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highplainsdem

(49,005 posts)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 09:58 AM Jul 2012

Gillespie says Romney ‘retired retroactively’ from Bain Capital

Source: The Hill

Democrats have raised questions about when exactly Romney left Bain . Romney has said he left in 1999 to oversee preparations for the Salt Lake City Olympics, but SEC documents show him listed as Bain’s CEO beyond that time.

Gillespie on Sunday sought to clarify the matter, saying that Romney initially thought he would be leaving Bain on a temporary basis, but the challenges of the Olympics led him to “retire retroactively.”

"There may have been a thought at the time that it could be part time, but it was not part time," Gillespie said.

"He took a left of absence and in fact he ended up not going back at all, and retired retroactively to 1999 as a result," he added. He left a life he loved to go to Salt Lake City and help a country he loves more, and somehow Chicago… is trying to make it something sinister." "

-snip-

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/237943-gillespie-says-romney-retired-retroactively-from-bain-capital



Just when you think the GOP can't get any more creative in their excuses for Romney...
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Gillespie says Romney ‘retired retroactively’ from Bain Capital (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 2012 OP
NICE TRY! (HIGH FIVE) madashelltoo Jul 2012 #1
Reminds me of "self-deportation" somehow flamingdem Jul 2012 #8
And we all trust Ed, the stellar Enron lobbyist, Abramoff pal, and Bush advisor Coyotl Jul 2012 #57
Kind of like... "double secret probation". zonkers Jul 2012 #59
It connects, because every American has retired retroactively at least once in their lives. stopbush Jul 2012 #95
But he got paid. nt bemildred Jul 2012 #2
Well, that settles it. Skinner Jul 2012 #3
Romney invented Time Travel! madaboutharry Jul 2012 #4
When you can sell a deserter to the VFW orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #5
'retired retroactively’ - LOL!! DCBob Jul 2012 #6
Hear more. Igel Jul 2012 #71
self deporting ... Cosmocat Jul 2012 #75
Yeah, yeah, yeah BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #7
So we can all retire retroactively now??? bucolic_frolic Jul 2012 #9
So he retired before he wasn't retired? That's awesome. Brickbat Jul 2012 #10
Jesus people, he was just loving his country MuseRider Jul 2012 #11
Mr. G says that rMoney lied to the Olympics Cmte. He broke his contract and his solemn word. SDjack Jul 2012 #12
Then in a manner of good faith he returned all that money too! obxhead Jul 2012 #13
Were you working there or weren't you? caseymoz Jul 2012 #14
I too would like to know ThomThom Jul 2012 #45
Should have used disappearing ink on those documents then. Overseas Jul 2012 #15
OKAY! This is getting to be much fun. Republicans come up with such good excuses for their yellowcanine Jul 2012 #16
That's even better than "it depends on what the definition of is, is..." WCGreen Jul 2012 #38
WORST GOP Talking Point Carla in Sequim Jul 2012 #87
Maybe we should retire Mitt proactively from the Presidency, then Ed. How is that? yellowcanine Jul 2012 #17
Im thinking back to 2004 with Kerry and even 2008 with Obama and can say with no doubts INdemo Jul 2012 #18
Tweets regarding this sham Dalai_1 Jul 2012 #19
Great tweets!! ailsagirl Jul 2012 #94
many on twitter are now using Dalai_1 Jul 2012 #98
I've heard more cognitive reasoning rocktivity Jul 2012 #20
I used to work with my hands ... bayareaboy Jul 2012 #21
There are different rules for the super rich. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #22
I'm temped to nominate Gillespie for a DUzy Rose Siding Jul 2012 #23
So Romney was for retirement from Bain demwing Jul 2012 #24
I guess it really depends on what your definition of retirement is.... WCGreen Jul 2012 #39
So I can leave my job, be paid for 3 years, THEN 'retire retroactively?' Ready4Change Jul 2012 #25
That's the new Romney jobs plan alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #43
You knew some disjointed logical explanation was coming. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #26
and it STILL took them 4 days to come up with it...they're in trouble over there, I think lol Volaris Jul 2012 #63
Retro is back in fashion. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #64
so I hear. But I think come January, we will thinking of more, shall we say... Volaris Jul 2012 #76
That Might Make Some Sense DallasNE Jul 2012 #27
No focus group could come up with something as nonsensical as "retroactive retirement" alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #44
Honestly, this is probably the most plausible explanation I've heard - except for that money detail riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #28
Slick Willard CreekDog Jul 2012 #29
Now they're insulting Chicago? randome Jul 2012 #30
