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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:01 PM Jan 2017

Trump signs order reducing regulations

Source: The Hill

President Trump on Monday signed an executive order aimed at rolling back regulations, fulfilling one of his campaign pledges.

Federal agencies will need to revoke two regulations for every new regulation they request. Administration officials told The Associated Press that they are naming the new directive a “one in, two out” plan.

The new executive order makes exceptions for emergencies and national security.

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During the campaign, Trump vowed to reduce regulations and at a meeting last week with business executives, he promised to cut them "massively" as well as cut taxes for businesses.

Read more: http://www.thehill.com/homenews/administration/316839-trump-to-sign-order-reducing-regulations



I guess Trump just repealed the Administrative Procedures Act. Who needs Congress?
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Trump signs order reducing regulations (Original Post) TomCADem Jan 2017 OP
Certainly not President Bannon justiceischeap Jan 2017 #1
He has no clue about how our country works! mtngirl47 Jan 2017 #2
A kind of Sophie's Choice approach to governance SticksnStones Jan 2017 #31
ruling by fiat. Javaman Jan 2017 #3
I sure hope that career professionals are tasked with doing this because... hedda_foil Jan 2017 #4
HEY!!!! That IS a strategy bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #10
I really hope you are right starshine00 Jan 2017 #30
He wants to make America safer from non-threatening angstlessk Jan 2017 #5
hey we can't let China kick our ass in pollution anymore starshine00 Jan 2017 #32
This is just stupid on so many levels. n/t Yonnie3 Jan 2017 #6
Is this another opportunity to show that he's clueless? Baitball Blogger Jan 2017 #7
Mission accomplished. BainsBane Jan 2017 #16
Legally, how do you just throw out two laws for every new one on the books? bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #8
Laws and regulations aren't necessarily the same thing metalbot Jan 2017 #38
That was my reaction - I can turn those 6 regulations Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #41
Some regulations need to go radical noodle Jan 2017 #9
I sincerely want to understand this issue SticksnStones Jan 2017 #33
Start naming some. rickford66 Jan 2017 #36
Okay... radical noodle Jan 2017 #45
How about eliminating Christmas as a Federal Holiday? rickford66 Jan 2017 #37
So all regulations are equal? central scrutinizer Jan 2017 #11
Nope. The cost of the ones eliminated must be equal to or greater than the cost of the new one onenote Jan 2017 #39
I hope the US Public Health Service is directed NCjack Jan 2017 #12
How does the EO have any weight in law? Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #13
It doesn't Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #42
Exactly as I guessed... Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #43
Lol BainsBane Jan 2017 #14
He'll order the Sun to rise in the West tomorrow dalton99a Jan 2017 #15
And then name his horse a Consul. WinkyDink Jan 2017 #46
IOW, arbitrary numbers which say nothing about the value or impact of the regulations... brooklynite Jan 2017 #17
With no consideration of what will be thrown Out? Kablooie Jan 2017 #18
The is gonna backfire... bigly! nt procon Jan 2017 #19
This sounds like it will get the same results as i did when I told my logosoco Jan 2017 #20
Not only is Congress getting Rat F***ked turbinetree Jan 2017 #21
Exactly. 2naSalit Jan 2017 #34
Stupid is as stupid does. They_Live Jan 2017 #22
Of course deancr Jan 2017 #23
+1 dalton99a Jan 2017 #24
What a mindnumbingly, stupidly absurd proposal. yallerdawg Jan 2017 #25
I guess election has consequences golfguru Jan 2017 #26
Correction: make trump 0.05-termer mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #27
How many votes for impeachment? golfguru Jan 2017 #29
Given the general 50-50 split between left and right. . . matt819 Jan 2017 #28
Unconstitutional? Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #35
Let's see... jmowreader Jan 2017 #40
So this will apply to anti-choice and gun rights also...... Right? keithbvadu2 Jan 2017 #44

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
1. Certainly not President Bannon
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:04 PM
Jan 2017

I mean, he's on record as stating he wants to destroy the state... he's just making his first steps in doing so as all of those people in the DC capitol building roll over and play dead.

mtngirl47

(989 posts)
2. He has no clue about how our country works!
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:05 PM
Jan 2017

