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highplainsdem

(48,993 posts)
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:22 PM Jan 2017

Koch network criticizes Trump's immigration order

Source: The Hill

Leaders of the Koch network on Sunday criticized President Trump's executive order barring refugees and people from seven majority-Muslim countries from entering the U.S.

"We believe it is possible to keep Americans safe without excluding people who wish to come here to contribute and pursue a better life for their families," said Brian Hooks, the president of the Charles Koch Foundation, who is co-chairing a weekend conference of donors who help finance the Koch operation, according to The Washington Post.

“The travel ban is the wrong approach and will likely be counterproductive.”

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Charles Koch last year spoke out against Trump's proposed Muslim ban, calling it "antithetical to our approach." He said the idea to require Muslims to register was "reminiscent of Nazi Germany." A top GOP fundraiser, Koch and many of his top donors refused to support Trump during the campaign.

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Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/316776-koch-network-criticizes-trumps-immigration-order

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Koch network criticizes Trump's immigration order (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2017 OP
I'm suspicious The Liberal Lion Jan 2017 #1
What's In it for them? JustAnotherGen Jan 2017 #2
Oil. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2017 #3
for real starshine00 Jan 2017 #6
Including the newly-available Iranian oil. nt BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #7
Closing Iran's oil off to the world would make their oil more valuable. Lucky Luciano Jan 2017 #8
They would need to cut off a whole lot more than that to gain value. BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #9
Close off Iran and oil goes up $5-10 in a week. nt Lucky Luciano Jan 2017 #12
They aren't that big a producer BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #18
I watch the Baker Hughes index too. Lucky Luciano Jan 2017 #20
What may make it move BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #21
Yep JustAnotherGen Jan 2017 #13
Not only this... paleotn Jan 2017 #10
When Dick Cheney and the Koch brothers turn on you.... underpants Jan 2017 #4
Game over, man! Game over! paleotn Jan 2017 #11
Good cop / bad cop poli-junkie Jan 2017 #5
Koch and friends plan to spend $400 million on 2018 midterms. Not a dime will go to Democrats! dalton99a Jan 2017 #14
No duh! vkkv Jan 2017 #15
Trump is a proxy war between the Kochs and Robert Mercer. Tanuki Jan 2017 #16
thanks - interesting Locrian Jan 2017 #19
This, in the end, is what will bring Trump down. LudwigPastorius Jan 2017 #17

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
1. I'm suspicious
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:27 PM
Jan 2017

But let's see how this plays out. My mind tells me smoke and mirrors, but I'm open minded. Let's see.

Lucky Luciano

(11,257 posts)
8. Closing Iran's oil off to the world would make their oil more valuable.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:17 PM
Jan 2017

In that respect, they sound benefit from sanctions on Iran.

BumRushDaShow

(129,062 posts)
18. They aren't that big a producer
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 05:54 AM
Jan 2017

and the result would be a ramp up again of U.S. oil. I.e., the Saudi push had kept the prices low to drive the U.S. producers out of the market due to the cost to produce. It will have to be a delicate balance.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141683025

<...>

The OPEC-engineered price rally has spurred a surge in drilling in the U.S. shale patch. Rigs targeting crude in the U.S. rose by 15 to 566 last week, the highest since November 2015, according to Baker Hughes Inc.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-30/opec-convinces-investors-that-its-oil-production-cuts-are-real


And with Drumpf in office, Keystone will be a reality.

Lucky Luciano

(11,257 posts)
20. I watch the Baker Hughes index too.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:15 PM
Jan 2017

Just note that oil was feeling a lot of pressure to the downside as Iran's sanctions were looking like they would be lifted...on the lift, oil went down further - it does affect Brent more than WTI, but the spread between those two need to be somewhat tight now that we are allowed to export oil (oil is quasi-fungible).


Agree with your point though - hard for oil to go much above 60-65 as more shale producers come on line - especially after they slashed the cost of production for dirty fracky oil since the plunge.

BumRushDaShow

(129,062 posts)
21. What may make it move
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 05:34 AM
Jan 2017

depends on what the dollar does and if speculators decide to re-enter this commodity again. And with Keystone apparently on again, Canada will eventually accelerate their tar sands oil into the market (unless Trudeau is able to slow that down) and add more supply (with the goal to have it refined in Texas).

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
13. Yep
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:14 PM
Jan 2017

We have to start asking this whenever one tries to weasel out of their party affiliation. Let's practice this and get down perfectly.

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
10. Not only this...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:47 PM
Jan 2017

...they're also in a snit about little man's import tax plan. It would cost them millions in present form. Ironically, they're on our side this time. Not for the right reasons, but we'll take what we can get.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
19. thanks - interesting
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:26 AM
Jan 2017

>>They see the establishment as a very real threat to freedom in America, and they see the need to defeat it,”

I get the Koch's - they're the same GOP type free market bullshit.
The Mercers - not sure what they want in "tearing it down" except does that make them better able to compete with the Kochs in the aftermath?

LudwigPastorius

(9,150 posts)
17. This, in the end, is what will bring Trump down.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:10 AM
Jan 2017

...not that he's mentally ill and anti-American (which he is), but that he is bad for business.

The wall, the proposed trade wars and taxes, and the immigration ban would all impinge on corporate profits and the general economy.

If Trump is to be removed in the next two years, it must be at the hands of the Republican Congress. None of the conventional appeals to decency and sanity will work on them if they believe they can get a couple of Supreme Court seats and some of their agenda rammed through...UNTIL Trump really starts to fuck up the bottom line.

It's a case of 'the enemy of my enemy'.

For those, like me, who are trapped with Republican Senators and Reps, I recommend contacting them and complaining like you are a staunch supporter who is deeply concerned about how the new president is harming your business interests.

It may be the only way for us all to survive this.

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