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highplainsdem

(48,989 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:10 AM Jan 2017

Statisticians fear Trump White House will manipulate figures to fit narrative

Source: Guardian

US statisticians are concerned that Donald Trump’s administration might suppress or manipulate public statistics that don’t fit his narrative of the truth, the Guardian has learned. In a series of interviews, individuals who have recently left high-level positions at federal statistical agencies expressed worry that the administration may stop collecting and publishing data on subjects such as abortion, racial inequality and poverty.

“We should all be starting from the same numbers. I think that’s a fear that many of us have at this point - it’s that picking and choosing your numbers to suit your politics is not the way that we ought to be doing it,” said Katherine Wallman, chief statistician of the United States from 1992 to 3 January of this year.

Wallman, like other statisticians the Guardian spoke to, believes that a number system which consists of accurate, publicly available government data is currently under threat.

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Speaking on the phone in the first days of her retirement, Wallman explained that many new administrations “don’t necessarily understand the autonomy of the statistical agencies”. Other statisticians have described a range of ways in which public data might be influenced by the Trump administration.

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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/30/statistics-trump-administration-numbers-manipulation

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Statisticians fear Trump White House will manipulate figures to fit narrative (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2017 OP
Yeah, he'll start by transforming a 3 million vote loss into winning by a landslide groundloop Jan 2017 #1
KICK Cha Jan 2017 #2
I think there's a 110% certainty of that happening. Paladin Jan 2017 #3
Duh Solly Mack Jan 2017 #4
Prevention of data collection has worked well.... CincyDem Jan 2017 #5
TrumpCorp constantly manipulates facts so... WePurrsevere Jan 2017 #6
Well we know the figures they used to reject Obama's recovery hollowdweller Jan 2017 #7
Gee ya think? flygal Jan 2017 #8
That's a given. toddwv Jan 2017 #9
Expect it. dalton99a Jan 2017 #10
There's a positive way to look at this.... TranssexualKaren Jan 2017 #11
Of course they will, they are already suppressing climate data and research from the EPA... EarthFirst Jan 2017 #12
These are the men making WH decisions...... riversedge Jan 2017 #13
It will save a lot of time in gathering data to just use numbers Donald "feels" are right. tclambert Jan 2017 #14
"Bureau of Labor Statistics guy! Unemployment is now 42%. It's 42%. Use that number." tclambert Jan 2017 #15
Cooking the books ... criminal intent! every.savvy.gal Jan 2017 #16

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
1. Yeah, he'll start by transforming a 3 million vote loss into winning by a landslide
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:16 AM
Jan 2017

I dearly hope that the repubs in Congress are smart enough to contain this madman. Unfortunately I'm afraid they'll just play along because he'll gladly rubber stamp their agenda.

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
3. I think there's a 110% certainty of that happening.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:21 AM
Jan 2017

Since when do trump or his goons give half a shit about the truth? Just more "alternate facts" for Conway and Spicer to spew at us.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
6. TrumpCorp constantly manipulates facts so...
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:29 AM
Jan 2017

manipulating or suppressing numbers/public data isn't a stretch. I'd be much more surprised if they didn't.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
7. Well we know the figures they used to reject Obama's recovery
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:46 AM
Jan 2017

So if things get worse under the same metrics we should use them.

TranssexualKaren

(364 posts)
11. There's a positive way to look at this....
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:29 AM
Jan 2017

The Soviet Union told its people nothing but lies and soon people simply stopped listening to them.
In the same way that real change comes from large crowds of protesters than from the president if the job of finding data falls to citizens and citizen activists we can break out of the paradigm of hoping that some liberal president who has all the answers will come and rescue us....


The revolution will not be televised!!!

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
12. Of course they will, they are already suppressing climate data and research from the EPA...
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:34 AM
Jan 2017

We already know that they are willing to present 'alternative facts' to the media.

So what's to keep them from suppressing data and disseminating their own figures to meet the narrative?

riversedge

(70,238 posts)
13. These are the men making WH decisions......
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:54 AM
Jan 2017

Trumpy just gives a photo op of his signing EO's


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tclambert

(11,086 posts)
14. It will save a lot of time in gathering data to just use numbers Donald "feels" are right.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:53 PM
Jan 2017

No more surveys, no more reports, no more studies, no more sampling or computer modeling, just take the numbers from Donald's latest irrational tweet on the subject. And DO NOT QUESTION our dear leader.

tclambert

(11,086 posts)
15. "Bureau of Labor Statistics guy! Unemployment is now 42%. It's 42%. Use that number."
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:59 PM
Jan 2017

"And next month, drop it down to 41%. Then 40% the month after. You get the pattern? What do you mean, 'You don't have data from future months yet?' I just gave you the future data."

every.savvy.gal

(3 posts)
16. Cooking the books ... criminal intent!
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:37 PM
Jan 2017

All of the statistics, the narratives, etc. need to be backed up and kept offline. Going forward, when (not if) we start to see the data changing, then we have proof of intent to hoodwink the PEOPLE. Cooking the books will only backfire on them and then become evidence of criminal intent which can be used as documentation in the impeachment proceedings which are a given. He can't help himself. He's a meglomaniac! And if they truly are removing facts from Obama's page, then the criminal acts have already begun.

All you keepers of the Data, please backup your sources so we have proof to hand off to the Senate Democrats when they go to court.

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