So who is supposed to decide which regulations to take out? FFS

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
31. A kind of Sophie's Choice approach to governance
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:25 PM
Jan 2017

Well that seems like a reasonable way to go about it.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
3. ruling by fiat.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:06 PM
Jan 2017

he will completely ignore congress and just keep issuing presidential decrees. mark my words.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
4. I sure hope that career professionals are tasked with doing this because...
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:08 PM
Jan 2017

It would be pretty easy to just incorporate the two rules to be deleted to be incorporated into a new rule.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
30. I really hope you are right
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:25 PM
Jan 2017

This is like a King blinding all his competition to the thrown or something it is so unreasonable. This is insulting to us as a country, there should be no blanket repeal of regulations, each one should be judged on its merit.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
5. He wants to make America safer from non-threatening
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:08 PM
Jan 2017

folks from other countries, but not from REAL threats like dirty air, water, food, medicine ad nauseatum!

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
32. hey we can't let China kick our ass in pollution anymore
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:26 PM
Jan 2017

We have to be the best in the world at the things that matter.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
8. Legally, how do you just throw out two laws for every new one on the books?
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:09 PM
Jan 2017

Congress signed off on the agencies that make regulations, or in some
cases passed laws to approve them.

Stroke of a pen, these laws are gone. I say so. Presidents don't even have
line item veto, and that is a budgetary angle.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
38. Laws and regulations aren't necessarily the same thing
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jan 2017

The BATFE, for example, has thousands of pages of regulations on the manufacturing of firearms. Those aren't laws, but there are laws that says that the BATFE can enforce their regulations (unless the regulations are found to be unconstitutional). Trump's EO doesn't apply to laws that form the framework for the regulations.

The EO is a disaster, because there is no definition for what a "regulation" is. (And this is on top of the broader issue of why such an order would be helpful or needed in any way).

For example:
Foreign owned banks operating in the US must:
1. Do A
a. This must be done each quarter
b. Chief Treasury Officer must sign off on this
2. Do B
a. This must be done once a year
b. Chief Treasury Officer must sign off on this

Is that one regulation or two or four or six?

This is just another not-even-half-baked campaign promise that he's checking the box on.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
41. That was my reaction - I can turn those 6 regulations
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:37 PM
Jan 2017

(if we count them that way) into one. Just renumber, reformat.

Moron.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
9. Some regulations need to go
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:10 PM
Jan 2017

I worked in small businesses all my working life and I can tell you that there are so many regulations and requirements, not only for the federal government but also state and local ones, that they can be a hardship. Obviously, some are vital for the environment or safety, but some would just be laughable if we hadn't been forced to follow them.

I think he's way off saying 75% are unnecessary, however.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
33. I sincerely want to understand this issue
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:29 PM
Jan 2017

No snark at all....but can you give any more detail to the kinds of regulations that made running a small business difficult and created hardship.

I really am just asking for information ~

Peace

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
45. Okay...
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:41 PM
Jan 2017

The migratory bird regulation (which I assume is still in force since I retired 4-1/2 years ago). If you find a dead migratory bird you are supposed to notify certain officials and identify the location. The problem is that I worked for construction companies, and the guys who worked there wouldn't know a migratory bird from a goldfinch. When I passed out that regulation they all looked at me like WTF? It isn't that I don't see what they're going for, it's that you can bet that unless they find a dead eagle they're just never going to "see" it.

The hazmat book thing goes way over the top. I sometimes wonder if they do that in order to be able to fine you for something. We worked our butts off trying to make sure that everything they used was in the book, a nearly impossible task. Then one day a brake line broke on one of the trucks and the brake fluid wasn't in the book. Those guys didn't work with brake fluid but still because it was inside the truck (like so many other things) they wanted it in the book. I also understand the reasons for the hazmat books but there seems to be no limit on what they wanted.

Safety rules are over the top and difficult to follow because they can be contradictory. We were a company with about 35 employees and I had to pay a safety management group several thousand dollars to make sure that nothing was left out. That was several thousand dollars that didn't come easily. No one was making a lot of money and it was a union construction company, so they got lots of employer paid benefits. Nothing should be that difficult. We actually had to hire another person in our office to deal with a lot of the regulations.