Well they can't call Obama Osama anymore, because Obama killed him. truthisfreedom Jul 2012 #82
"We love Chicago, here in the Midwest." Wait Wut Jul 2012 #104
Uh...yep, that's what they're doin'. Wait Wut Jul 2012 #103
Same goes to his filing taxes in Utah and when he got into trouble running for gov of Massachusetts Thinkingabout Jul 2012 #31
Wow! Ed "The Chinless Wonder" Gillespie has really hit a new low here . . . hatrack Jul 2012 #32
"Retired Retroactively" ... is that like a Virgin Birther Trial Balloon ? bucolic_frolic Jul 2012 #33
Hah! Did he also collect a pension retroactively? 4lbs Jul 2012 #34
Sweet. I'm gonna contact the employer I left in 2003 and see if I can use that. tanyev Jul 2012 #35
To Mittens and his surrogates Iliyah Jul 2012 #36
What a joke! From Twitter: "Mitt to Bain: I wish I knew how to quit you." NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #37
He left a life he loved AlbertCat Jul 2012 #40
Such noble sacrifice on Romney's part Jessy169 Jul 2012 #46
Wow! Politicalboi Jul 2012 #79
The Republican base voters Jessy169 Jul 2012 #41
+1 harun Jul 2012 #100
A rip in the space/time continuem Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2012 #42
With his magic IOKIYAR Time Machine! Or did Romney have help from Torchwood? n/t Ian David Jul 2012 #47
Was that a Republican spinmeister or a stand up comic talking? Jack Rabbit Jul 2012 #48
Big Words! AlbertCat Jul 2012 #52
Even if the general public buys this bullshit (which they wont--not by a long shot) Volaris Jul 2012 #65
You've noticed what I've noticed about Mitt Jack Rabbit Jul 2012 #67
Good drunk driving defense postulater Jul 2012 #49
I wish DU would stop quoting headlines from the Onion as if they are real! MsPithy Jul 2012 #50
! Wait Wut Jul 2012 #105
LMAO William Seger Jul 2012 #51
OMG! Mittens has a Time Machine! McCamy Taylor Jul 2012 #53
Wow. Ed Gillespie really drew the short straw, didn't he....nt msanthrope Jul 2012 #54
As a former Enron lobbyist and Jack Abramoff buddy, he either has the highest credibility Coyotl Jul 2012 #58
LOL harun Jul 2012 #101
So, He Is A Robot. He Was Sent Back in Time to Retire from Bain. Yavin4 Jul 2012 #55
ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!!!!!! aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2012 #62
What the fu*% bpositive Jul 2012 #56
Too funny - bested by a 7 year old. You know they're in trouble. nt AnotherMother4Peace Jul 2012 #74
Do you think Republican voters now wish to deselect him retroactively? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #60
Hey, if Bobby Ewing can survive 'retroactively' muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #61
Wonder if the GOP can get another nominee.. retroactively. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #66
Yes, he did, or 'tried to,' anyway! elleng Jul 2012 #68
Behold the Power ... GeorgeGist Jul 2012 #69
This election is between "Retroactively" and "Forward." (Please retweet link below!) msanthrope Jul 2012 #70
You don't get a Mulligan with this, Mitt obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #72
Ed Gillespie kworkman Jul 2012 #73
I wonder how that works? atreides1 Jul 2012 #77
Which country would that be???? Politicalboi Jul 2012 #78
Obviously this is nonsense lakercub Jul 2012 #80
Isn't the right phrase "back dating"? n/t kiranon Jul 2012 #81
"Retroactive" and "backdating" are distinct concepts mathematic Jul 2012 #107
That does not relieve Romney from the appearance of a conflict of interest JDPriestly Jul 2012 #83
Did he actually file any "leave of absence" paperwork (that wasn't also retroactive)? hughee99 Jul 2012 #84
K&R for the sheer hilarity. Ok - I invested in apple retroactively. myrna minx Jul 2012 #85
Hey, can everyone who voted for GWB rescind their votes retroactively? valerief Jul 2012 #86
If I understand what Romney is saying: Everything was squeky clean until he left to manage patricia92243 Jul 2012 #88
Ed's an experienced shoveler of ..... Historic NY Jul 2012 #89
Hey, Robme wasn't the driver of the clown car for nothing. Amonester Jul 2012 #90
"Retroactive Retirement” WoodyM90 Jul 2012 #91
Well, Romney's religion retroactively baptizes dead people DesertRat Jul 2012 #92
Another one bites the dust... ailsagirl Jul 2012 #93
Hey, Gillespie, Did Romney Also Return All Compensation Received After February, 1999? DallasNE Jul 2012 #96
He signed legal documents while he was retroactively "retired." That sounds illegal. tclambert Jul 2012 #97
It is all the fault of Chicago Botany Jul 2012 #99
sounds like he was on leave then 2pooped2pop Jul 2012 #102
This Is Great News! Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #106
Maybe bucolic_frolic Jul 2012 #108
"He left a life he loved to go to Salt Lake City and help a country he loves more, Jamaal510 Jul 2012 #109
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
57. And we all trust Ed, the stellar Enron lobbyist, Abramoff pal, and Bush advisor
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:04 PM
Jul 2012

