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Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:36 AM Jul 2012

Critics Won't Release Returns

Source: The Fresno Bee

Critics of Mitt Romney won't release own tax returns

By Kevin G. Hall and David Lightman - Bee Washington Bureau

Wednesday, Jul. 18, 2012 | 11:02 PM

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi was emphatic. Mitt Romney's refusal to release more than two years of his personal tax returns, she said, makes him unfit to win confirmation as a member of the president's Cabinet, let alone to hold the high office himself.

Sen. Harry Reid went farther: Romney's refusal to make public more of his tax records makes him unfit to be a dogcatcher.

They do not, however, think that standard of transparency should apply to them. The two Democratic leaders of the Senate and the House of Representatives are among hundreds of senators and representatives from both parties who refused to release their tax records. Just 17 out of the 535 members of Congress released their most recent tax forms or provided some similar documentation of their tax liabilities in response to requests from McClatchy over the last three months. Another 19 replied that they wouldn't release the information, and the remainder never responded to the query.



Read more: http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/07/18/2914418/critics-wont-release-returns.html



Sorry, boys and girls but if we are going to call for financial transparency those rules should apply to everyone holding elected office. JMHO.

LTH
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Critics Won't Release Returns (Original Post) Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 OP
so Mitt won't pick Pelosi for VP? Enrique Jul 2012 #1
This is drivel. DURHAM D Jul 2012 #2
Thanks. Correct. elleng Jul 2012 #18
Yes--and if you are in a "key and essential" position, even in the military, you are forced to fill MADem Jul 2012 #28
Actually, according to the article, they don't. Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #35
Are you a democrat? DURHAM D Jul 2012 #44
They are not running for President or Vice President. n/t Ian David Jul 2012 #3
Right. No analogy. elleng Jul 2012 #19
So just because others, of whatever party, are guilty of this means that it's okay? drm604 Jul 2012 #4
The poster appears to be arguing that they all should be releasing their returns the opposite PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #9
The Poster is saying Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #17
You seem unaware that members of Congress are required to release their financial info every year. kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #27
I answered that in Post 35 Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #36
Well said. Psephos Jul 2012 #47
I'm sorry, I didnt realize these two were in running for president or VP... Katashi_itto Jul 2012 #5
This argument won't save his ass either. bemildred Jul 2012 #6
especially because the partisan twit doesn't mention the Republicans who are calling for them.... progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #25
Really---Didn't think they were running for President? trumad Jul 2012 #7
They do release their sources of income, by law muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #8
Thanks for this detail. elleng Jul 2012 #20
. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #10
Un-MITT-igated BS. mac56 Jul 2012 #11
What about non-elected officials? eaglesfanintn Jul 2012 #12
Neither Pelosi nor Reid are running for president. sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #13
Do as I say...Not as I do... SoapBox Jul 2012 #14
wait.. what? They're not running for president. n/t progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #23
They're accountable to their voters. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #15
And their financial intimacies are available, for all to see, on the net. MADem Jul 2012 #29
Oooh! Aren't you just the badass! Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #38
I don't get to vote for either Reid or Pelosi. They are not really my business. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #45
One more time . . . Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #46
False equivalency lark Jul 2012 #16
I'd like to see the standard for all high ranking politicians be that they hughee99 Jul 2012 #21
It already is the standard for members of Congress csziggy Jul 2012 #33
Abbreviated financial disclosers aren't the same as full returns. hughee99 Jul 2012 #34
"Fresno Bee" enough said. Right wing rag in a right wing town. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #22
The Fresno Bee is part of Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #39
Does this guy REALLY expect people to believe this? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #24
What DURHAM D said: Members of congress provide comprehensive financial disclosure information kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #26
Oh, give me a fucking break. closeupready Jul 2012 #30
Fresno is not right wing, it's politicians and newspaper are musiclawyer Jul 2012 #31
In2004, they went 57% for Bush, but in 2008, 51% Obama. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #37
Intersting. Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #42
What a pathetic attempt to smear Democrats. Son of Gob Jul 2012 #32
Well, actually, I'm fully clothed Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #48
I just realized how inane it is that Obama has had to respond to people re: birth certificate progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #40
We should make them release their TRANSCRIPTS too!!!!! JoePhilly Jul 2012 #41
They aren't running for President. 6000eliot Jul 2012 #43
"Dear Mitt, Never mind that tax return thing, you are now off the hook." NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #49
All US Congress people should release tax returns (nt) bigwillq Jul 2012 #50
They are not running for President! liberal N proud Jul 2012 #51
Those people aren't running for Prez high density Jul 2012 #52

