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riversedge

(70,284 posts)
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 04:12 AM Nov 2016

Jesse Jackson: Obama should pardon Hillary Clinton

Source: Detroit Free Press



David Jesse , Detroit Free Press 3:49 p.m. EST


November 17, 2016


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At a campaign rally in Novi, Michigan Friday evening, Donald Trump asked President Barack Obama not to "pardon Clinton and her co-conspirators" if any charges were filed related to the email scandal. (Sept. 30) AP
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Speaking at President Gerald Ford's alma mater, The Rev. Jesse Jackson called for President Obama to issue a blanket pardon to Hillary Clinton before he leaves office, just like Ford did for Richard Nixon.

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"It would be a monumental moral mistake to pursue the indictment of Hillary Clinton," Jackson said. He said issuing the pardon could help heal the nation, like Ford's pardon of Nixon did.


"President Ford said we don't need him for trophy. We need to move on. President Nixon wasn't convicted of a crime. He didn't apply for a pardon. (Ford) did it because he thought it would be best for the country.

"Hillary Clinton has not been tried, but there are those who want to drag her for the next three years. It will not stop until they find a reason to put her in jail. That would be a travesty."

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Read more: http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/16/jesse-jackson-obama-pardon-hillary-clinton/93979554/




I fear for Hillary. I really do think that the Republicans will do anything to 'lock her up"!!
Interesting article below--



►Related: Here's why President Obama is unlikely to pardon Hillary Clinton



http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/14/obama-last-minute-pardons-clinton-snowden-pardon-attorney/93784856/


Here's why President Obama is unlikely to pardon Hillary Clinton



Gregory Korte , USA TODAY 4:19 p.m. EST


November 14, 2016

The power to grant pardons is one of the most controversial presidential powers. Throughout history, many criminals have been spared life in prison. We've collected a list of the most remembered ones.


WASHINGTON — Hillary Clinton will not get a pardon from President Obama.

If Obama is to be kept to his word, neither will former CIA director David Petraeus, convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, intelligence contractor Edward Snowden or Pvt. Chelsea Manning, all of whom were accused or convicted of mishandling classified information.

The reason is simple: None of them has applied to the Office of the Pardon Attorney for executive clemency.

Obama addressed “last-minute” presidential pardons at a news conference in August. “The process that I put in place is not going to vary depending on how close I get to the election,” he said in response to a question from USA TODAY. “So it's going to be reviewed by the pardon attorney, it will be reviewed by my White House counsel, and I'm going to, as best as I can, make these decisions based on the merits, as opposed to political considerations.”

White House spokesman Josh Earnest confirmed last week that Obama hasn’t changed that philosophy after the election. “I wouldn’t speculate at this point about what impact that may have on hypothetical pardon requests that he receives. I'll just say that the guidance that President Obama shared with you is still operative.”

.......................... Trump aides have refused to rule out a prosecution after Inauguration Day...................











