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canetoad

(17,167 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 07:54 PM Jan 2017

Donald Trump to withdraw from Paris agreement, 'change course' on climate change, says adviser

Source: The Age

London: The man who wrote the Trump administration's environment action plan says the environmental movement is "the greatest threat to freedom and prosperity in the modern world" and said the United States was about to change course on climate policy, including withdrawal from the Paris agreement.

Myron Ebell, who led the Environmental Protection Agency transition for the new administration, said he gave the president three pathways for withdrawing from the 2015 Paris agreement on greenhouse gas emissions, at least one of which could be done "right now".

He also said the president had been clear he wanted to abolish the EPA - though it might survive as a channel for pollution clean-up grants to states.

And he hinted at an end to emission standards for US vehicles, through abolishing the EPA's 'endangerment finding', which had given it powers to protect the public from the health threat posed by greenhouse gases.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/donald-trump-to-withdraw-from-paris-agreement-change-course-on-climate-change-says-adviser-20170130-gu1t58.html



I just have no words left to describe the horror of this man's ascension to the position of power he is now abusing.
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Donald Trump to withdraw from Paris agreement, 'change course' on climate change, says adviser (Original Post) canetoad Jan 2017 OP
Total abdication of American leadership fountainofyouth Jan 2017 #1
He will isolate us from all of our allies bdamomma Jan 2017 #28
There is no difference between Trump and Hillary Renew Deal Jan 2017 #2
Absolute alternate reality still_one Jan 2017 #16
+ 1,000 greatauntoftriplets Jan 2017 #32
Yep, and it's pathetic. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #36
I wonder how the Sarandons of the world feel about this environmental news starshine00 Jan 2017 #38
I'm sure they think it proves their point Renew Deal Jan 2017 #41
that HRC is worse? starshine00 Jan 2017 #42
Yes Renew Deal Jan 2017 #43
my guess is there is some uber-stoners online forum starshine00 Jan 2017 #65
She's old and rich - won't affect her much. we can do it Jan 2017 #56
+1000 nt iluvtennis Jan 2017 #44
Hope they are all sleeping still sleeping just fine at night- snooper2 Jan 2017 #67
Except Hillary is more dangerous, said Jill Stein Hekate Jan 2017 #69
What a bunch of fools! manicraven Jan 2017 #3
I want trump out of office, right fucking now. Paladin Jan 2017 #4
me too bdamomma Jan 2017 #29
Trump is clearly not fit to be POTUS True_Blue Jan 2017 #48
A new atrocity every single day! Mountain Mule Jan 2017 #5
it has come to that. starshine00 Jan 2017 #39
Yep Mountain Mule Jan 2017 #46
No surprise here.... Elections have consequences beachbum bob Jan 2017 #6
THIS X 1,000,000,000,000,000 lindysalsagal Jan 2017 #8
YES! So sick of the whiny "conscience" voters. we can do it Jan 2017 #54
Fuck him fuck him fuck him! LW1977 Jan 2017 #7
Does that mean we can dump our garbage in their backyards? bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #9
i have an idea where to dump it. JudyM Jan 2017 #11
It feels like things get worse and worse with each passing day. The scary thing is.. -Steph- Jan 2017 #10
Sigh. So...basically, we are changing tack so that our species will sail PatrickforO Jan 2017 #12
one last killing... alterfurz Jan 2017 #17
The level of pure evil that this represents... gypsy11 Jan 2017 #13
I was living in Durango, CO ProudLib72 Jan 2017 #14
I live in Cortez, Colorado Mountain Mule Jan 2017 #22
I live in Western Colorado and I feel your pain colorado_ufo Jan 2017 #45
Now I live in Denver again ProudLib72 Jan 2017 #63
I blame Jill Stein and all the others to claimed that Hillary was unqualified or "the same as" Trump NurseJackie Jan 2017 #15
I'm right there with you. This is why I don't trust Greens, and never want to be "allies" with them. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #18
So why not coopt their party planks at the top of the Democratic Party agenda Occulus Jan 2017 #31
Fuck them and theiving idiot Stein. we can do it Jan 2017 #58
Republicans are the only people in the entire fucking world who don't believe in climate change wendyb Jan 2017 #19
They believe in raping, pillaging, destruction, taking the money and running. Judi Lynn Jan 2017 #20
For the rank and file Trumpers, maybe, but the people at the top damn well know what's going on. briv1016 Jan 2017 #52
They think not fooled Jan 2017 #59
This, exactly. we can do it Jan 2017 #60
Mother Fucker! Glimmer of Hope Jan 2017 #21
What were the regressives saying about Obama not being respected around the world? Lanius Jan 2017 #23
True puppet horror show heaven05 Jan 2017 #24
"Pollution clean-up grants to states" Lanius Jan 2017 #25
Wonder if Bernard Langer told 45 this was a good idea? sarcasmo Jan 2017 #26
Extremist Deniers and the Fossil Fuel minions kyburbonkid Jan 2017 #27
Maybe Yellowstone Will Be Sold as a Resort... TomCADem Jan 2017 #30
Hope they don't decide to frack anywhere near that caldera in Yellowstone. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #57
insanity AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #33
This is the first administration that is not only indifferent to environmental protection but world wide wally Jan 2017 #34
+1 dalton99a Jan 2017 #47
he's doing exactly what he said he'd do.... dhill926 Jan 2017 #35
Yup. Nobody, nobody should be surprised. It was all out there. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2017 #50
well, to be clear, it wasn't exactly clear what he would do on climate, he denied being a denier Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #73
Jesus, I'm never going to get another night's sleep am I. nolabear Jan 2017 #37
Me either. And I'm out of nails to bite. we can do it Jan 2017 #61
well weissmam Jan 2017 #40
I would replace the letter "f" in fool with a "t" YoungDemCA Jan 2017 #71
Love Canal. Even Nixon established the EPA. tRump establishes himself as much worse than Nixon. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2017 #49
CalExit SCVDem Jan 2017 #51
Fossil fuel industries own him. hay rick Jan 2017 #53
Trump Library site Zambero Jan 2017 #55
That fucking son of a bitch! smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #62
What we need is an alt-government LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #64
Somewhere this morning I spotted a headline about California beaches disappearing. Vinca Jan 2017 #66
What the fuck am I supposed to tell my daughter in 20 years? NickB79 Jan 2017 #68
This leaves me feeling devastated Qanisqineq Jan 2017 #70
yes, I know. All we can do is try to get him as soon as possible before too much damage is done Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #72