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. Yes--and if you are in a "key and essential" position, even in the military, you are forced to fill
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:04 PM
Jul 2012

out those forms....even to get a clearance, you have to fill out questionnaires that are more intrusive than a colonoscopy.

http://www.opm.gov/Forms/pdf_fill/SF86.pdf




These are the questions on the short form SF 86. The long one is even worse.


Also, you can see Congresspeople's financial disclosure statements on the internet. You can't see RMoney's!

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/index.php

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
35. Actually, according to the article, they don't.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:40 PM
Jul 2012

McClatchy began this quest 3 months ago -- long before this issue with Romney surfaced. Here's the quote:

"What's required by law is written by Congress itself, a broad financial-disclosure statement that offers no direct information on tax liabilities and no requirement for reporting spousal income other than the source -- but not the amount -- of any income above $1,000. There's little way of knowing whether that spousal income is $1,001 or $1 million.

Only 17 members shared their detailed tax information with McClatchy.



drm604

(16,230 posts)
4. So just because others, of whatever party, are guilty of this means that it's okay?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:43 AM
Jul 2012

You're using a logical fallacy known as tu quoque.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
9. The poster appears to be arguing that they all should be releasing their returns the opposite
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:46 AM
Jul 2012

of what you claim.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
17. The Poster is saying
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:30 AM
Jul 2012

that this base issue is transparency. If they can't cover their OWN asses on this issue it opens them up to the obvious counter-charge of hypocrisy.

I think most Americana are sick and tired of these bastids profiting from their time in office to the expense of the U.S. taxpayer. These people are SUPPOSED to be representing US but I think even the most ardent partisan out there has got to admit that most legislation does NOT represent our best interests. Payola isn't new and it isn't a secret. Why try to assert that it is? My personal solution for this problem is to call for transparency and no elected official is exempt.

That's pretty much it.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
27. You seem unaware that members of Congress are required to release their financial info every year.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:48 PM
Jul 2012

And they do so.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
25. especially because the partisan twit doesn't mention the Republicans who are calling for them....
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:01 PM
Jul 2012

If he was truly a fan of transparency, he would list the republicans from the list of those calling for his returns, as well.

It's a bad argument. They are not running for President. They are not in an election, and they are required to release their tax information as part of their position anyway. he is trying to equate a request for them from a private news corporation, to vetting for the presidency. Not the same thing... . they are not running for prez.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
8. They do release their sources of income, by law
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:45 AM
Jul 2012
By May 15 of each year, congressional members, key staffers and top officials in the executive branch must file forms covering the preceding calendar year that detail their personal finances. By law, they must list their assets and liabilities, their income (excluding their government salaries, oddly), asset transactions, gifts they received and more. They need not list property unless it produces income, meaning their primary residence is generally not listed. They must include the source of their spouse's income, but need not report the amount.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/why.php

eaglesfanintn

(82 posts)
12. What about non-elected officials?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:52 AM
Jul 2012

Should every judge, justice, cabinet member also release theirs? Guess I'd like to see where Sheriff Arpaio is getting his money from. But, I think there's been a precedent set when running for President and the least Mittens could do would be to release his previous 8 years as Obama did when he was running. That same precedent hasn't been set in Congressional races.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
38. Oooh! Aren't you just the badass!
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jul 2012

If you (and the rest of the wolf pack) would have actually read the article, it mentions that only 17 members of Congress complied with McClatchy's request.

And this is a message board. If you don't like my message there's always Ignore.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
45. I don't get to vote for either Reid or Pelosi. They are not really my business.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 05:44 PM
Jul 2012

I do get to vote for the president. That is my business.

