents in England never would have accepted to be ruled from Paris - as the gents in France never would have been accepted to be ruled from London.. If Henry V had been defeated, and maybe taken into custody, it would have given a nasty blow to England's power both in Europe and specially when it came to the british crown .. But I doubt a french king would have been crowned in Westminster's Abbey because of the capture, or murder of the english King.. It was mighty families, and baronies who would happy release the captured or killed english king on the throne - and continued to fight the french ambitions to the english crown...
And to be honest - the french was never more gentle when it came to use the colonies in north america - or otherwise to their own benefits - they was brutal as few - maybe had been worse if it had not been a check/balances between England and France..
And the France revolution of 1789, and all the new ideas about repretations for the people had been there all along.. I doubt we would have had a french king in Paris - even if France had beated the crap out of the english king (who by all means, was well educated in both french and english - as the english king, for hundreds of years was deeply connected both to their land in Normandie, but also to the different courts in France - even to the France Court itself..
Diclotican
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,804 posts)although it proved the effectiveness of the longbow. All the English royalty were actually French anyhow in those days. So maybe it wouldn't have made much difference in the long run. I was just positing a "what-if" kind of like Ted Nugent's stupid Civil War example. Food for thought.
Sirveri
(4,517 posts)Their colonial possessions have fared better than most. Could be worse though, we could have been an Italian possession (if Italy existed at that time).
magic59
(429 posts)an expert pervert. His history lessons were taken from the school of Glenn Beck.
rateyes
(17,438 posts)STFU. Coward.
Botany
(70,551 posts)Look it up Ted .... the CSA Constitution had written into it's laws the right to own slaves.
Ted Nugent talking about history is like Rush Limbaugh's take on the SCOTUS/Obama care
and how it plays w/ the Constitution.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)That's rightwing logic.
underpants
(182,861 posts)and I thought his career ending with the Damn Yankees -- holy crap did they find a new level of suck.
bayareaboy
(793 posts)Who really wrote the piece? Did he have David Duke write it for him?
I mean Teddy can't even do #2.
radhika
(1,008 posts)No Civil Wars, no deaths, no Confederate two-bit Dixie histrionics. Just require that slaves be set free to move North or back to nation of their choice/origin. I could live with that.
methodman
(23 posts)One reason the tea party Congress is so angry is they don't have a theme song. suggest Wango Tango. It seems to be blessed by their Gawd Vader "Stone Wall Jackson"
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)...Will the media ask Romeny about the comments of his prominent backer and surrogate?
Skittles
(153,174 posts)if you don't march in goosestep to repukes you are a traitor - so says a guy who literally shit his pants to avoid military service
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Allow me to point out that like it or not, we are all the beneficiaries of the Union having won the Civil War. Anything that we have and that we can be proud of--and Ted has a lot of that--is a direct result of the South having lost.
That is not an opinion. That is a fact supported by all the evidence we Americans see around us every single day. That is the reality of being an American. Ted needs to get more in touch with reality.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)There was over 4 million slaves in the South who were becoming increasingly more bold in their desperation to escape slavery. I have absolutely no doubt that more people like Brown would have come to the slaves' aid with arms and incite a rebellion that would have resulted in slave holders being eventually slaughtered by the thousands. It is inconceivable that with four million enemies that nothing to lose, except their chains, could be controlled for much longer. The Southerners should actually be glad that they the North prevailed, because at least they weren't entirely wiped out in a wholesale rebellion. I can only imagine the violence that would have been unleashed by years of inhumane treatment of Black people who were regarded as nothing more than cattle. The slave owners had become increasingly more evil in their treatment of slaves and didn't hesitate to sell off the children for going rate of $500.00 a head without a shred of decency. The Southerners were sitting on a time bomb that only needed a spark of resistance to set it off.
TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)shut up and don't sing.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)He is below-average of your man in the street
Z_California
(650 posts)The Obama campaign should now publicly press Mittens to proclaim that he supports the Union's victory in the Civil War.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)...but better than a lot of senseless blood-letting; how about we just let the South leave the union. They can try to re-install their slavery idea, pour oil all over the southeast coastline, deny global warming until they cook to death in the heat and majestic storms of weather, and pound their chests to the evangelical beat of homophobic worship to some old white god they bow down to under their white sheets.
I'm all for letting the South leave. Hell, I've watched ALL the documentaries I can find on the Civil War and the Post Civil War, and honest to God, that part of the country is worthless and filled with bigot haters, while waving their Bibles in the air. We are dragging their ignorant asses along with progress, and they are kicking and screaming all the way. They are a drain on the national treasury, and the only redeeming value they have is supplying poor, hopeless fodder in to the armed forces for us to keep shredding up with needless wars...they usually start. To hell with them.
