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Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:10 AM Mar 2017

Great Lakes restoration would be gutted in early White House plan

Source: Detroit Free Press

WASHINGTON — With reports swirling that President Donald Trump intends sharp cutbacks at the Environmental Protection Agency, the Free Press has learned that a drastic reduction may be under consideration for Great Lakes restoration efforts, which in the past have received bipartisan support.

The National Association of Clean Air Agencies confirmed for the Free Press late Thursday that an initial proposal from the White House Office of Management and Budget calls for the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative to be cut from $300 million a year to about $10 million.

The cut was first reported by Rob Davis, a reporter for the Oregonian, who tweeted a list of potential cuts — none of which have been finalized. Bill Becker, executive director of the Association of Clean Air Agencies, which includes the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality as a member, was unable to release the proposal but confirmed the figures. He said they could be appealed by the EPA before a budget request is finalized and presented to Congress, which is expected to happen this month. . .


Read more: http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2017/03/02/great-lakes-restoration-gets-drastic-cuts-early-white-house-proposal/98659286/



Swell. Why should we protect the world's largest single repository of fresh water, after all?

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Great Lakes restoration would be gutted in early White House plan (Original Post) Faygo Kid Mar 2017 OP
Not just bipartisan support, but BINATIONAL support. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #1
If the Asian carp removal program goes, Mendocino Mar 2017 #2
Superior with its colder waters and greater depth will fare better. Submariner Mar 2017 #7
There are a number of reasons Mendocino Mar 2017 #25
I guess that nothing will be done about Pipe Line #5. safeinOhio Mar 2017 #3
Remember the July 2010 Kalamazoo River oil spill. Mendocino Mar 2017 #28
Enbridge, same company safeinOhio Mar 2017 #29
Heartbreakingly sad. eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #4
World's largest cess pools pfitz59 Mar 2017 #5
Ha! That green is the world's best walleye fishery, not a "cesspool" Kolesar Mar 2017 #10
In my 1960's childhood we got sick swimming Lake Ontario water and dead fish covered shorelines wishstar Mar 2017 #13
That's what Michigan Trump voters want, that's what they get....Fuck Them Submariner Mar 2017 #6
No shit. dalton99a Mar 2017 #19
Yes, let's just pollute all our drinking water mdbl Mar 2017 #8
White House EPA budget proposal cuts climate protection program 70 percent to $29 million riversedge Mar 2017 #9
tRump wants countries to pay their fair share. Leave that project alone. Pay up, Trump. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #11
I lived in Ohio in the 1960's as a teenager and we weren't allowed to swim in Lake Erie. Vinca Mar 2017 #12
I posted above about Lake Ontario's contaminated water and dead fish-people forget the past wishstar Mar 2017 #14
That was my experience exactly. Vinca Mar 2017 #15
Yup. Blackjackdavey Mar 2017 #18
Ditto Lake Michigan some years with the dead alewives karynnj Mar 2017 #21
I grew up in Milwaukee... the stench from the dead alewives was overpowering. n/t Still In Wisconsin Mar 2017 #22
The people getting rich from it can afford to move away IronLionZion Mar 2017 #23
This is insane Botany Mar 2017 #16
These are just some evil fucking people Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #17
"The cut was first reported by Rob Davis, a reporter for the Oregonian,..." mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2017 #20
Also wants to slash Chesapeake Bay cleanup funds by 90% alarimer Mar 2017 #24
"Pure" Michigan no more Freethinker65 Mar 2017 #26
There will just enough in this budget, Mendocino Mar 2017 #27
Now when the Asian carp take safeinOhio Mar 2017 #30

Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
2. If the Asian carp removal program goes,
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 02:01 AM
Mar 2017

the four lower lakes especially Erie will become muddy carp wallows. Superior with its colder waters and greater depth will fare better.

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
7. Superior with its colder waters and greater depth will fare better.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 07:33 AM
Mar 2017

Sadly, only for a little time longer than the other lakes. The carp would eat slower, metabolize slower, and grow slower, but they will overcome and wipe out everything in all the lakes.

Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
25. There are a number of reasons
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:33 PM
Mar 2017

that Asian carp will not likely become established in Lake Superior(LS).

They spawn in slow long warm (about 64 f and above) rivers, the eggs then drift down into the lakes. The Superior basin lacks that type of spawning habitat.

LS also lacks shallow and warm habitat that the carp need to live in when not spawning.