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
28. He will isolate us from all of our allies
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:00 PM
Jan 2017

who have some sort of "free society/democracy, to those with authoritarian regimes.

Doesn't he realize how people hate him???

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
38. I wonder how the Sarandons of the world feel about this environmental news
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:48 PM
Jan 2017

did they think of him as a fellow actor or something?

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
65. my guess is there is some uber-stoners online forum
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jan 2017

that was CIA infiltrated and where these memes were planted.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
67. Hope they are all sleeping still sleeping just fine at night-
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 03:21 PM
Jan 2017

"However, when it was over, I realized something. I don't like Hillary Clinton or her husband. She does not have my vote. I voted for Bill twice, and he went on to sign NAFTA, GATT, the Telecommunications Act and the Defense of Marriage Act into law. That's on my conscience. I voted for John Kerry, who voted for the Iraq War, because I believed a second Bush term was intolerable, and that vote is on my conscience. I voted for Obama, his drones, his fracking enthusiasm, his TPP and his Keystone pipeline, and all that is on my conscience as well. Not this time. I intend to sleep at night come November."

snip

"Still, my father would have liked to see it. I will watch it for him, smile when he would have smiled. I will also shake my fist at the screen, and remember that it's just a show."



WILLIAM RIVERS PITT

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/36992-just-a-show-the-calm-sham-of-the-dnc

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
4. I want trump out of office, right fucking now.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:00 PM
Jan 2017

Democratic politicians, do your jobs and save this country. You don't want to face the alternative for your lack of decisive action.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
46. Yep
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:10 PM
Jan 2017

I am 65 years old and never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined wanting an American president taken out - no matter how much I disagreed with him. But never in my wildest dreams did I ever imagine that a soulless creature like this monster could become POTUS. I want Obama back so much, I could just cry.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
6. No surprise here.... Elections have consequences
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:05 PM
Jan 2017

Not voting or voting 3rd party gave us trump....Job well done

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
8. THIS X 1,000,000,000,000,000
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:09 PM
Jan 2017

"B00 hoo- Neither candidate was nice enough to me so I won't vote..."

He promised apocolypse, and they claimed they wanted it.

we can do it

(12,189 posts)
54. YES! So sick of the whiny "conscience" voters.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:40 PM
Jan 2017

I didn't get the exact person I wanted, so let the earth burn.

-Steph-

(409 posts)
10. It feels like things get worse and worse with each passing day. The scary thing is..
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:13 PM
Jan 2017

We're only on day 10. Impeach this monster ASAP, because I'm truly frightened of what things will look like by day 1,460.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
12. Sigh. So...basically, we are changing tack so that our species will sail
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:18 PM
Jan 2017

right into extinction. Yep. But hey, those capitalists are gonna keep on RAKIN' IN THOSE PROFITS.

You know, every time you lift the rock of human misery and look upon the maggots squirming underneath, it is always one or more old, white, liver-spotted, male hands grasping after MORE PROFITS.