Senior Mitt Romney campaign adviser Ed Gillespie = Counselor to President Bush, Enron lobbyist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125156161

Igel

(35,320 posts)
71. Hear more.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 03:10 PM
Jul 2012
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/business/2007/08/29/ddn083007delphi2.html

As part of a settlement, workers were given retroactive retirement or pay. They weren't retired even after they had been, it seems and they turned out to have been working the time that they were laid off. Completely ridiculous. Happens fairly often. One thing that can't happen is that your retroactive retirement makes you eligible for Social Security or Federal services--private after-the-fact arrangements don't bind the Federal government.

Where I served for a while the CEO was put on forced administrative leave for a year and a half because he deceived the board and misrepresented the organization's finances. When his contract was to be renewed the answer was a firm "no". Retroactively and as part of a settlement, somewhat over a year after his contract wasn't renewed he was deemed to have been put on voluntary leave at his request because his wife was ill and when his contract ended at his request he elected not to renew it. Instead, he simply retired with full benefits when his 30 years were up. That's the story on the organization's books and in its records, and that's the official story if anybody ever asks.

In the case of the first court settlement, it was fairly hostile. In the second, it didn't need to be hostile--what he got was, with the exception of one additional piece of 5-year-old office equipment costing less than $100 when new, exactly what he had been offered the day he was put on leave. Had he accepted no court approval would have been needed. There's reality on the ground and then there's legal fiction. Crucially, redefining his status in this case had absolutely no effect: In both scenarios, he never stepped foot on the property, and while he was still CEO according to his contract all his responsibilities and duties had been delegated to an acting CEO that left the day the new CEO's contract entered into force. Which was the day after this guy's contract expired.

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)
9. So we can all retire retroactively now???
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:08 AM
Jul 2012

Great! Think of the pension money's that are due to retroactive retirees!!

I don't think this spin will benefit Rmoney or Gillespie much ... just a Reagan Retroactive Retread Rmoney Spinmeister.

MuseRider

(34,112 posts)
11. Jesus people, he was just loving his country
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:10 AM
Jul 2012

and now you want to make that a crime too?

