Trump to scrap Nasa climate research in crackdown on politicized science
Source: The Guardian
Donald Trump is poised to eliminate all climate change research conducted by Nasa as part of a crackdown on politicized science, his senior adviser on issues relating to the space agency has said.
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This would mean the elimination of Nasas world-renowned research into temperature, ice, clouds and other climate phenomena. Nasas network of satellites provide a wealth of information on climate change, with the Earth science divisions budget set to grow to $2bn next year. By comparison, space exploration has been scaled back somewhat, with a proposed budget of $2.8bn in 2017.
Bob Walker, a senior Trump campaign adviser, said there was no need for Nasa to do what he has previously described as politically correct environmental monitoring.
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Walker, however, claimed that doubt over the role of human activity in climate change is a view shared by half the climatologists in the world. We need good science to tell us what the reality is and science could do that if politicians didnt interfere with it.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/nasa-earth-donald-trump-eliminate-climate-change-research
Walker mumbles "Earth-centric science is better placed at other agencies where it is their prime mission", but we all know there's no chance of Trump increasing their budget to make up for cuts at NASA.
This is the ideological attack on science, the environment and the future. This is the true heart of darkness at the centre of Trump's personal swamp. He's happy to shit on the world.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)Let the Reality Stick begin its descent, and may blood and pain follow in its wake.
You don't get to embrace stupid, and not suffer the consequences.
Pholus
(4,062 posts)That needs to be the refrain, repeated often.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)kebob
(499 posts)From his Slate article yesterday:
Walker, however, claimed that doubt over the role of human activity in climate change is a view shared by half the climatologists in the world. We need good science to tell us what the reality is and science could do that if politicians didnt interfere with it.
That is complete garbage. Half the climatologists? In reality, at least 97 percent of climatologists agree that humans cause global warming, and the data show you cant explain the current rising temperatures without human influence.
The final wail from the ghost of Orwell is that last sentence by Walker. Hes a politician, and hes interfering with science.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/11/23/trump_advisor_says_administration_will_eliminate_nasa_climate_research.html
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)n/t
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)Ocean water on both sides of it.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)and see if it's empty
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 25, 2016, 07:52 PM - Edit history (3)
If it hasn't already shrunken to pea-size, that is.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Also creating politicized science?
JHB
(37,161 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)connectivity.. as in humans to climate change. They gave him a word most of his voters wouldn't recognize. All good!
jimlup
(7,968 posts)these people are seriously insane.
lake loon
(99 posts)What are you afraid of, Mr. asshole non-president?
harun
(11,348 posts)Maybe our climate scientists could defect to more enlightened territories.
Punx
(446 posts)More like inconvenient.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)fucked, we are.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)(Based on a study that found 4 authors out of 70,000 published scientific papers questioning anthropogenic climate change.)
Augiedog
(2,548 posts)How bizarre that these people want to screw scientists and the planet and are so blatant about it. Even more bizarre, the american public lets them get away with it.
Botany
(70,516 posts)NORFOLK, Va. Huge vertical rulers are sprouting beside low spots in the streets here, so people can judge if the tidal floods that increasingly inundate their roads are too deep to drive through.
Five hundred miles down the Atlantic Coast, the only road to Tybee Island, Ga., is disappearing beneath the sea several times a year, cutting the town off from the mainland.
And another 500 miles on, in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., increased tidal flooding is forcing the city to spend millions fixing battered roads and drains and, at times, to send out giant vacuum trucks to suck saltwater off the streets.
For decades, as the global warming created by human emissions caused land ice to melt and ocean water to expand, scientists warned that the accelerating rise of the sea would eventually imperil the United States coastline.
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)One potential (and likely) consequence of this is that other nations will pick up the space-based Earth climate analysis and will dominate the US in these areas of science. America's pre-eminence in science will be ceded to others and the U.S. will become a second or third tier nation in terms of scientific leadership and pace-setting.
hibbing
(10,098 posts)I'm really looking forward to watching the loyal opposition not doing much opposing besides a few members.
How on earth did we ever get some consensus on banning CFCs, that would never ever happen today because you could find one kook with a degree who says they are fine and then the science is "disputed". Oh, I can answer my own question, that was before all Republicans were batshit crazy.
Peace
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)Just as long as they can spell "scientist" and are willing to parrot the GOP party line (for a fee, of course) they count as "reliable sources which contradict politically motivated results."
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Everyone knew and accepted it was happening.
CO2 is like the shingles virus or something; occasional outbreaks (natural disasters), but unseen or under appreciated.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)In their eyes, any agency that measures climate change is politicizing the issue. They don't believe in unbiased facts.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)"Oh, NOAA? Here's some stuff we really don't want done and that we won't give you any money to do. Oh, and by the way, we are cutting your budget too!"