Capitalism sucks and if we want this species to survive AT ALL, we need to start organizing around human need rather than human greed.

In the meantime, I plan to call my Senators and Representative each day on this matter and see if we can get some sanity back in here.

Fucking Trump.

gypsy11

(341 posts)
13. The level of pure evil that this represents...
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:24 PM
Jan 2017

is painful. It's actually painful. It's the equivalent (for me) of waking into their church and taking a shit on the alter. Fuck them. They have no right to kill the planet.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
14. I was living in Durango, CO
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:30 PM
Jan 2017

when the Gold King mine popped its plug and the Animas River turned neon orange. There are at least 1,000 other mines in Colorado exactly like the Gold King, just waiting to pop their plugs. The thing is, the EPA was in charge of monitoring all those mines, and Gold King was an anomaly. So, what happens when there is no EPA, no one to monitor those mines? Gold King X1000? Colorado will be ruined. Northern New Mexico will be ruined. Arizona will be ruined. The other thing to take into consideration in all of this is that western CO and Arizona are full of repukes. So what will it look like when Herr Fuerer contaminates millions of repuke's lands?

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
22. I live in Cortez, Colorado
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:42 PM
Jan 2017

and your reply was right on. Without the EPA, the water in much of Colorado will go toxic, poisoned by the run-off from old uranium mines, crap like Gold King, arsenic that leaches from the tailings of old, abandoned mines all over the Colorado mountains. I already will not drink the tap water in Cortez thanks to the extensive fracking and drilling conducted around here by Kinder Morgan. Things are bad enough WITH the EPA in place. Without it? Bhopal is going to look like a picnic, and people in every other state besides Colorado can wave bye-bye to their health and standard of living. I am on outrage overload!


ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
63. Now I live in Denver again
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:15 PM
Jan 2017

and I don't think that many people on the front range really understand the problem these old mines pose. Only half a state away, and they couldn't care less.

The point is, these mines are just a single example of what will happen in the absence of an EPA. If non-locals (even in state) don't care, then how much permanent damage will occur before anything is done?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. I blame Jill Stein and all the others to claimed that Hillary was unqualified or "the same as" Trump
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:30 PM
Jan 2017

... Sarandon, yeah, that's right... I'm talking about you.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
18. I'm right there with you. This is why I don't trust Greens, and never want to be "allies" with them.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:36 PM
Jan 2017

If they really gave a shit about the planet (as they claim), they would stop throwing elections to the party that REALLY doesn't give a shit.

(G)etting
(R)epublicans
(E)lected
(E)very
(N)ovember

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
31. So why not coopt their party planks at the top of the Democratic Party agenda
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:08 PM
Jan 2017

and siphon off as many Green voters as possible?

All you're doing by pointing fingers (and this is true for a lot of people here) is proving and affirming that they have the power to make Democrats lose elections, unless. Every time you blame them for Hillary's loss, you prove to them that the party cannot win without their consent.

From their point of view, Democrats need them if Democrats want to win. To extend that, they've by their strategy proven that with Hillary's loss. From what I've heard from them and from other nominally progressive voters who refused to vote for Hillary- and there are a whole lot more of them than most here are willing to admit- the Democratic Party needs to listen to and cater to them, or the Democratic Party will continue to lose elections.

Basically, what they want is to do to the Democratic Party what the Tea Party very successfully did to the Republicans (using, by the way, the exact same tactics), and they (many believe, correctly) see this most recent election as a "do what we demand, or else" message.

And I'll say it again: from their point of view, they won when Hillary lost. According to their strategy, it was never about electing Trump or defeating Clinton specifically, but rather sending the message in a mission-critical election that they have the power of the kingmakers.

Which, again, they conclusively proved they had such political power by, according to many here, causing Hillary's defeat. Obviously, you agree, or else you wouldn't be blaming them.

So why not coopt their whole platform and cut the whole movement off at the knees? Why blame them, instead, when blaming them only proves in their minds (and arguably, correctly proves) that they have the power to make the whole party lose unless their demands are met?

I'm not trying to give the Greens legitimacy here. You've already done that by admitting they have the power to cause Democratic losses. I'm asking why the Democratic Party isn't nullifying their positions by coopting them wholesale and giving the Green Party voters a more sure chance of political success for their own core issues.

wendyb

(60 posts)
19. Republicans are the only people in the entire fucking world who don't believe in climate change
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:36 PM
Jan 2017

This wording..that the environmental movement is 'the greatest thereat to freedom and prosperity' is sheer insanity. OMG..week 2..

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
20. They believe in raping, pillaging, destruction, taking the money and running.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:40 PM
Jan 2017

They all believe they will have died of old age before any of the worst effects can happen.

Criminals, all of them.

