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pnwmom

(108,980 posts) Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:19 PM Nov 2016

Wisconsin rejects doing recount by hand; Stein to sue

Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Madison — The Wisconsin Elections Commission set a timetable Monday for a recount of the presidential election but rejected a request to conduct it by hand made by Green Party candidate Jill Stein, who quickly responded that she would sue.

Also Monday, Stein filed a lawsuit in Pennsylvania to force a recount there and her supporters began filing recount requests at the precinct level there. Stein — who received just a tiny piece of the vote —also plans to ask for a recount in Michigan on Wednesday.

Unless Stein wins her lawsuit in Dane County Circuit Court, officials in each of Wisconsin’s 72 counties would decide on their own whether to do their recounts by hand. That could mean some counties perform recounts by machine and some by hand.

Citing the results of a 2011 statewide recount that changed only 300 votes, Elections Commission chairman Mark Thomsen, a Democrat, said this presidential recount is very unlikely to change Republican Donald Trump's win in the state.

Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/

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Wisconsin rejects doing recount by hand; Stein to sue (Original Post) pnwmom Nov 2016 OP

This is a whole different ball game is what I would tell Mark Thomsen. shraby Nov 2016 #1

It won't get done before they have to certify their count. B2G Nov 2016 #2

This recount could find foul play. Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #4

Could is the key word B2G Nov 2016 #6

I certainly doubt it. Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #8

meanwhile all talk radio is weighing in with bullshit to certainot Nov 2016 #12

Oh, let us go there, Mr. Thomsen, the 2011 'election'. deminks Nov 2016 #3

Thought the money raised was to pay for it... Freethinker65 Nov 2016 #5

Walker's Wisconsin is crooked as hell. Greybnk48 Nov 2016 #7

Greg Palist was just on Randi Rhodes discussing this womanofthehills Nov 2016 #13

Wisconsin keeps asking for more money and more money womanofthehills Nov 2016 #14

I would cite that Thav Nov 2016 #9

Running the ballots through the same machines isn't a recount. Just a re-run. NT Eric J in MN Nov 2016 #10

rw radio talking point is stein's working for hillary and soros certainot Nov 2016 #11

I say good on Jill Stein. People sitting around pontificating why Hillary lost. YOHABLO Nov 2016 #15

shraby

(21,946 posts)

1. This is a whole different ball game is what I would tell Mark Thomsen.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:24 PM

Nov 2016

I hope she wins and can go for a full hand recount.

B2G

(9,766 posts)

2. It won't get done before they have to certify their count.

Reply to shraby (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:27 PM

Nov 2016

Unless she can prove there was foul play, I doubt she'll win.

Because it could disenfranchise the entire state.

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)

4. This recount could find foul play.

Reply to B2G (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:42 PM

Nov 2016

There is no way they will have time to turn on and reprogram all the machines. They will need to just count the paper reports on each machine, which will also be the most accurate way of recounting them.

B2G

(9,766 posts)

6. Could is the key word

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:48 PM

Nov 2016

Will a judge put an entire state's votes at risk by ordering a hand count that will most likely go beyond the certification deadline, without any proof of tampering?

That's the question.

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)

8. I certainly doubt it.

Reply to B2G (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:02 PM

Nov 2016

Lots of questions up in the air right now...

certainot

(9,090 posts)

12. meanwhile all talk radio is weighing in with bullshit to

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:03 PM

Nov 2016

intimidate or enable those involved.

whenever it comes down to a decision to be made those blowhards will broadcast the name of the decision maker and what they need to do to help trump and they will make the appropriate lies/distortions/threats to get the teabags yelling

and because liberals ignore that dynamic it will look to the people involved like 'the will of the people' and they'll bend over for trump

the u of wisconsin supports 7 rw radio stations - 5 limbaugh stations and 2 hannity - that's where dems should protest, the gop will freak out.

deminks

(11,014 posts)

3. Oh, let us go there, Mr. Thomsen, the 2011 'election'.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:28 PM

Nov 2016

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8511

Sue, Jill, Sue. I think you may find something similar.

Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)

5. Thought the money raised was to pay for it...

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:47 PM

Nov 2016

If Stein has the $$$ to pay, no reason to deny hand recount.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)

7. Walker's Wisconsin is crooked as hell.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:50 PM

Nov 2016

They won't let them near one of our elections.

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)

13. Greg Palist was just on Randi Rhodes discussing this

Reply to Greybnk48 (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:27 PM

Nov 2016

Walker appointed all his cronies to the election committee . Greg said its now up to the individual counties to decide if they will count each vote by hand. Greg is in contact when Jill's lawyers and has lots of info on what they will be looking for. He will be posting a question and answer post soon. Greg believe Wisc could flip to Clinton.

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)

14. Wisconsin keeps asking for more money and more money

Reply to Greybnk48 (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:29 PM

Nov 2016

way beyond their original quotes

Thav

(946 posts)

9. I would cite that

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:26 PM

Nov 2016

The results in 3 counties changed by over 1000 votes when then challenge was issued, even before the counts were started, as evidence that a more thorough count is needed.

This needs to be done to ensure the integrity of the system, regardless of outcome.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)

10. Running the ballots through the same machines isn't a recount. Just a re-run. NT

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:55 PM

Nov 2016

certainot

(9,090 posts)

11. rw radio talking point is stein's working for hillary and soros

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:56 PM

Nov 2016

and they want a hand count so they can delay electoral past the 19th

all rw radio is screaming about it to intimidate or enable the officials involved

in wisc. anyone can protest anything trum or republican at the uni of wisconsin, which supports 5 limbaugh and 2 hannity radio stations

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)

15. I say good on Jill Stein. People sitting around pontificating why Hillary lost.