LOL, just fucking lol with a head slap

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
12. Mr. G says that rMoney lied to the Olympics Cmte. He broke his contract and his solemn word.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:15 AM
Jul 2012

If he has no problem scamming the Olympics Cmte, he has no problems scamming the rest of us.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
13. Then in a manner of good faith he returned all that money too!
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:21 AM
Jul 2012

If anyone believes any of this I have a beautiful bridge in London for sale. Will consider any offer.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
14. Were you working there or weren't you?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:26 AM
Jul 2012

Easy question, Mitt. This "I drew a paycheck but retroactively quit," doesn't answer the question.

Besides, are you saying this took 4 years for you to decide?

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
45. I too would like to know
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:12 PM
Jul 2012

What was Romney’s position at Bain? Did he set-up the policies and procedures? The business plan that cut jobs etc or not? If he did then he is still in charge. If people are following your orders even if you are not there to oversee directly you are still in charge, you have just delegated.
Does he still own the company? If it was in his a "blind trust" when he became governor then it was not a "blind trust". Who took control in 1999/2002? What happened before 1999? Did he do hostile take overs before 1999? If so he is Gordon Gecko in real life and he IS the problem not the cure.
We need to answer these questions. He was the sole owner and managed the company. Owned all stock and created the board. How can he not take responsibility? What kind of manager/owner lets people do huge deals without some knowledge.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
16. OKAY! This is getting to be much fun. Republicans come up with such good excuses for their
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:40 AM
Jul 2012

behavior. "Retired Retroactively" has got to be one that will survive the test of time. Does that mean he also gave the money back?

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
18. Im thinking back to 2004 with Kerry and even 2008 with Obama and can say with no doubts
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:42 AM
Jul 2012

that if this kind of bullshit would have hit the media circuit Kerry and Obama would hve been laughed out of contention..Do Republicans really think they can sell this bullshit..Wolf Blitzer is probably rehearsing the script now...

Dalai_1

(1,301 posts)
19. Tweets regarding this sham
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:43 AM
Jul 2012

southpaw ?@nycsouthpaw
Conquered nation retroactively consents to invasion, Romney administration announces


southpaw ?@nycsouthpaw
BREAKING: Ed Gillespie retroactively canceling these morning show interviews. Please stop using them in your tweets.


southpaw ?@nycsouthpaw
RT @BenLaBolt: If you "retire retroactively" do you return your income and profits from that period?

Dalai_1

(1,301 posts)
98. many on twitter are now using
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 07:57 AM
Jul 2012

# retroactively......I would imagine it will be used commonly
in our vocabulary from now on as sarcasm.Of course, those who
are not into politics will think I have lost my mind when I use it
that way!

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
21. I used to work with my hands ...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:55 AM
Jul 2012

Is this what happens when someone who doesn't have marketable job skills. It seems Mr Gillespie doesn't have a craft and it seems like he really does not care what others think about him or his own values. He is just another hack, like most of the Mittens Mob.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
24. So Romney was for retirement from Bain
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:02 AM
Jul 2012

before he was against it? No wait, Romney was against working for Bain before he was for it?

Ok I think I've got it - "Mitt Romney was against not retiring from Bain before he was for it."


Flip Flopney flips again....

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
43. That's the new Romney jobs plan
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:07 PM
Jul 2012

You know they want to stay focused on job creation. Retroactive retirement is the new Works Progress Administration for the neoliberal order.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
76. so I hear. But I think come January, we will thinking of more, shall we say...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 04:57 PM
Jul 2012

FORWARD-looking fashion styles?

Do we have a rim-shot smiley, or is that the closest thing?

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
27. That Might Make Some Sense
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:22 AM
Jul 2012

If it would have happened 4 months after the fact, but 4 years later -- give me a break. It sounds like a focus group tested talking point being fed to Gillespie by Frank Luntz.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
44. No focus group could come up with something as nonsensical as "retroactive retirement"
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:09 PM
Jul 2012

Frank Luntz is cringing right now, because he knows exactly how such a laughable notion will play with ordinary voters.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
28. Honestly, this is probably the most plausible explanation I've heard - except for that money detail
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:24 AM
Jul 2012

pesky isn't it? Something like $400k that he conveniently never returned...