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Jesse Jackson: Obama should pardon Hillary Clinton (Original Post) riversedge Nov 2016 OP
for what? FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #1
Precisely! nt longship Nov 2016 #3
exactly---what are the charges? And BTW, if Hillary is charged, so should be Colin Powell wordpix Nov 2016 #9
So should Trump, for destroying documentation against court orders. JHB Nov 2016 #44
same as nixon- any and all. mopinko Nov 2016 #11
For protection from POLITICAL PERSECUTION. Hortensis Nov 2016 #21
I posted a thread about this story in GD yesterday morning TexasTowelie Nov 2016 #2
Thanks. I missed it and will read now. riversedge Nov 2016 #8
The rightwing Republican machine got what it wanted. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #4
This is ridiculous. Jesse is out of his f'n mind LibraLiz1973 Nov 2016 #5
1 nitpicker Nov 2016 #6
??? For what? paleotn Nov 2016 #7
........ LeftInTX Nov 2016 #10
I wouldn't mind a blanket pardon for her at all. Fuck the GOP world wide wally Nov 2016 #12
Clinton cannot be pardoned. She has not been convicted of a crime. Nitram Nov 2016 #13
Riddle me this Brother Buzz Nov 2016 #24
OK, Brother, I checked it out and you're right and I was wrong. Nitram Nov 2016 #34
BECAUSE HE KNEW NIXON HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG Skittles Nov 2016 #51
He never was a fan of the Clintons bc Bill didn't pick him as VP flygal Nov 2016 #28
If they are already cranking up the new hearings machine, they will be emboldened to push Historic NY Nov 2016 #14
They've already stated this is their intention. She WILL be charged, Pathwalker Nov 2016 #16
An indictment? IndyJones Nov 2016 #31
The difference Jesse forgets is the FBI already said what she did is not worth pursuing criminal cstanleytech Nov 2016 #15
For what ? obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2016 #17
He's afraid that the Trump justice department will find some way to indict her and Bill andym Nov 2016 #18
A retroactive, guilt-tinged pardon isn't the way to deal with such a possibility. Paladin Nov 2016 #19
Agree-- a pardon would smack of implied guilt andym Nov 2016 #20
Understood. Sorry that Rev. Jackson voiced this opinion, I've admired him for years. (nt) Paladin Nov 2016 #22
And that means what exactly? Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #37
Pesidential Pardon: Assumption of guilt by right wing. Horrible idea. Paladin Nov 2016 #45
She is never running for office again Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #46
All Sessions has to do at Justice is appoint a Special Prosecutor for Benghazi and classified emails Zen Democrat Nov 2016 #56
Absolutely,Obama owes this to her in my opinion. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #58
They don't care. And Hillary does not need to fight the rest of her life to stop them. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #61
I'm through with arguing with you. (nt) Paladin Nov 2016 #62
We can agree to disagree. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #63
Like to see Trump and his comrades try. phallon Nov 2016 #23
They will try. And don't assume they won't succeed...may I remind Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #38
While Smootchy advises Trump phallon Nov 2016 #42
Yes, Hillary deserves better. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #47
This is wrong on so many levels robbob Nov 2016 #25
Who care what they think. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #39
Yeah, you're right robbob Nov 2016 #53
By the time we 'know' it will be too late for a pardon. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #59
Even Trump's not stupid enough to pursue this non-crime BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #26
Mark my words. They will do this. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #40
There is nothing to pardon her for. What he should do is fire comey NOW while he is president still_one Nov 2016 #27
Its not good either way LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #29
They would appoint a special prosecutor. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #35
True enough LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #48
You are wrong and it is an easy bone to throw to their base. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #41
don't you have to be indicted first? 0rganism Nov 2016 #30
Nope. Nixon was never indicted. He was an "unindicted co-conspirator." Zen Democrat Nov 2016 #57
An earlier piece arguing for a Clinton pardon moonscape Nov 2016 #32
for what? tenderfoot Nov 2016 #33
Clinton could be sent to prison. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #43
FOR WHAT? Skittles Nov 2016 #50
That won't matter Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #60
He should pardon her for anything to do with emails Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #36
SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG Skittles Nov 2016 #49
Ken Starr chained Susan MacDougal to a toilet in L.A. county jail Pathwalker Nov 2016 #54
You've lost your mind, old man. tavernier Nov 2016 #52
She hasn't been convicted of anything Politicub Nov 2016 #55

JHB

(37,161 posts)
44. So should Trump, for destroying documentation against court orders.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:44 PM
Nov 2016

Not to mention Mitt Romney, Rock Perry, andJebsclamationpoint, for various email improprieties, and the whole Dubya Bush White House for 22 million emails missing from their own private server.

mopinko

(70,197 posts)
11. same as nixon- any and all.
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:27 AM
Nov 2016

he can make it absolutely clear that she is guilty of nothing, and he is doing it to protect the country from the spectacle of a trial of a political opponent.

i think it is a good idea, and a great place for him to let it rip with what he thinks it means to have an orange ape at the controls of this country.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. For protection from POLITICAL PERSECUTION.
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 02:55 PM
Nov 2016

I was hoping it won't come to that kind of banana-republic "justice," but appointment of Jeff Sessions as Attorney General is a very dangerous sign.

It seems sure that various advanced nations would offer her asylum, and presumably the Clinton Foundation could be moved out of the U.S. to one of them, but I doubt they'd want to become exiles, no matter how warmly welcomed by their new country.

It would be taken by many as proof of guilt, but of course the Clinton lynch mob never required proof in the first place--just a rope. This is the kind of stuff the lynch mob sucks up:

Monica Petersen Killed for Investigating Clinton-Related Sex Trafficking in Haiti?
http://www.snopes.com/monica-petersen-killed/

Poor Ms. Petersen's death on 11/13 was immediately exploited to feed the mob frenzy. AFTER Hillary lost the election. Another very dangerous portent. The Trump extremists dismantling institutions that the mob actually wants to keep will need to be able to distract the coming rage, and what better target than evil Hillary?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
4. The rightwing Republican machine got what it wanted.
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 05:05 AM
Nov 2016

They are finished with Hillary.

There was never any crime. It was all about perception.