Gas line regulations (I'm talking about the gas that's piped to homes) were really confusing and required multiple hours of work. Guys who had been working on gas lines for 25-30 years were treated like novices. Again, I do understand how critical the placement of a gas line is, but it did go over the top.

Just a sample from my perspective. Those regulations could have been simplified a great deal. They also seemed to change every year so we'd have to start from scratch again. It was time consuming, tedious and expensive. We did a lot of work for Duke Energy and they kept beating us down in price while more and more regulations were added. It was nearly a losing proposition.

Listen, like most people here I know regulations keep us safe but until a person has to deal with some of these they don't know how burdensome and sometimes silly they become.


onenote

(42,704 posts)
39. Nope. The cost of the ones eliminated must be equal to or greater than the cost of the new one
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:04 PM
Jan 2017

Of course, trying to figure that out will, in and of itself, add to the cost of the regulatory process.

I've been a regulatory attorney for more than 30 years and this beyond ridiculously stupid into some heretofore unknown plane of stupidity.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
12. I hope the US Public Health Service is directed
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:13 PM
Jan 2017

to issue personal gas masks and water filters to all. By the time Trump's friends, esp. Koch's industries, make their reductions in emission controls, we will need at least that. Too bad there's not a filter to remove shit from our food. I suspect that Trump will now get his food from a clean source in western Europe.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
13. How does the EO have any weight in law?
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jan 2017

Just because Trump wants - doesn't mean the congress has to listen to him? Am I wrong?

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
42. It doesn't
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jan 2017

Here's a reasonable overview:

https://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/basics-regulatory-process

You'll note the President's role is limited to approving or vetoing the underlying bill that is then codified and included in the United States Code.

That's it. Done.

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
14. Lol
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:16 PM
Jan 2017

Take away two for every one. Jesus. How about some thought on to which ones should go?

The pathetic thing is, this will satisfy his supporters. All these BS executive orders are convincing to them, even the ones that amount to nothing.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
18. With no consideration of what will be thrown Out?
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:31 PM
Jan 2017

So can toy companies throw out regulations that prevent them from selling knives as toys?
Can baby formula start adding plaster to their products after eliminating regulations?
Maybe seat belt regulations could be dropped.

Such a blanket order with no detail is bizarre.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
20. This sounds like it will get the same results as i did when I told my
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:35 PM
Jan 2017

kids to clean their rooms. Things got moved around a bit but when you really stood back and looked at it, nothing really was better.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
21. Not only is Congress getting Rat F***ked
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:35 PM
Jan 2017

everyone out in the countryside now getting it-----------------hello fascism.

With this dictatorial fascists and his cronies sitting in the oval office and is Rat F***king everything and they all smile, and say cheese to the camera.

What's going to be amazing to watch, is this right wing fascists party not even realize they have been had by one of there own, now that he now owns them and they own him, and he is just Rat F***king


They_Live

(3,233 posts)
22. Stupid is as stupid does.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:36 PM
Jan 2017

If I install a new stop sign at an dangerous intersection, I will need to remove two other stop signs that are already established.

Makes no sense.

deancr

(150 posts)
23. Of course
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:40 PM
Jan 2017

Because regulations are like M&Ms-one red equals two blues. Trump saw it on Morning Joe.

Dumb tide rising.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
25. What a mindnumbingly, stupidly absurd proposal.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:53 PM
Jan 2017

This is straight out of the 'alternative reality' these rightwing fanatics and their enablers imagine.

The mind of a simpleton.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
28. Given the general 50-50 split between left and right. . .
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jan 2017

This would suggest that 7% or more of his supporters are no longer his supporters. Depending on any number of factors, this would suggest that more than 4 million of his voters probably wouldn't vote for him today. They are the ones who need to get on the phones to their (presumably) republican legislators and let them know that they are no longer blindly supporting the shitgibbon.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
40. Let's see...
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:17 PM
Jan 2017

If the Federal Money Agency had a regulation requiring dollar bills to be green and another requiring them to have the words "one dollar" on them, why couldn't the new regulation requiring them to be printed on hemp paper be an omnibus regulation that encompasses the first two rules? They could then satisfy Caligula's edict without actually changing anything.

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