And the comments about having to be in MA for business trips and such.

But yeah, this is probably the best excuse they could come up.

truthisfreedom

(23,148 posts)
82. Well they can't call Obama Osama anymore, because Obama killed him.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:30 PM
Jul 2012

All the other shit doesn't work... birthers are now labeled as lunatics by the majority of the country... so going back to Obama's roots in Chicago is their next tactic. But it's ridiculous because most of the US doesn't have anything against Chicago. We love Chicago, here in the Midwest. The thugs have run out of ways to paint Obama with a broad brush, so they're trying anything left over to see if the can find something that sticks. But it won't, because Obama and his team are to damned smart and have already prepared methods of dealing with any conceivable attack. Look at the beginning of rMoney's campaign earlier this year... he was harping about gas prices. What happened to gas prices? The dropped like a rock when they should have gone up during the summer travel period. Obama's got this.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
104. "We love Chicago, here in the Midwest."
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 09:49 AM
Jul 2012

We love you, too.

You're right. There is a bizarre solidarity in the Midwest. Especially between WI and Chicago. Despite our decades old pokin' at each other, you screw with WI and you've got a fight with Chicago. That's our damned backyard. Can't say the same for Indiana. No love there.

Until football season. Then Wisconsin is on their own. Fuck the Packers.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
103. Uh...yep, that's what they're doin'.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 09:39 AM
Jul 2012

Chicago is the new capitol, dontcha know. I wish them luck with this fight. That's my home city and there are a lot of people there with big mouths that will now find new and improved reasons to take this asshole down. I know I've found a new level of irate after reading this.

Hey, Romney, Gillespie and any other tool that thinks picking on one of the largest cities in this nation, one of the cities that helped BUILD this fucking nation is a good idea...fuck you. Your phony bullshit and lack of a soul would get you kicked to the curb in a minute. And, they'll do it with a grin and a pat on the back.

Love or hate Mayor Emmanuel, I bet he's got that kicked back Chicago grin on his face as we speak.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
31. Same goes to his filing taxes in Utah and when he got into trouble running for gov of Massachusetts
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jul 2012

He retroactive filed taxes in Massachusetts in order to "prove" he was a resident of Massachusetts. "I was a resident of Utah before I was a resident of Massachusetts". Don't hold him responsible for anything I don't want to accept. He will sign bills and declare it was only because they sent them to me, I could not help it. Now he can retroactive return to the tax payers the pensions we had to pay for him, stand up Mitt and right the wrongs you have done.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
32. Wow! Ed "The Chinless Wonder" Gillespie has really hit a new low here . . .
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:47 AM
Jul 2012

Fucking unbelievable. He gets paid to go on TV and say shit like this?

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)
33. "Retired Retroactively" ... is that like a Virgin Birther Trial Balloon ?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:48 AM
Jul 2012

Yeah, Rmoney is a Born-Again Venture Capitalist Politician trying

to erase his record!

Don't read his lips, read his resume!

The PREPOSTEROUS ARROGANCE of these GOP Talking Heads is OUTRAGEOUS!

Gillespie should retire - RETROACTIVELY!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
36. To Mittens and his surrogates
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:52 AM
Jul 2012

stop the lying please. Once you lie to cover up another lie you lose.

Come forth with your tax returns, at least 12 years like your daddy, and let the American people judge you. Shit you want to represent us than give us, the American people a reason why we should vote for you, although I personally know why the GOP base is voting for you because these "Christians" HATE Pres O so much.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
37. What a joke! From Twitter: "Mitt to Bain: I wish I knew how to quit you."
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:53 AM
Jul 2012
@CharlesMBlow
Retired retroactively? This has to be a joke, right? Right?! Mitt to Bain: "I wish I knew how to quit you."
https://twitter.com/charlesmblow/status/224529690075996160
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
40. He left a life he loved
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:02 PM
Jul 2012


to help starving people?

to dress like Mother Teresa?

to FIND himself?

or

to make a ton of money.... again....?

