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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:10 PM Nov 2016

Recount would have to move quickly

Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Patrick Marley and Bill Glauber - 1:39 p.m. CST November 25, 2016


Wisconsin could be at risk of missing a Dec. 13 deadline to certify its 10 electoral votes if clerks can't complete an expected recount by then.

Hitting the deadline could be particularly tricky if Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein is able to force the recount to be conducted by hand, Wisconsin's top election official said.

{snip}

Wisconsin's last statewide recount was in 2011 for a state Supreme Court seat and the outcome did not change. The recount showed Justice David Prosser defeated challenger JoAnne Kloppenburg by 7,004 votes a slightly tighter margin than the 7,316-vote victory he had in initial returns.

That recount took more than a month. This one would have to happen more quickly to meet the Dec. 13 deadline. "You may potentially have the state electoral votes at stake if it doesn't get done by then," Haas said. A lawyer with Stein's campaign has said she wants the recount done by hand. That would take longer and require a judge's order, Haas said.



Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/25/recount-would-have-move-quickly/94417686/



Sound like she's serious about this.
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Recount would have to move quickly (Original Post) ucrdem Nov 2016 OP
While I would love to see Trump tossed out I just don't see this recount happening. NWCorona Nov 2016 #1
She has to file by 5 pm today in WI for recount in WI to happen. LisaL Nov 2016 #2
Well let's hope she meets the deadline then! NWCorona Nov 2016 #7
Stein Campaign informed Wisconsin Election Commission they will be filing by 5pm KatyBR Nov 2016 #15
She's required to pay the entire estimated cost and they don't yet have an estimated cost. ucrdem Nov 2016 #16
Yes, WI is making preparations, and R legislators are denouncing it, LOL ucrdem Nov 2016 #3
Has she filed? LisaL Nov 2016 #4
Haven't found any news saying so. ucrdem Nov 2016 #5
I didn't know that WI was making moves so that is good news. NWCorona Nov 2016 #6
They don't even know what the fee will be yet: ucrdem Nov 2016 #8
I presume they sill have to let her file? LisaL Nov 2016 #17
Looks like they're planning to announce it if she does: ucrdem Nov 2016 #18
It looks like they received it just in time. drm604 Nov 2016 #21
yes! ucrdem Nov 2016 #22
Seriously, I wouldn't get my hopes up too much. drm604 Nov 2016 #24
If WI and MI flip we're in uncharted territory ucrdem Nov 2016 #26
I've volunteered for the PA recount (if it happens). drm604 Nov 2016 #27
It takes a village ucrdem Nov 2016 #29
They're not going to flip, tho. Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #30
I'm not so sure. WI went for Obama twice ucrdem Nov 2016 #31
It has to be filed today. Today is the deadline. Bv 5 pm. LisaL Nov 2016 #11
We have a lot of Republican assholes in Wisconsin state government milestogo Nov 2016 #9
I think they'll make it as difficult as possible ucrdem Nov 2016 #10
Well, if she doesn't manage to file today then that's it. LisaL Nov 2016 #12
I don't think the elected reps have any input in the decision - milestogo Nov 2016 #13
Yep. Moving a million the day after TG can take time if they want it to ucrdem Nov 2016 #14
"ambiguity in the statutes": ucrdem Nov 2016 #19
SHE FILED! ucrdem Nov 2016 #20
But what about PA Liberalynn Nov 2016 #23
Looks like Monday is the PA deadline. From the Stein page: ucrdem Nov 2016 #25
That's good Liberalynn Nov 2016 #28
The goal is to tie up 46 EV's in court. roamer65 Nov 2016 #32
Not sure I follow. ucrdem Nov 2016 #33
About 3 million in Green Party coffers. EL34x4 Nov 2016 #34

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
1. While I would love to see Trump tossed out I just don't see this recount happening.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:15 PM
Nov 2016

Has there been any movement from the states in question? Jill can ask for all the money she wants but if the state AG says no then what? Jill already said no refunds.

I would feel much better if this was coming from Hillary herself.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
2. She has to file by 5 pm today in WI for recount in WI to happen.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:17 PM
Nov 2016

It's a lot more complicated in MI and PA.

KatyBR

(183 posts)
15. Stein Campaign informed Wisconsin Election Commission they will be filing by 5pm
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:41 PM
Nov 2016
http://elections.wi.gov/node/4432

see below:
November 23, 2016
To:
Wisconsin County Clerks
Milwaukee County Election Commission
From:
Ross Hein, Elections Supervisor

"WEC staff has been informed that the Jill Stein campaign for President of the United States is going to request a statewide recount. Attorneys for the Stein campaign have indicated that they will be filing a recount petition by the 5 pm deadline this Friday.

The Stein campaign will be required to pay for the entire estimated cost of a statewide recount before a recount will be ordered. We need your help in determining how much it will cost for you and your municipal counterparts to conduct this recount. It is recommended that you start looking at figures from the 2011 Supreme Court recount and cost projections that you or your predecessor put together for the Associated Press. One option is to look at the number of ballots that were recounted in 2011 and to extrapolate based upon the number of ballots counted in the presidential election.

There are numerous logistics to coordinate and we will continue to update you on a regular basis. We will be planning a teleconference for all county clerks to participate in and we will let you know that date early next week. For now please start to put together cost projections and respond to recounts@wi.gov once complete. To get familiarized with the recount procedures, please take a look at the recount manual. For any municipality selected to audit voting equipment, we will communicate shortly with those clerks selected to provide additional guidance on how to proceed given the likely statewide recount.