The question is...who will be the next imaginary evil Bond villain. Maybe that would tell us again who they fear the most?

paleotn

(17,946 posts)
7. ??? For what?
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 08:39 AM
Nov 2016

....she's been cleared of any mishandling of supposed classified info. Comparing the private server with the misdeeds of Pollard, Manning and Snowden is absolutely fucking ridiculous. Hey, why not throw Aldrich Ames in there too. What complete bullshit!!!

world wide wally

(21,754 posts)
12. I wouldn't mind a blanket pardon for her at all. Fuck the GOP
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:39 AM
Nov 2016

And I think that it on the same day, he should fire fucking Comey

Nitram

(22,853 posts)
13. Clinton cannot be pardoned. She has not been convicted of a crime.
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:43 AM
Nov 2016

WTF is Jackson talking about? It's like admission of guilt.

Nitram

(22,853 posts)
34. OK, Brother, I checked it out and you're right and I was wrong.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 12:33 PM
Nov 2016

Of course, there was solid evidence that Nixon had committed high crimes and misdemeanors. while Clinton has been exhaustively investigated and no grounds for indictment have been discovered. Nevertheless, the Trump Administration could make her life miserable for many years, and they might even get lucky and find some excuse to indict her. By the way, Ford wrote that one of the reasons he granted the pardon was that a pardon carries with it some assumption of guilt.

flygal

(3,231 posts)
28. He never was a fan of the Clintons bc Bill didn't pick him as VP
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 04:38 PM
Nov 2016

I remember him complaining the Gore pick.

Historic NY

(37,452 posts)
14. If they are already cranking up the new hearings machine, they will be emboldened to push
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:00 AM
Nov 2016

for an indictment.

Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
16. They've already stated this is their intention. She WILL be charged,
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 12:21 PM
Nov 2016

because their base demands it - facts be damned.

IndyJones

(1,068 posts)
31. An indictment?
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 02:08 AM
Nov 2016

For what? There has to be cause for an indictment. If she's done nothing wrong, that seems an odd request.

cstanleytech

(26,317 posts)
15. The difference Jesse forgets is the FBI already said what she did is not worth pursuing criminal
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:50 AM
Nov 2016

charges over where as there was no such recommendation made for Nixon by the FBI.
Besides if Trump wants to really be stupid enough to try and pursue this Clinton will win and then maybe we will have an impeachment of Trump followed by him dragging the entire GOP down with him.

andym

(5,445 posts)
18. He's afraid that the Trump justice department will find some way to indict her and Bill
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 02:19 PM
Nov 2016

Always remember where there's a will there's a way. A show trial would be a great way to keep people distracted and pump up Trump supporters. Only question is does Jeff Sessions have the nerve to do it.

Paladin

(28,271 posts)
19. A retroactive, guilt-tinged pardon isn't the way to deal with such a possibility.
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 02:49 PM
Nov 2016

If the Trump regime is stupid enough to pursue such charges, the proper response is massive public demonstrations---coast-to-coast, and as violent as necessary. Count me in.

andym

(5,445 posts)
20. Agree-- a pardon would smack of implied guilt
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 02:52 PM
Nov 2016

But I was just explaining why Jesse Jackson is thinking along the lines he is.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
37. And that means what exactly?
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:39 PM
Nov 2016

I like Hillary and don't want her to have to through any bullshit...Obama should say...I won't allow the US to persecute an innocent person for political reason therefore,....yada yada.

Paladin

(28,271 posts)
45. Pesidential Pardon: Assumption of guilt by right wing. Horrible idea.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:23 PM
Nov 2016

The Trump regime should be made aware that any moves to prosecute Hillary for anything at this point will be met with forceful public blowback: massive demonstrations, organized boycotts of all things Trump, etc. etc.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
56. All Sessions has to do at Justice is appoint a Special Prosecutor for Benghazi and classified emails
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 06:10 PM
Nov 2016

and whatever they can think of to investigate.

They were and are serious about "lock her up."

Better safe than sorry.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
61. They don't care. And Hillary does not need to fight the rest of her life to stop them.
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 09:49 AM
Nov 2016

Let it go. Pardon her. It will infuriate them.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
38. They will try. And don't assume they won't succeed...may I remind
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:40 PM
Nov 2016

you of Don Siegelman? An Alabama governor who is still rotting in jail...after a political prosecution during the Bush administration?

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
47. Yes, Hillary deserves better.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:52 PM
Nov 2016

I know she is innocent, but with the FBI traitors we can count on nothing.

robbob

(3,537 posts)
25. This is wrong on so many levels
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 03:58 PM
Nov 2016

For one thing, it immediately would confirm the suspicions of all the Brietbart nut jobs that Hillary is guilty. For all here old enough to remember Ford pardoning Nixon: what did THAT tell you?