Watch as the shell game is used to completely destroy climate research in the USA. And it won't be just NASA, it will be all the university scientists supported by grants from federal agencies. That both kills off research and training of the next generation of scientists. 4 years is probably survivable, if Dems gain everything back and reverse things. 8 years and we will be ruined.
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)This is important research
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)But this still sucks for a lot of researchers.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)He sounded half ways reasonable until he was unable to list an agency that wasn't politicized.
He also explained away the loss of NASA's satellite imagery with "NOAA has satellites too".
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.3864045/trump-adviser-wants-to-cut-nasa-climate-change-research-calls-it-politicized-science-1.3864051
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)RW: Again, I've never written that. So, the fact is
CO: I'm so sorry, sir. We just have an op-ed piece that's co-signed by you. That's not a quote from you? Your name is on that article.
RW: What you have is a position paper that was done by the campaign, that yes, I am signed on to. But, I don't remember that we said in that paper that it was politically oriented science.
His Op-ed - "Trumps space policy reaches for Mars and the stars by Robert S. Walker and Peter Navarro October 19, 2016" said
- See more at: http://spacenews.com/trumps-space-policy-reaches-for-mars-and-the-stars/#sthash.GOfhcje4.dpuf
So it was just 5 weeks ago, but he's already lying about what he wrote. When he appeared to pull more stuff out of his arse, he looked fairly bad. After the interview, he sent email saying what he claims his sources are - the CBC added it at the end of your article. And they have also be thoroughly debunked too:
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The Center Walker cited may exist. If so, it does not seem to have any online presence.
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The National Association is not, in fact, a scientific organization, but, rather, a conservative group dedicated to advancing a libertarian and conservative philosophy in research and higher education.
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However, contrary to Walker, they do not complain that the consensus figure would be lower if one included only climatologists. To the contrary, they say quite the opposite, to wit: "The term 'climate scientists' is itself mischievous -- a way of writing out scientists who are experts in related fields, such as physics and geology, who disagree with the consensus model."
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In the section of Open Source's web site dedicated to myths versus facts on global warming it says:
"This news and analysis section addresses substance of arguments such as 'global warming is a hoax,' 'global warming is a fiction,' 'global warming is created to make money for Al Gore.' The main fallacy noted is that most arguments are facts out of context while others are simply false representations. When the facts pertaining to the arguments are viewed in context relevance becomes obvious. The data clearly indicates global warming is happening and is human caused."
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/karl-nerenberg/2016/11/trump-climate-change-advisor-provides-cbc-dubious-sources
Walker is like a typical online climate change denier from the last 10 years. They lie, cite more and more obscure RW 'sources' that aren't scientific, but call the actual scientific organisations like the IPCC or NASA 'politicized', and have a series of fallback positions where they deny facts and data, but know they'll have to concede some reality. They want to delay anything, and muddy the waters.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)Moron's on parade, as usual.
mahina
(17,668 posts)I doubt he even knows he's not in charge. Wonder who is. Koch bros, De Vos, who else?'
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Oh, that's right-- he likes people to suffer slowly... silly me
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)rladdi
(581 posts)with Trump eliminating many environmental programs it will take our nation back decades. What are the Republicans thinking about the continue destruction of our country with the air, water and land quality. America must fight back against this. But it will only happen with voting for those for a clean environment. The Republicans certainly don't have this concern. My big concern is G. Bush wanted to turn many national parks over to mining and oil, just hope Trump does not do this.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)bet he didn't pay attention in science class 50-60? years ago, he's not a very educated man.
Towlie
(5,324 posts)This is like being the only sober person in the car and they won't let you drive.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)I wouldn't be surprised if they also eliminate the requirement for peer review for federal grants. That way they can use federal funds for "their" research. They tried it before.
hay rick
(7,624 posts)First Bush, now Trump. Our "democracy" appears to be a threat to humanity.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Prohibition against things against things that don't flatter the rulers tend to render those items up to a mythological importance. Political expediency is often snakebite in the making.
potone
(1,701 posts)Surely NASA can't be under the direct control of the Executive Branch, is it? Congress votes appropriations for it, so they could starve it of funding, but how could Trump simply decide by himself what research NASA does?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)Martin Eden
(12,870 posts)except white privilege and the wealth & power of their corporate masters
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)Much better would be:
"Trump to scrap NASA climate research; alleges politicized science"
The Guardian (Grauniad) headline accepts Trump's allegation as if it were true.
Many people often read no further than headlines.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)other than he's totally unhinged.
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)It's not, it has data behind it
No one would select Trump for brainpower for sure