Welcome to D.U., wendyb.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
52. For the rank and file Trumpers, maybe, but the people at the top damn well know what's going on.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:26 PM
Jan 2017

You don't get to be a wealthy industrialist by ignoring what your R&D department is telling you. They know climate change is real, they're just assuming they're going to be dead before the worst of it hits. Remember, we're talking about mostly 70+ year old men here.

Now how they rationalize what they're doing to their kids and grand-kids lives is beyond me.

Lanius

(599 posts)
23. What were the regressives saying about Obama not being respected around the world?
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:52 PM
Jan 2017

I think Trump is doing quite well in damaging America's standing and reputation in the world. We're only on Day 10!

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
24. True puppet horror show
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:54 PM
Jan 2017

with the boy-potus as puppet of bannons...our country/world is in serious trouble...and ameriKKKans are applauding these two potential mass murderers.....damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lanius

(599 posts)
25. "Pollution clean-up grants to states"
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:54 PM
Jan 2017

So corporations will be free to pollute and the clean-up will be paid for by the taxpayers. That's the Republican version of redistribution of wealth.

kyburbonkid

(251 posts)
27. Extremist Deniers and the Fossil Fuel minions
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:57 PM
Jan 2017

Will be delighted to know how much they can damage the planet with immoral climate change inaction.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
30. Maybe Yellowstone Will Be Sold as a Resort...
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:02 PM
Jan 2017

... maybe offer pictures with caged buffaloes and set up a spa near springs.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
33. insanity
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:09 PM
Jan 2017

The goal is to dramatically increase demand for oil and its prices. Drill baby drill. If stands, this is a highway to the end of the world.

So we are truly looking forward to a dystopian future. And sad thing, republicans are gonna love it cause they all get money from ExxonMobil.

Bannon is fulfilling his mission to destroy the state, destroy the government. Putin is the biggest winner here. Trump is the walking definition of a useful idiot. Dugin's most brilliant discovery.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
34. This is the first administration that is not only indifferent to environmental protection but
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jan 2017

Actually ANTI-environment

dhill926

(16,339 posts)
35. he's doing exactly what he said he'd do....
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jan 2017

quickly and ruthlessly. up to all of us, ESPECIALLY CONGRESS, to resist the asshole.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
50. Yup. Nobody, nobody should be surprised. It was all out there.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:20 PM
Jan 2017

Hitler wrote Mein Kampf years before he ran for election as Chancellor in Germany.

Some people thought he could be restrained after winning or that he would listen to the council of careful wise advisers. So they voted him in.

Same with Donald Трампа. His extremism and erratic behavior were all quite visible before the election.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
73. well, to be clear, it wasn't exactly clear what he would do on climate, he denied being a denier
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:33 PM
Jan 2017

in the debates. But it is not a surprise.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
37. Jesus, I'm never going to get another night's sleep am I.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:36 PM
Jan 2017

I'm holding onto hope but it's getting harder.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
49. Love Canal. Even Nixon established the EPA. tRump establishes himself as much worse than Nixon.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:16 PM
Jan 2017

... And that is after 40 years of successes by the EPA protecting and cleaning up the environment.

Can Дональда Трампа remember Love Canal? I'm sure he can, as a real estate developer, because I'm sure he studied it for ways to weasel out of responsibilities in case he got into such a predicament. That was upstate New York.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
51. CalExit
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:22 PM
Jan 2017

I am hearing more about this California secession on news radio lately. Well, since tRump started his shit anyway.

I believe we have an approval to put this on the 2018 ballot.

I like Gov. Brown taking a hard line against backward legislation. We'll launch our own damn rockets if NASA won't.
We do have JPL and a few launch sites.

Stay tuned!

hay rick

(7,624 posts)
53. Fossil fuel industries own him.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:38 PM
Jan 2017

Ignore the bluster and look at the policies and appointments. The alternate explanation is massive coincidence.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
64. What we need is an alt-government
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:24 PM
Jan 2017

Set up a People's Government with its own laws based on human respect and dignity and fairness and environmental action.

Vinca

(50,276 posts)
66. Somewhere this morning I spotted a headline about California beaches disappearing.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 02:32 PM
Jan 2017

Trump is not content to destroy this country - he's aiming for the planet.

NickB79

(19,248 posts)
68. What the fuck am I supposed to tell my daughter in 20 years?
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 03:57 PM
Jan 2017

When the world is essentially falling apart between the rainforests being burned, most animal species going extinct, and climate-change-driven famines, sea level rise, refugee waves and insane weather systems turning stable nations into Somalia-style feudal states?

Sorry just doesn't seem to cut it.

Qanisqineq

(4,826 posts)
70. This leaves me feeling devastated
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 04:36 PM
Jan 2017

I am outraged at so much of what he is doing, but this just makes me want to curl up and cry. Anything he is doing with the environment makes me feel hopeless.

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