We know that this is not the type of news that you want to hear immediately before a holiday and after a very labor intensive fall election season. The Statutes permit any ballot candidate to request a recount regardless of the margin. Although we are certain that this is going to create numerous challenges and significant frustration, we thank you for your commitment to election administration in Wisconsin."

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
16. She's required to pay the entire estimated cost and they don't yet have an estimated cost.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:45 PM
Nov 2016

Yeah that works.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
3. Yes, WI is making preparations, and R legislators are denouncing it, LOL
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:18 PM
Nov 2016
Assembly Majority Jim Steineke (R-Kaukauna) called the move for a recount ridiculous, saying it would burden clerks who have lots of other work they need to do.

"I just can't imagine why someone who is almost 1.4 million votes behind would request this," he said. "If your votes came in at 1% of the overall total of the vote, it doesn't make a lot of sense that you should be able to request a recount and put the whole state through this."

He said he did not think there was a way to prevent the recount but he would consider legislation that would allow candidates to force recounts only if they lost by a small margin.

Mark Morgan, executive director of the state Republican Party, said: "Jill Stein's decision to pursue a recount is absurd and nothing more than an expensive political stunt that undermines Wisconsin's election process. Wisconsin voters spoke loud and clear, Democrats and their liberal allies lost decisively and now they are promoting a desperate last-minute tactic to silence Wisconsin voters."

The Clinton campaign has not commented on the recount effort.


Hey sounds familiar.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
6. I didn't know that WI was making moves so that is good news.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:24 PM
Nov 2016

Hopefully we will know something concrete today then.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
8. They don't even know what the fee will be yet:
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:26 PM
Nov 2016
Stein's campaign says it has raised $4.8 million this week for its recount efforts and estimates the Wisconsin recount will cost $1.1 million.

The Wisconsin Election Commission has asked municipal clerks to estimate their costs for a recount. A total estimate is expected to be compiled next week because many clerks are out of the office for the Thanksgiving holiday, said Michael Haas, the administrator of the commission.


Doesn't sound like they were expecting anyone to step up, does it?

drm604

(16,230 posts)
24. Seriously, I wouldn't get my hopes up too much.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 06:24 PM
Nov 2016

They may get the recounts but it's a long shot that it will change anything.

And apparently, while it's possible, it may be difficult to get recounts in PA. Without PA nothing changes.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
27. I've volunteered for the PA recount (if it happens).
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 06:33 PM
Nov 2016

I've also volunteered to possibly be one of the signers of an affadavit for my county in PA.

See this thread for how to volunteer if you live in one of the three states.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512626138

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
30. They're not going to flip, tho.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 07:36 PM
Nov 2016

Wisconsin is a 24,000 vote difference. It's not a lot but it would be unprecedented to have a recount flip THAT many votes. If it was just 4,000, I'd be more optimistic, but 24,000, while not a huge statewide margin, is still large enough to make it very, very unlikely.

Michigan has a better chance of flipping...but she won't win the election without Wisconsin.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
9. We have a lot of Republican assholes in Wisconsin state government
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:30 PM
Nov 2016

which are led by major asshole Scott Walker.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
10. I think they'll make it as difficult as possible
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:32 PM
Nov 2016

but if she manages to file today they'll have to follow the law.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
13. I don't think the elected reps have any input in the decision -
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:39 PM
Nov 2016

I'm not sure who does, but its more likely to be a judge.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
14. Yep. Moving a million the day after TG can take time if they want it to
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:40 PM
Nov 2016

but we'll know soon enough.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
19. "ambiguity in the statutes":
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:27 PM
Nov 2016
The Wisconsin Elections Commission has begun preparing for a possible recount. The commission director, Mike Haas, called a potential recount "uncharted territory," according to Laurel White with Wisconsin Public Radio. White reported:

State law allows any candidate on the ballot to request a recount, but if the margin is more than 0.25 percent, the candidate must pay for its cost.

Haas said the recount would cost at least $500,000.

The commission is reviewing state law to determine when that money would be due.

"There's a little bit of ambiguity in the statutes," Haas said. "In one place, it states that the fee must be paid at the time the petition is filed; another statute indicates once the petition is filed, that's when our agency calculates an estimate."

Once a recount order is issued by the commission, clerks across the state have 13 days to complete it, Haas said.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/25/503349326/people-have-donated-millions-to-jill-steins-recount-campaign-is-it-worth-it
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
20. SHE FILED!
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:37 PM
Nov 2016
Wisconsin Elections
?@WI_Elections
The Commission has received the Stein and Del La Fuente recount petitions. Details and news release posted soon at http://elections.wi.gov .


https://twitter.com/WI_Elections/status/802264791737716736

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
25. Looks like Monday is the PA deadline. From the Stein page:
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 06:25 PM
Nov 2016
Here are the filing fees and deadlines for each state:

Wisconsin: $1.1 million by Nov 25

Pennsylvania: $0.5 million by Nov 28

Michigan: $0.6 million by Nov 30


https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
32. The goal is to tie up 46 EV's in court.
Sat Nov 26, 2016, 12:29 PM
Nov 2016

It will force it to the House of Reps where the god damn Rethugs will have to put Dump into office and own the decision.

Very similar to 1876.

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