Let those that want to leave the South join us in the North, and they can all go to hell in a hand basket. Worthless...and this dumb ass, pompous and worthless clown is the worst of them all..but typical of the mindset down South.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)W T F
(1,148 posts)crim son
(27,464 posts)mwooldri
(10,303 posts)This was a mockumentary made taking as if the South won the war, but most historical events afterwards happened to remain similar.
Interesting movie... I think anyone who states "what if the South had won" should watch this movie.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)He gets way too much press... way too much.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)Maybe we wouldn't have to hear from him.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)Just like nugent holds the 13th, 14th, and 15th in contempt?
muntrv
(14,505 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Bozvotros
(785 posts)-wing batshit nuts. But he can take comfort in the fact that it's still possible for him to take a giant draft dodging dump in the soft cotton panties that Bangladesh garment slaves make for 13 cents an hour.
Suji to Seoul
(2,035 posts)AnnieLaurie
(4 posts)Didn't read all the replies, so I don't mean to repeat, but sometimes I think Lincoln should've just let the South go (and I live there, in TN). The Southernization of the nation is engulfing all things remotely intellectual and informed. No wonder the GOP concentrates itself here. It's so easy to exploit the Southern mentality I almost don't blame the GOP for doing so. (just kidding - sort of)
classof56
(5,376 posts)Such a beautiful song, by the way! I have relatives in Texas (guess that's considered the South) and yes, they seem to be easily exploited by the GOP as you described it. Very sad. Spot on, your statement about the Southernization of the nation. Hadn't really thought of it that way. I don't give much credence to Nugent's ravings, but it's disturbing that there are those who do. Hard for me to fathom that they would throw away the blessings of our country in favor of the terrible history I thought we had risen above. Again, sad and very scary, too.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)instead of molesting underaged girls. Perhaps if he'd tried a few psychedelics back in the day, he wouldn't be such an unenlightened, full of shit douchenozzle. I love how Republicans reminisce about the 'good 'ol days' completely disregarding any and all experience people of color might have had, as if it doesn't matter. It's so callous it's breathtaking.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)No reading of history, even that of southern sympathizers, supports his argument.
He should have just stuck to music.
His record with women and politics is pathetic.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Mr. Nugent would have been born in a much larger Ontario.
mykpart
(3,879 posts)who would like to meet Ted Nugent. They believe they can convince him to change his thinking.
canuckledragger
(1,656 posts)...they never would have stopped at just the slavery of black people.
I think 'The Handmaiden's Tale' would have been a distinct reality quite a bit sooner than when it was written for.
sendero
(28,552 posts).... it would have been better if the folks at Selective Service would have ignored the fact that Ted pissed and shitted himself for a week and had a "career" and just sent him to Vietnam anyway.
Then if he didn't make it back at least some good could have come of the war.
tru
(237 posts)assuming that resulted in two countries, not one run by the South.
Slavery would have died of its own accord. The time for that is the only downside.
Imagine a country of primarily Blue states.
santamargarita
(3,170 posts)WinstonSmith4740
(3,056 posts)When Alex is forced to watch the film with ongoing violence? All these cretins need to watch a movie I caught for the first time a few weeks ago. It's called "CSA, The Confederate States of America", and it's based on just that premise. If it doesn't make you want to puke, you're a rabid right-winger. Go away.
benld74
(9,909 posts)SpankMe
(2,963 posts)If the south had been allowed to secede, then maybe these mouth-breathing, Neanderthal, Taliban-wannabe's would have created there own sickening, ass-backward nation and left the rest of us to move forward with a civilized and humane society without having to expend huge amounts of energy today fighting just to stop America from rolling backward.
I'd like to give the south back to the south right now, build a wall around it and let them baste themselves in their own ideological shit.
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IndyJones
(1,068 posts)Gabby Hayes
(289 posts).......little girls with bad intent.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)I remember them talking about trying to attract more AAs, and they even gave Herman Cain a chance to shine. But judging from Nugent's Civil War comments and a motherload of other dog whistles during the 2012 primaries, have they given up on pursuing the Black vote?
drynberg
(1,648 posts)Lots, but in this case, a draft dodging half assed rocker who is a Damn Fool, and the stupid press and others that follow his every word. He is a National Embarrassment and should be SHUNNED.
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)No matter what, tough talking chickenhawk Ted would crap his pants and live in his own filth to avoid going.
Mkap
(223 posts)Im sure sometime back in the civil war days some person related to the Nuge dodge the draft by crapping and peeing his pants
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)The South fought over the legality of slavery. There were slaves.
At least we all know that had Ted been alive, he wouldn't have fought for either side.
MissMillie
(38,570 posts).
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,584 posts)why do we continue to give credence to him? He has none. Oh wait, we don't really have media anymore. We have Info-tainment.
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)His Uber-patriotism has a Nazi mentality to it.