Jessy169

(602 posts)
46. Such noble sacrifice on Romney's part
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:15 PM
Jul 2012

to "leave" the life and wife he loved so he could save America and save the olympics.



Reading over on KOS, it looks like a still untouched but potentially rich vein of more lies and bullshit is directly connected to Romney's "sacrifice" and "service" to America in "saving" the olympics. Who wants to bet that the sacrifice and service ends up being something more like underhanded and self-serving deals? I've got my fingers crossed.

Jessy169

(602 posts)
41. The Republican base voters
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jul 2012

can now stop denying that Romney told lies about when he left Bain, and switch to explaining to all of us libtards that Romney retired retroactively. That makes complete sense -- to a right-wing loonie -- but none whatsoever to me.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
48. Was that a Republican spinmeister or a stand up comic talking?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jul 2012

That one ranks up there with Ron Ziegler's declaration that previous White House statements concerning Watergate were "inoperative."

You mean he ran Bain, which made money running businesses into the ground, until 2003 and then retired retroactively to 1999? Is that how he decides his stands on issues, too? He supported a woman's right to choose while running for governor of Massachusetts, and then became pro-life retroactively to to 1980? He supported an individual mandate in healthcare while governor, but then after Congress passed the ACA without a single GOP vote, he opposed it retroactively to 1993? And he supports being kind to animals retroactively to the moment he strapped Shamus onto the roof of his car?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
52. Big Words!
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:39 PM
Jul 2012

To anyone foolish enough to be a Teabagger, using big words like "retroactively" is all you need to make it legit.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
65. Even if the general public buys this bullshit (which they wont--not by a long shot)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:56 PM
Jul 2012

it STILL makes him responsible for all those jobs that got outsourced during that period. Which is what he was trying to avoid to begin with. So not ONLY is he trying to be a duplicitous bastard of the first order, he just proved that he's stunningly BAD AT IT.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
67. You've noticed what I've noticed about Mitt
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 02:15 PM
Jul 2012

For as much as he tells stretchers, he's not very good at it. Maybe he'll bring back Ari Fleischer as White House press secretary.

Don't misunderestimate the American public. Horsepucky! was the overwhelming reaction to Zeigler's famous "all previous statements are inoperative" declaration. If Clinton's "I did not have sex with that woman" was met with a wide outpouring of yawns it was because few cared if he did or didn't, not because anyone believed him when he said he didn't. And who really thought the Frat Boy's mission in Iraq had been accomplished?

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
51. LMAO
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:39 PM
Jul 2012

So, after leaving Bain leaderless for three years, and after the 2002 Olympics finished in February, Rmoney discovered that "the challenges of the Olympics led him to 'retire retroactively.' ?"

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
58. As a former Enron lobbyist and Jack Abramoff buddy, he either has the highest credibility
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:06 PM
Jul 2012

or was picked as the best liar

bpositive

(423 posts)
56. What the fu*%
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:04 PM
Jul 2012

This makes no sense at all. Retire retroactively ... Really?

So he "works" for a few years after he supposedly retired (signatures prove it) then when he gets caught in a lie, his rescuers come up with this crap.

My kids have better excuses and they are 7 years old.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
61. Hey, if Bobby Ewing can survive 'retroactively'
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:25 PM
Jul 2012

I don't see why Mitt can't rewrite history too, if it suits him.




There's a little similarity ...

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
66. Wonder if the GOP can get another nominee.. retroactively.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 02:15 PM
Jul 2012

How did they end up with the turd in the punchbowl? No one really liked him...

elleng

(130,980 posts)
68. Yes, he did, or 'tried to,' anyway!
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 02:28 PM
Jul 2012

Cited and discussed here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=166786

I said: He's using 'legal wiggle words' to assert 'truthfully' that he had 'retired from Bain in 1999!'
I'm a lawyer so I'm not mocking legal language, just his 'expectation' that his fancy footwork will go over well with the 'public.'

kworkman

(19 posts)
73. Ed Gillespie
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 03:55 PM
Jul 2012

Don't forget you're talking about Enron Ed Gillespie. Who in their right mind would believe anything he says.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
78. Which country would that be????
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 05:02 PM
Jul 2012

"He left a life he loved to go to Salt Lake City and help a country he loves more, and somehow Chicago… is trying to make it something sinister".

