White House Budget Director: 'Insurance Is Not Really The End Goal Here'
Source: Talking Points Memo
By MATT SHUHAM Published MARCH 8, 2017, 10:25 AM EDT
The director of the Office of Management and Budget said Wednesday that Republicans wouldn't use insurance coverage numbers as the ultimate metric for the success of the proposal to replace Obamacare.
On MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Mark Halperin asked Mick Mulvaney, President Donald Trumps OMB director, for a range of estimate of how many fewer people will have health insurance under House Republicans proposed Replacement for Obamacare.
Were looking at it in a different way, Mark, because insurance is not really the end goal here, is it? Mulvaney responded. It's one of the conservatives' one of the Republicans' complaints about the Affordable Care Act from the very beginning: It was a great way to get insurance and a lousy way to actually be able to go to the doctor."
So were choosing instead to look at what we think is more important to ordinary people: Can they afford to go to the doctor? And we are convinced it will be possible for more people to get better care at the doctor under this this plan than it was under Obamacare.
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metroins
(2,550 posts)You'd see more insurers in the markets.
But Congress made them be revenue neutral in 2015.
No carrier is going to insure the sick without the payments they were expecting.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,516 posts)the original Affordable Care Act.
Note, please, that I am calling it by its real name.
yardwork
(61,670 posts)Right now, access to health care in the US is via insurance. That's our system. It's stupid but it's what we have.
The ACA was a step in the right direction.
The Republican plan is worse than the ACA. We're going in the wrong direction.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,013 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)or to me more specific, Don'Tcare
Yavin4
(35,443 posts)Last year, I had a routine colonoscopy, something I've put off for years, but my doctor scolded me to do since my mother died of colon cancer.
The colonoscopy cost over $3600. I had to pay $400 of it. That was just the exam. Thank God my test was okay.
hibbing
(10,099 posts)Everyone just takes all that money they have sitting around and puts it into a tax free health savings account and you just pay when you need healthcare, it is so simple.
I'm glad your screening was okay, had my first one a few years ago.
Peace
Yavin4
(35,443 posts)Knocked me completely out. When I woke up, I realized why Michael Jackson was addicted to it.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)Playbook. How can we steal more from the 99%? There's still ss and Medicare. No wonder the is stock market is crazy. They have trying a long time to get their grubby, greedy hands on this money.
more money for the rich, and then it will trickle down onto the poor... just like it did in the 1920s, 1980s and 2000s.
Yavin4
(35,443 posts)The rich Southerners used trickle down on the poor Southerners to get them to fight and die for the preservation of slave labor.
and, 150 years later, a lot of those poor southern states are still poor - Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi. States like North Carolina, Georgia and Virginia have gotten wealthier, but NC has some outstanding universities, Virginia has proximity to Washington DC and Georgia has the metropolis of Atlanta, so it's not trickle down that caused the increase in wealth.
Yavin4
(35,443 posts)Even in red states, the immediate surrounding area of a high quality university tend to be Blue like Austin, TX.
Madison, Wisconsin... South Bend, Indiana... Lawrence, Kansas
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)to not having insurance and not having a hope in hell of paying the doctor!
Is "the different way of looking at it" counting dead bodies?
briv1016
(1,570 posts)Unless of course they try to do what they did with the original ACA repeal bill and prevent the CBO from releasing ANY report.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)your office is to compare apples to oranges, and what you have done is to make talking points on hurting people your a f**ing hypocrite.
Compare the ACA to your Ayn Rand follower Paul Ryan , you know the "guy" that likes to stay up night and figure out how to "hurt" people at other peoples expense to make them and you and the CEO's of worthless heath care providers rich
Compare the actuarial costs of Medicare to any health insurance and MEDICARE wins every time ass**** every time, that's what you should be doing, doctors cannot deny access if you have MEDICARE, that is FACT
And then you said this:
Were looking at it in a different way, Mark, because insurance is not really the end goal here, is it? Mulvaney responded. It's one of the conservatives' one of the Republicans' complaints about the Affordable Care Act from the very beginning: It was a great way to get insurance and a lousy way to actually be able to go to the doctor."
What is the end goal, ass**** do you really know except to take away human beings health care, your nothing more than yes man, nothing more
Nitram
(22,825 posts)More people will be able to afford to go to the doctor with this plan than under the ACA? Bullshit. Millions of "ordinary people" can't afford to go to the doctor without affordable health insurance.
area51
(11,913 posts)Of course, because the republinazi goal is to kill people.
Tanuki
(14,919 posts)or evidence-based research in healthcare delivery. This was purely ideological and not at all driven by consideration of the needs of patients, providers, hospitals, or health care delivery systems. So sick of the lies from every quarter of the Trump Misadministration.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Can I get a high five? Sorry Americans have answered the clue phone.
elleng
(131,006 posts)Single Payer, anyone?
Medicare for ALL!
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)The man in the silk suit hurries by, as he catches the poor old lady's eye, just for fun he says "Get a job" - Bruce Hornsby
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)that explicitly makes health care more expensive. Lying scumbag.
aggiesal
(8,919 posts)They might have better care, but can they afford it.
He can't answer that question.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)of the gop is the same as usual. Tax breaks for the wealthy, so donations to the politicians increase. We should fight for universal health care, just as other countries have. If this plan is so "good" why don't THEY sign on it themselves, and give up their taxpayer funded cadillac insurance???
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)Nitram
(22,825 posts)they don't even realize that this is something you're not supposed to say out loud.
But they also know their supporters don't understand or don't give a damn, as long as poor people do not get health insurance and the rich get a tax break, all is well.
itcfish
(1,828 posts)Sherlock!
Initech
(100,087 posts)get the red out
(13,467 posts)Just bullshit. Republicans are monsters.
Turbineguy
(37,355 posts)how about lifespan or changes in the funeral service sector?
cilla4progress
(24,746 posts)Respond to the question of whether less people will have insurance under the GOP plan something like" tough shit"? It was on Jake Tapper's show I think, Thursday or Friday
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)If 3 can see through this sh*t..and be honest, that this Trumpcare Sh*t will hurt millions of people, and take their insurance away, and ..kill many and prevent needed preventive care then this is all for nothing...
Keep in mind, killing our citizens is not the goal of the Constitution. Or the founding fathers..but that is what this will do....
Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)It isn't just a set of rules for insurance companies. It included funding for expanding Medicaid and for shoring up Medicare. Soon they will declare Medicare is an unsustainable disaster and must be converted to coupons for the elderly poor.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)The bill is much an attack on Medicare and Medicaid as on Obamacare, because Obamacare contained new taxes that strengthened both of the older programs.
Grins
(7,218 posts)Protecting insurance companies WAS the objective of the Heritage Foundation back in 1989 when they came up with concept of the individual mandate - a mandate that you HAD to BUY insurance.
Insurance companies loved it! And conservatives, big recipients of insurance company donations - fell in line and also loved it! Until a smooth-taking black man with a Muslim name was handed the keys to the Very-Very-White-House-Where-Ronald-Reagan-Used-To-Live. And then it became worse than six Hitlers! Worse than book readin'!!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)What he's saying is that of course people will be kicked off of insurance. HOW, then, can they get CARE? He didn't answer that.
Does anyone in the W.H. tell the truth? ANYONE?