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Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:46 AM Nov 2016

Clintons popular vote lead surpasses two million.

Source: NYT

With new votes tallied from New Jersey, Illinois, Maryland and California, Mrs. Clinton’s popular vote lead reached 2,017,563 overnight.

Mrs. Clinton’s lead now exceeds the winning percentages of seven presidents, five of whom also won the Electoral College. And it has given rise to a push from liberal activists to demand audits in three states won narrowly by Mr. Trump: Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

mainly it is pointing toward a structural disadvantage Democrats have with the Electoral College: Their voters are too concentrated in the bright blue states of the West Coast and Northeast. Democrats have now won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections, but lost two of them (Al Gore in 2000, and Mrs. Clinton now) in the Electoral College.

Hillary Clinton has widened her lead in the popular vote to 1.5 percentage points, a spread not seen for a losing candidate since 1876.


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html

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Clintons popular vote lead surpasses two million. (Original Post) Sunlei Nov 2016 OP
It hurts so much. madaboutharry Nov 2016 #1
I'm not hurt, I'm pissed off at republican propaganda and their nazi president. Sunlei Nov 2016 #2
Same here Catherine Vincent Nov 2016 #9
I hope it grows more blueseas Nov 2016 #3
The Electoral College: how is this still a thing? Initech Nov 2016 #4
we need to embrace this and always remind him JI7 Nov 2016 #5
This. I hope people don't forget. treestar Nov 2016 #28
I never thought I would feel worse about our country than in 2000. Moostache Nov 2016 #6
Not a miscarriage of justice ramapo Nov 2016 #10
Who's campaign? Catherine Vincent Nov 2016 #16
Really? Whose campaign, exactly? Hekate Nov 2016 #19
Seriously PatSeg Nov 2016 #11
In the end it might very well be 3 million Botany Nov 2016 #7
7 million ballots remain uncounted because of people MADE to vote provisional by scammer Republicans Sunlei Nov 2016 #12
I work election protection in OH Botany Nov 2016 #14
I know the poll workers do a great job and provisionals will/may be counted. Sunlei Nov 2016 #22
in illinois those voters would have been allowed to vote. mopinko Nov 2016 #23
they are allowed to vote in OH too Botany Nov 2016 #24
Wow. No way the GOP would tolerate this R B Garr Nov 2016 #41
Gore "lost" because of the USSC's ILLEGAL decision awarding the presidency to Bush. duffyduff Nov 2016 #43
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #8
quit blaming OUR PARTIES candidate and ignoring decades of republicans screwing up our right to VOTE Sunlei Nov 2016 #13
Minnesota was not a loss frazzled Nov 2016 #15
Shit!!! n/t SpankMe Nov 2016 #17
As long as it works for Republicans, it'll never change mountain grammy Nov 2016 #18
Why aren't the Democrats making a big deal out of this? yardwork Nov 2016 #20
We are not nice, we are in gleeful misogyny La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #25
I think that is an overly broad... Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #30
In the party, yes. My comment was mostly about du La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #31
If the vote totals for Hillary were to go up in Mich., Wis., and Penn... dubyadiprecession Nov 2016 #26
What exactly is it you would want Democrats to do? philosslayer Nov 2016 #34
What would the Republicans be doing if the situation were reversed? yardwork Nov 2016 #35
I have no idea philosslayer Nov 2016 #36
Oh for fucks sake. You know damn well what they do. yardwork Nov 2016 #37
Honestly, I don't philosslayer Nov 2016 #38
Make a lot noise. Get all their surrogates to say the election is not over. yardwork Nov 2016 #39
There have been demonstrations almost continually since the election philosslayer Nov 2016 #40
YES! Great post R B Garr Nov 2016 #42
America rejects Trump Achilleaze Nov 2016 #21
I still say the voting machines seem off. Let's have a recount. UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #27
Maybe this time it will hurt enough .. Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #29
Recount! FailureToCommunicate Nov 2016 #32
Congrats to Hillary. At least she has this. riversedge Nov 2016 #33

JI7

(89,252 posts)
5. we need to embrace this and always remind him
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:37 AM
Nov 2016

That it was him who won in the rigged system and he LOST the peoples vote.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
28. This. I hope people don't forget.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:40 PM
Nov 2016

Even in his 4th and final year, it should be mentioned over and over. He should be called the "Electoral College holder" of the office.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
6. I never thought I would feel worse about our country than in 2000.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:38 AM
Nov 2016

I am so sorry to have been wrong. This slow motion train wreck is a complete catastrophe and horrible miscarriage of justice.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
7. In the end it might very well be 3 million
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:41 AM
Nov 2016

"Democrats have now won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections, but lost two of them (Al Gore in 2000, and Mrs. Clinton now) in the Electoral College." (BTW Kerry won OH in 2004)

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
12. 7 million ballots remain uncounted because of people MADE to vote provisional by scammer Republicans
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:47 AM
Nov 2016

with stupid stuff like name not 'exactly' the same

Botany

(70,516 posts)
14. I work election protection in OH
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:52 AM
Nov 2016

And not all people who vote a provisional ballot are being scammed. In the most
cases I have seen is that the person requested an abstentee ballot but did not use
it.