Also, I'm afraid (very afraid...) that the Clinton's will have to be our canary in the coal mine: if Trump and his appointed goons actually go after Hillary and Bill then it's official: the Fourth Reich has begun: jailing of political opponents.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
39. Who care what they think.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:41 PM
Nov 2016

It would also show that Democrats won't put up with their banana Republic bullshit.

robbob

(3,537 posts)
53. Yeah, you're right
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 04:15 PM
Nov 2016

Anybody who dips into that cesspool called Brietbart has already made up their mind. But I am still anxious to see if drump is going to let the whole "jail her" thing drop. I doubt it; he is a petty, petty little man and he's got an ever growing enemies list. As I said, jailing a political opponent would definitely officially signal the start of a 4th Reich...

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
59. By the time we 'know' it will be too late for a pardon.
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 09:42 AM
Nov 2016

Trump has asked Obama not to pardon her thus he is going after her...easy bone to throw to his supporters. Obama should step up and do the right thing.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
40. Mark my words. They will do this.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:42 PM
Nov 2016

And they may get a conviction. plenty of innocent people are convicted...I say tell them FU and give a pardon.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
29. Its not good either way
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 06:37 PM
Nov 2016

Obama could pardon her for any wrongdoing found in future in her handling of her private email account, but it would be a loud talking point on RW hate TV and Radio for years, and they would use this to cement the idea that there was criminal activity and risk to national security and paint all Democrats as complicit in letting "crooked Hillary" off the hook.

If he doesn't, Republicans may just drag her through yet more hearings for years to come. Appoint an even more draconian FBI head to lead it. And they will keep it up until they scrape together some mistake or oversight from her and blow it up all over their vast media reach. And Trump being such a vindictive asshole, I can see him doing that.

IMO though, I don't see Trump or the GOP pursuing this. They got what they wanted, ultimate power. Besides, I don't think Trump voters really understood or cared about it, it was all just a faux outrage because that is all they had.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
35. They would appoint a special prosecutor.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 12:51 PM
Nov 2016

That's where they could really have their "fun"

I would think they would never do it. But then again, I wouldn't think Trump would hire a white nationalist as an advisor.

Republicans impeached Clinton over a blow job.

And that was way back when they were sane and reasonable.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
48. True enough
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 01:39 PM
Nov 2016

But that Clinton was in power then.

I just think if they are smart, which I know is asking a lot, they would drop it as it would only galvanize Democrat voters and even moderate independents. All for what?..She's never going to run again.

0rganism

(23,966 posts)
30. don't you have to be indicted first?
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:00 PM
Nov 2016

to the best of my knowledge, HRC has not been indicted (let alone convicted) for anything yet, nor is she likely to be in the next 2 months.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
57. Nope. Nixon was never indicted. He was an "unindicted co-conspirator."
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 06:17 PM
Nov 2016

I remember when I heard that phrase daily (1974). Nixon went on to become "respected" by the "media" and Bill Clinton spoke at his funeral.

Hillary has been investigated for 25 years. Put an end to it. A full and free blanket pardon, which includes anything found in the future. It makes her "unindictable" for the rest of her life. She deserves it.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
32. An earlier piece arguing for a Clinton pardon
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:08 AM
Nov 2016

but only if Clinton says she wants one, which the Susan Hennessey argues would be wise:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/sake-nation-obama-should-pardon-clinton

The part about it I would hate, is T taking responsibility for this, claiming he would have put her in jail if not for Obama, etc. But, that's selfish. For Hillary's sake, if there is any fraction of a possibility T would decide to make people follow the shiney object of Clinton distraction while he was busy with WH evil, then I'm for a preemptive pardon.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
60. That won't matter
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 09:45 AM
Nov 2016

Ever here of Don Siegelman? He was the governor of Alabama and was prosecuted for political reasons...Rove was involved, and he is still rotting in jail. Guild and innocence have nothing to do with this...she did nothing wrong...I agree but they will go after her because they are vengeful POS and it is an easy bone to throw out for the their base.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
36. He should pardon her for anything to do with emails
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:35 PM
Nov 2016

Otherwise, we are in for a show trial and basically, Hillary could be sent to prison as a political prisoner. I know she didn't do anything illegal but...that is no guarantee against fascist like Trump Et AL.

Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
54. Ken Starr chained Susan MacDougal to a toilet in L.A. county jail
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 05:24 PM
Nov 2016

for refusing to lie for him in Whitewater - for months on end - in an effort to get her to lie against them in court. Like these bastards care about the truth. Jason Chavetz has sworn to prosecute her for at least the next two years. They'll make shit up just to do it, too. It's their plan. Count on it.

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