They food primarily on phytoplankton. LS is deficient in that regard, deep cold fresh waters are low fertility. The food supply in the open waters is deficient.

They slow their feeding as water temps drop and stop altogether below about 36 f. The average temperature of LS even in the Summer is 45 f.






Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
28. Remember the July 2010 Kalamazoo River oil spill.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:13 PM
Mar 2017

Somewhere between 880,000 and a 1,000,000 gallons of heavy tar oil from Canada were released into the river. To date it has cost almost $1.5 billion to clean up and problems remain. A spill in the Mackinac Straits would a disaster of epic proportions.

pfitz59

(10,381 posts)
5. World's largest cess pools
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 05:12 AM
Mar 2017

They'll all look like Erie soon. The green in the picture is NOT a healthy color...

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
10. Ha! That green is the world's best walleye fishery, not a "cesspool"
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:07 AM
Mar 2017

It is green because the western basin is shallow. It is warm and the preserved wetlands to the south of the complete the food and breeding cycles of the species.

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
13. In my 1960's childhood we got sick swimming Lake Ontario water and dead fish covered shorelines
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:54 AM
Mar 2017

Environmental regs helped tremendously to cleanup the great lakes since I grew up there

For anyone who doubts there are serious environmental problems:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/toxic-algae-in-lake-erie-what-you-need-to-know/

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
6. That's what Michigan Trump voters want, that's what they get....Fuck Them
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 07:30 AM
Mar 2017

Now it's up to the Michigan non-Trump voters to kick the shit out of their Trumpkin neighbors.

Hope y'all enjoy the republican sponsored release of Asian Carp into the lakes to fuck them up FOREVER assholes!

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
9. White House EPA budget proposal cuts climate protection program 70 percent to $29 million
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 07:41 AM
Mar 2017

And more of Trumps Path of Destruction of the USA!




Reuters Top News?Verified account @Reuters

JUST IN: White House EPA budget proposal cuts climate protection program 70 percent to $29 million - source



Vinca

(50,279 posts)
12. I lived in Ohio in the 1960's as a teenager and we weren't allowed to swim in Lake Erie.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:46 AM
Mar 2017

Too many dead fish. And, of course, there was the famous Cuyahoga River fire. I don't understand why the cash benefit of discontinuing regulations trumps (pun intended) clean water and clean air. You can't breath money.

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
14. I posted above about Lake Ontario's contaminated water and dead fish-people forget the past
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 09:05 AM
Mar 2017

I moved away, but came back in 80's,90's and 2000's and each time I walked the shores of Lake Ontario feeling thankful for fresh air, clean shorelines with no dead fish, and clarity of water

Most Repubs take for granted the improvements in air and water quality due to environmental regs. that they are determined to abolish or not enforce

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
15. That was my experience exactly.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 09:09 AM
Mar 2017

I remember going on family picnics to the shores of Lake Erie and not being allowed to get even a big toe wet.

Blackjackdavey

(178 posts)
18. Yup.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:06 AM
Mar 2017

We used to dash through the Lake Ontario surf line littered with carcasses to reach the water. Good Times. One of my earliest childhood memories.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
21. Ditto Lake Michigan some years with the dead alewives
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:52 AM
Mar 2017

I don't know if this was the whole lake, but it affected the near Chicago beaches and those near NW Indiana - in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Like the nightmarish pictures of teh Cuyahoga river, they were part of the impetus of the environmental movement that led to earth day.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
23. The people getting rich from it can afford to move away
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 11:05 AM
Mar 2017

the ones left behind will be stuck in a failed economy with polluted water and sick children and blame immigrants.

I am so disappointed in my home state (PA) and the others who cut off their nose to spite their face.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
17. These are just some evil fucking people
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 09:33 AM
Mar 2017


At least the "Hillary would have been just as bad" -DUers have mercifully vanished...

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
24. Also wants to slash Chesapeake Bay cleanup funds by 90%
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 11:33 AM
Mar 2017

Goodbye to oysters. Say hello to more fish consumption bans.

Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)
26. "Pure" Michigan no more
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:51 PM
Mar 2017

This is heartbreaking. I have spent most of my life near the Great Lakes. The fresh water contained in the Great Lakes is an invaluable resource. Almost surprised they did not propose privatizing the lakes...but then Canada would have something to say about that.

Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
27. There will just enough in this budget,
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:31 PM
Mar 2017

to pay for all the beach closed signs.

But this puke will spend $20 billion+ for a useless wall.

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