Romney apologists in the media are doing everything they can to distract attention and draw false equivalencies. They send their thanks.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
46. One more time . . .
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 08:08 PM
Jul 2012

IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE it states that McClatchy has been trying to obtain this information for three months . . . .long before the Romney issue.

lark

(23,123 posts)
16. False equivalency
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:25 AM
Jul 2012

Running for congress is not the same as running for the most powerful office in the world - President of the United States. The std. for running for president is to release many years worth of returns, what's Mitt hiding and why are you trying to muddy the waters?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
21. I'd like to see the standard for all high ranking politicians be that they
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:44 PM
Jul 2012

release many years worth of returns, but that's not the current standard.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
33. It already is the standard for members of Congress
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:09 PM
Jul 2012

As mentioned in multiple messages in this thread (maybe not earlier than your message). ALL members of Congress have to release their information and it is available online - see http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=171101

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
34. Abbreviated financial disclosers aren't the same as full returns.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:36 PM
Jul 2012

Although certainly those in congress have provided more info than Rmoney has.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
22. "Fresno Bee" enough said. Right wing rag in a right wing town.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:58 PM
Jul 2012

And last time I checked, Pelosi and Reid aren't running for President.

Right wing garbage. And of those REPUBLICANS that are asking???? How many of THEM have responded to McClatchy's requests???

I wouldn't turn mine over, either, unless I was actively running for office. This is the usual BS.

Though the comments on the story are priceless!!
"fresno bee is a liberal rag."

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
39. The Fresno Bee is part of
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:47 PM
Jul 2012

the McClatchy Group which also includes the Sacramento Bee. The organization is not known to be either right or left. They have leftward-learning columnists and rightward-leaning columnists.

As for the comments, this is the type of story the right wing would salivate at as apparently it has some of the Third Way "liberals."

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
24. Does this guy REALLY expect people to believe this?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:00 PM
Jul 2012

Congress critters are CONSTANTLY monitoring each other for ANY sign of taking a bribe so they can clobber each other with it.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
26. What DURHAM D said: Members of congress provide comprehensive financial disclosure information
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:45 PM
Jul 2012

annually.

But thanks for your "concern".

musiclawyer

(2,335 posts)
31. Fresno is not right wing, it's politicians and newspaper are
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:17 PM
Jul 2012

Fresno is like 75 latino and 1st second generation immigrant but they DO NOT VOTE. This is not a voter suppression state. They just don;t vote and thus get the represention they deserve.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
37. In2004, they went 57% for Bush, but in 2008, 51% Obama.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:42 PM
Jul 2012

The area is dominated by right wing politicians, and business owners, as it has been for decades. you're right, the hispanics don't vote which actually creates a right wing area because of the predominance of republicans that control the County and cities there. I've lived within a few hours of Fresno for 20 years, and where I'm from is considering their playground. Summer and spring break is the only time you'll see Confederate flags on trucks in my area.

Wish the hispanics would vote.. could turn that area upside down.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
42. Intersting.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:50 PM
Jul 2012

I've been here for 37 years and I've only seen one confederate flag. It's also interesting that when you spot a confederate flag you automatically assume the owner is from the Valley.

The reason Hispanics don't vote is that there is very little voter outreach by your own party. We're hicks, remember? Rednecks. Freepers. Uneducated hayseeds. If the Hispanics aren't voting I would think the Party Faithful would ask why that is.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
40. I just realized how inane it is that Obama has had to respond to people re: birth certificate
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jul 2012

but they're making excuses for Romney not releases his tax returns. He has estimated 2011, and given an incomplete 2010. But the media seems to be fine with forcing someone to prove they are born in America, repeatedly? President Obama was probably the most-vetted person in history for the job, but they're protecting Romney for not divulging even the minimum info.

Wow...

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
49. "Dear Mitt, Never mind that tax return thing, you are now off the hook."
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:55 AM
Jul 2012

Somebody said that until all members of congress do it, you don't have to.

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