These assholes are pathetic. How much time did it take for Rmoney to write checks for the Olympics anyway? More tax write offs is ALL he was looking for.

lakercub

(659 posts)
80. Obviously this is nonsense
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:07 PM
Jul 2012

But can you imagine the love that many CEOs of big corporations have for an idea like this? Think of all the CEOs out there who have made absurd amounts of money and have run their companies into the ground or done all kinds of illegal garbage who would love to be able to say "Oh wait, that's no longer my responsibility...I retroactively retired before it happened." Think Ken Lay would have liked this? How about Carly after her disastrous HP run?

This is the kind of business wrangling horseshit I can actually see the wealthy trying to get through the SEC. Most of these jerks need as many Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free cards as they can get. I hope there is a rule in place that says "if you sign documents as a board member, CEO, CFO, COO, or any other company-leading position or you continue to get paid in one of these positions, you assume all responsibility for that position. No exceptions."

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
107. "Retroactive" and "backdating" are distinct concepts
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 10:11 AM
Jul 2012

Retroactive is assigning a date in the past to coincide with the actual event.
Backdating is assigning a date in the past prior to the actual event.

You might be saying that romney's problem is not that he retired retroactively but rather he backdated his retirement. I'd agree with that. I have no problem with the concept of "retroactive" and so I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with the concept of "retroactive retirement".

It could be useful to describe romney's retirement as "backdated" instead of "retroactive" but as this thread illustrates there's more than enough misunderstanding of "retroactive" (time machines!?) so that it probably isn't necessary.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
83. That does not relieve Romney from the appearance of a conflict of interest
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:02 PM
Jul 2012

and corruption. He should know that.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
84. Did he actually file any "leave of absence" paperwork (that wasn't also retroactive)?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:21 PM
Jul 2012

Or did he just stop showing up to work but still putting his name on things sometimes.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
86. Hey, can everyone who voted for GWB rescind their votes retroactively?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:20 PM
Jul 2012

You know, so we can undo the damage.

patricia92243

(12,597 posts)
88. If I understand what Romney is saying: Everything was squeky clean until he left to manage
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:27 PM
Jul 2012

the olympics. Then all of a sudden Bain changed their whole way of doing things - and became villians that helped moved jobs to China, etc

Only people with Freeper mentality would believe this.

No wonder he doesn't want anyone to see his tax returns.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
90. Hey, Robme wasn't the driver of the clown car for nothing.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:50 PM
Jul 2012

What else do you expect from the driver of the clown car, people?

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
93. Another one bites the dust...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:50 PM
Jul 2012

Nice try-- at least it's alliterative

I do so look forward to the debates...

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
96. Hey, Gillespie, Did Romney Also Return All Compensation Received After February, 1999?
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 02:22 AM
Jul 2012

Surely, he would have done that, right? Also, what did Romney claim in 2002 to satisfy his residency requirement for his run as Governor -- that he took a temporary leave to run the Olympic Committee. Looks to me like he wants it both ways.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
97. He signed legal documents while he was retroactively "retired." That sounds illegal.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 07:06 AM
Jul 2012

I'm beginning to wonder now, what happens if a candidate for President is charged with a felony? No doubt he will continue to campaign while out on bail. He would insist the federal felony charges are just "technicalities" and trumped-up political theater. His legal team would delay the trial until after the election. He won't be elected, but in theory, he could be convicted after taking the oath of office. Then he could pardon himself!

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)
108. Maybe
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 10:14 PM
Jul 2012

Mitt should retroactively retire as a Presidential candidate ....

or retroactively release his tax returns.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
109. "He left a life he loved to go to Salt Lake City and help a country he loves more,
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:07 AM
Jul 2012

and somehow Chicago...is trying to make it something sinister."

Seems like Ruhpublicans really have it out for Chicagoans, don't they?

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