A provisional ballot does not mean it is a bad ballot but that it will be counted later
if the person is a registered voter.

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
23. in illinois those voters would have been allowed to vote.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:01 PM
Nov 2016

and their absentee ballot would be cancelled. wtf ohio?

Botany

(70,516 posts)
24. they are allowed to vote in OH too
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:08 PM
Nov 2016

but they have to vote a provisional ballot if they have requested an absentee prior
to election day ..... and if they are a registered voter and they did not use their absentee
ballot and their vote should be counted.

But w/that being said our Sec. of State Jon Husted was using "crosscheck" in OH and
what I fear is that helped to swing Ohio's election to Trump. HRC was crushing Trump
in the early vote.

BTW sadly we have at least 25% of the population who have bought into HRC is a
crook, a bitch, and she will take away "your gunz" crap.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
41. Wow. No way the GOP would tolerate this
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:57 PM
Nov 2016

if the trend was reversed and they were winning the popular vote but denied office.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
43. Gore "lost" because of the USSC's ILLEGAL decision awarding the presidency to Bush.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:06 PM
Nov 2016

Why can't reporters tell the truth?

Response to Sunlei (Original post)

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
13. quit blaming OUR PARTIES candidate and ignoring decades of republicans screwing up our right to VOTE
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:49 AM
Nov 2016

republicans did all that shit.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
15. Minnesota was not a loss
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:00 PM
Nov 2016

Clinton won Minnesota.

And 2008 was as much due to the Obama factor (and to the 2 terms of Bush and the Republicans) as it was to Howard Dean.

mountain grammy

(26,624 posts)
18. As long as it works for Republicans, it'll never change
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:32 PM
Nov 2016

what's good for business is good for America or some ratfuckery like that. Just heard some boob on the tube call the stock market the "continuing trump rally." Wow!

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
20. Why aren't the Democrats making a big deal out of this?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:36 PM
Nov 2016

The Republicans would be making a lot of noise about this.

Why are we so NICE?!

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
25. We are not nice, we are in gleeful misogyny
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:17 PM
Nov 2016

Pretending that she was a terrible candidate and we should have gone with Bernie

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
30. I think that is an overly broad...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:44 PM
Nov 2016

And simplistic view of the Democrats. There are a very few that think that way.

dubyadiprecession

(5,714 posts)
26. If the vote totals for Hillary were to go up in Mich., Wis., and Penn...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:32 PM
Nov 2016

and surpass trump it would help. Why it's not happening in those states, i don't know.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
34. What exactly is it you would want Democrats to do?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:32 PM
Nov 2016

What noise would you expect? And what outcome would you expect to result from it?

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
36. I have no idea
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:12 PM
Nov 2016

We're talking about Democrats here. What is it you want them to do? Please be specific.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
38. Honestly, I don't
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:14 PM
Nov 2016

I don't know of a situation where Republicans won the popular vote but lost in the Electoral College

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
39. Make a lot noise. Get all their surrogates to say the election is not over.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:20 PM
Nov 2016

Demand recounts. File legal actions. Lawsuits. Brooks Brothers riots. Refuse to concede. Make a lot of noise every single day to raise uncertainty, confusion, and doubt about whether or not Trump is the legitimate president. Get everybody all upset about the electoral college. Imply that it's a Chinese plot. Get hysterical. Say it's a constitutional crisis. Claim death threats. Go on TV every day with the latest popular vote count. Hire an army of people to spread lies and doubt on social media.

They did most of this in 2000, and it worked. My governor is doing it right now in North Carolina.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
40. There have been demonstrations almost continually since the election
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:26 PM
Nov 2016

I'm hearing and watching everything you list above already taking place.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
29. Maybe this time it will hurt enough ..
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:42 PM
Nov 2016

For the Democrats to get off their asses and do something about this debacle. Maybe we will finally elect strong Democrats that will not start a debate with a compromised position just to seem 'bipartisan'. Maybe we will elect Democrats that will fight back against the Republicans. But, I doubt it.

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