commutes her sentence.

Didn't she give secret info to...Wikileaks?...yes that Wikileaks...headed by Assange.

But I think she made some huge mistakes with probably good intentions and that the sentence was extreme. I also don't think she'll survive the next few years under her current (or possibly about to get worse) circumstances. I am not a huge fan of Assange, but I think we do need whistle blowers like Chelsea Manning and she's already paid an incredibly high price for trying to do just that.

...as opposed to someone residing in Moscow.

Except to punish her far in excess of others who have done something similar.

the truth.
As for the commutation I have zero problems with Obama issuing it if he wants and any Republican that did not object to Libbys commutation needs to shut their fucking mouth.

this lady has suffered enough. Super excited.

Hope Obama pardons and reinstates their security clearances. We need them in the trenches.

He should be treated as such.

exposing which broken US law exactly?????

also acknowledge within a conversation in which they criticize Snowden or Manning, that the Government was violating the Constitution in one case, and covering up and even sanctioning brutal murders in the other, is an authoritarian apologist who wants to punch the messenger.

You want me to be considerate of those details of the case, then show me that you are being considerate of the whole case yourself.

that and not a bulk release of everything that they could get their hands on.

that went wrong and I care that the government was spying on americans with a warrant (though I wasnt surprised since for years there was rumors about similar programs like Carnivore) but both Manning and Snowden made the same mistake in that they didnt try to inform the proper authorities first (the inspector general and or a member of Congress) and instead they released everything they could grab to wikileaks (which considering they have been working in concert with Russia was perhaps not the best route to take now) and now they need to learn to live the consequences.

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The female co-worker in the Army who Manning slugged is fearful and worried Manning will come after her. This person testified in the trial.

Seems like being remanded to a mental health facility, if possible, would have been the right thing to do. Letting Manning have her gender reassignment surgery and providing counciling probably would have gone a long way to reforming her.

Does the government still have to pay for it or will Manning have to find the funds from somewhere else since I assume the dishonorable discharge means no military benefits once Manning is free.

She fucked up royally and needs to pay the price. I sure hope it was worth getting the stuff to assange.

serve in our military have a special obligation to follow the fucking law. I didn't vote for her to make the decisions on what's to remain secret or not. She'll have to comfort herself merely being a martyr.

assumptions about me. Until you take this back:

It is strange that you would be far more concerned with the leaker's law-breaking than the broken laws that were exposed.

We have nothing more to discuss.

(and I don't mean that as what you accept as okay but as what you think is more important between the two) but I apologize for doing so.

If you agree that that behavior by our military was heinous, how does one address those wrongs if they stay hidden? How do you discourage future behavior?

Place where lower level military can LEGALLY bring information to their superiors OR to members of Congress. You don't steal and make decisions that nobody elected you to make. You certainly don't give it to someone who can hand it over to the Russians or the Chinese or someone like that pig Assange who use the info to push their own agenda.

there is an assumption by the public, where the pressure often has to come from, that there is nothing wrong with the current system...that no laws are being broken and that everything is hunky dory. In fact, our leadership will placate us over and over. What was it Clapper said about us being spied upon again? The military certainly isn't going to attempt to signal to the public that they need more checks and balances, and individuals in the Senate or Congress, assuming this even happens, have very little power to tweak the machine without that public outrage.

As far as I'm concerned, it sucks that this is the way these things had to be handled. I blame that on our government, not the whistleblowers in a ridiculously tight spot. If we don't want the embarrassment and for that matter, the compromise to our intelligence, we better damn well be sure that we aren't hiding shit that the public has a right to know about, not to mention engaging in illegal, unconstitutional activity. The onus is on our military and agency leaders to not abuse the system, and to not let abuses happen.

Unless you can link to a story where Ms. Manning tried to approach her congressperson and was rebuffed. The onus is on each and every one of us to follow the law or pay the consequences. Period.

nobody elected. AND he got the job in order to steal what he did and give it to that pig assange who then showed his true colors and left Eddie hung out to dry. I don't feel sorry for any of them. I didn't elect them and yes, Nita Lowey, Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand have done fine by me so I do have confidence in them.

She tried going to her superiors, remember.

the Inspector Generals office and or to a member of Congress? If so then did Manning try those options and if it was an option and Manning didnt try then you can hardly claim Manning exercised all options available.

ANY congressperson. Do you really think Maxine Waters would have rebuffed her? She fucked up and is now paying the price for making a decision nobody elected her for.

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1. Manning only released CONFIDENTIAL info, most unlike Petraeus, etc. who released
TOP SECRET info. The American people had and have every right, duty even, to see the
"Collateral Murder" tapes. Manning did her patriotic duty in releasing it.

2. Obama made a solemn promise to run a transparent government, AND to protect
whistle-blowers.

3. Obama prejudiced Manning's case by publicly declaring that she "broke the law" before
her trial even began. (Just as Trump outrageously and repeatedly prejudiced the case of
Bergdahl)

Obama should also pardon (not commute) Snowden, Kiriakou, Sterling, and Bergdahl.

Veterans For Peace

Peltier who has endured decades already on dubious evidence.

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1. HELL MOTHERFUCKING NO
2. No
3. No
4. No way

EDIT: And since someone wanted to act all tough and alert on me, I'll rescind my earlier statement -- No commutation of Manning's sentence. Let her beg her boy Trump for a pardon instead...


EDIT 2: Not taking the bait, whoever you are -- Try harder... Or better yet you can further discuss this in one of my numerous threads, which you have been conspicuously absent from...

your obscene "post" richly deserves it.

That, and the fact that your post contains no facts or evidence of any sort.

I don't think you know much at all about the Manning case, or any of the others either.

Are you trying to show that you are a "tough guy"?

Snowden is zero chance since Snowden is still on the loose an hasnt turned himself in, if he had then there might be a chance (albeit a slim chance) for a pardon but otherwise I honestly dont see it happen.

1) Manning released 15,000 secret files
2) Obama took an oath to enforce the law. Releasing classified material to journalists is not "whistleblowing". Ellsberg spent a year briefing key US Senators before releasing carefully selected information about policy development and history of the decision making process to the NYT (on copies he made from a US Senator's copier. Putting aside the issue of military secrets exactly what was Manning "blowing the whistle on" when she released 250,000 diplomatic cables?
3) Obama's statement that Manning was prosecuted for "breaking the law" was in response to people who charged that releasing 750,000 classified documents was not breaking the law but "political prosecution". It would have been prejudicial to make statements regarding her guilt or what her sentence should be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak

Manning was turned in by a hacker who supported wikileaks but was concerned that Manning's release of materials would result in the murder of innocent people. It is because of Lamo's actions that potential victims were saved.

At least that is what republicans would say.

so why are you saying it here?

Is it an attempt at humor?

Why? Was your question an attempt at communication?

I think her circumstances are unique and she did not do any damage to national security from what I've read.

Her sentence and how she has been treated since imprisoned has been horrendous.

The time served already is enough. Plus, I believe her to be contrite as well and she does not pose a danger to anyone except to herself if she does not get the care she needs.

Plus, I think she can get better care and support outside of prison.

Or does the commutation have to be given in Bradley's name?

Just curious.

it would be a very humanitarian gesture