Critics Won't Release Returns
Source: The Fresno Bee
Critics of Mitt Romney won't release own tax returns
By Kevin G. Hall and David Lightman - Bee Washington Bureau
Wednesday, Jul. 18, 2012 | 11:02 PM
WASHINGTON -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi was emphatic. Mitt Romney's refusal to release more than two years of his personal tax returns, she said, makes him unfit to win confirmation as a member of the president's Cabinet, let alone to hold the high office himself.
Sen. Harry Reid went farther: Romney's refusal to make public more of his tax records makes him unfit to be a dogcatcher.
They do not, however, think that standard of transparency should apply to them. The two Democratic leaders of the Senate and the House of Representatives are among hundreds of senators and representatives from both parties who refused to release their tax records. Just 17 out of the 535 members of Congress released their most recent tax forms or provided some similar documentation of their tax liabilities in response to requests from McClatchy over the last three months. Another 19 replied that they wouldn't release the information, and the remainder never responded to the query.
Read more: http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/07/18/2914418/critics-wont-release-returns.html
Sorry, boys and girls but if we are going to call for financial transparency those rules should apply to everyone holding elected office. JMHO.
LTH
Enrique
(27,461 posts)DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)Members of congress provide comprehensive financial disclosure information annually.
elleng
(130,980 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)out those forms....even to get a clearance, you have to fill out questionnaires that are more intrusive than a colonoscopy.
http://www.opm.gov/Forms/pdf_fill/SF86.pdf
These are the questions on the short form SF 86. The long one is even worse.
Also, you can see Congresspeople's financial disclosure statements on the internet. You can't see RMoney's!
http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/index.php
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)McClatchy began this quest 3 months ago -- long before this issue with Romney surfaced. Here's the quote:
"What's required by law is written by Congress itself, a broad financial-disclosure statement that offers no direct information on tax liabilities and no requirement for reporting spousal income other than the source -- but not the amount -- of any income above $1,000. There's little way of knowing whether that spousal income is $1,001 or $1 million.
Only 17 members shared their detailed tax information with McClatchy.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)Ian David
(69,059 posts)elleng
(130,980 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)You're using a logical fallacy known as tu quoque.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)of what you claim.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)that this base issue is transparency. If they can't cover their OWN asses on this issue it opens them up to the obvious counter-charge of hypocrisy.
I think most Americana are sick and tired of these bastids profiting from their time in office to the expense of the U.S. taxpayer. These people are SUPPOSED to be representing US but I think even the most ardent partisan out there has got to admit that most legislation does NOT represent our best interests. Payola isn't new and it isn't a secret. Why try to assert that it is? My personal solution for this problem is to call for transparency and no elected official is exempt.
That's pretty much it.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)And they do so.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Psephos
(8,032 posts)Wow, you get my respect for holding to principal.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)friggin twit.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Not that it's a bad argument, but it won't rescue Mitt.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)If he was truly a fan of transparency, he would list the republicans from the list of those calling for his returns, as well.
It's a bad argument. They are not running for President. They are not in an election, and they are required to release their tax information as part of their position anyway. he is trying to equate a request for them from a private news corporation, to vetting for the presidency. Not the same thing... . they are not running for prez.
trumad
(41,692 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/why.php
elleng
(130,980 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)mac56
(17,572 posts)See what I did there?
Members have to do this every year.
eaglesfanintn
(82 posts)Should every judge, justice, cabinet member also release theirs? Guess I'd like to see where Sheriff Arpaio is getting his money from. But, I think there's been a precedent set when running for President and the least Mittens could do would be to release his previous 8 years as Obama did when he was running. That same precedent hasn't been set in Congressional races.
sinkingfeeling
(51,461 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)typical...and I'm not surprised at all.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)If you're not from Utah or San Fransisco, STFU.
MADem
(135,425 posts)UNLIKE RMoney's...!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)If you (and the rest of the wolf pack) would have actually read the article, it mentions that only 17 members of Congress complied with McClatchy's request.
And this is a message board. If you don't like my message there's always Ignore.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I do get to vote for the president. That is my business.
Romney apologists in the media are doing everything they can to distract attention and draw false equivalencies. They send their thanks.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE it states that McClatchy has been trying to obtain this information for three months . . . .long before the Romney issue.
lark
(23,123 posts)Running for congress is not the same as running for the most powerful office in the world - President of the United States. The std. for running for president is to release many years worth of returns, what's Mitt hiding and why are you trying to muddy the waters?
hughee99
(16,113 posts)release many years worth of returns, but that's not the current standard.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)As mentioned in multiple messages in this thread (maybe not earlier than your message). ALL members of Congress have to release their information and it is available online - see http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=171101
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Although certainly those in congress have provided more info than Rmoney has.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)And last time I checked, Pelosi and Reid aren't running for President.
Right wing garbage. And of those REPUBLICANS that are asking???? How many of THEM have responded to McClatchy's requests???
I wouldn't turn mine over, either, unless I was actively running for office. This is the usual BS.
Though the comments on the story are priceless!!
"fresno bee is a liberal rag."
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)the McClatchy Group which also includes the Sacramento Bee. The organization is not known to be either right or left. They have leftward-learning columnists and rightward-leaning columnists.
As for the comments, this is the type of story the right wing would salivate at as apparently it has some of the Third Way "liberals."
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Congress critters are CONSTANTLY monitoring each other for ANY sign of taking a bribe so they can clobber each other with it.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)annually.
But thanks for your "concern".
closeupready
(29,503 posts)musiclawyer
(2,335 posts)Fresno is like 75 latino and 1st second generation immigrant but they DO NOT VOTE. This is not a voter suppression state. They just don;t vote and thus get the represention they deserve.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)The area is dominated by right wing politicians, and business owners, as it has been for decades. you're right, the hispanics don't vote which actually creates a right wing area because of the predominance of republicans that control the County and cities there. I've lived within a few hours of Fresno for 20 years, and where I'm from is considering their playground. Summer and spring break is the only time you'll see Confederate flags on trucks in my area.
Wish the hispanics would vote.. could turn that area upside down.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)I've been here for 37 years and I've only seen one confederate flag. It's also interesting that when you spot a confederate flag you automatically assume the owner is from the Valley.
The reason Hispanics don't vote is that there is very little voter outreach by your own party. We're hicks, remember? Rednecks. Freepers. Uneducated hayseeds. If the Hispanics aren't voting I would think the Party Faithful would ask why that is.
Son of Gob
(1,502 posts)Thanks for exposing yourself though.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)at the moment.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)but they're making excuses for Romney not releases his tax returns. He has estimated 2011, and given an incomplete 2010. But the media seems to be fine with forcing someone to prove they are born in America, repeatedly? President Obama was probably the most-vetted person in history for the job, but they're protecting Romney for not divulging even the minimum info.
Wow...
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)ridiculous.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)False equivalency.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Somebody said that until all members of congress do it, you don't have to.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)high density
(13,397 posts)Kthx.