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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:08 PM Mar 2017

White House Budget Director: 'Insurance Is Not Really The End Goal Here'

Source: Talking Points Memo


By MATT SHUHAM Published MARCH 8, 2017, 10:25 AM EDT

The director of the Office of Management and Budget said Wednesday that Republicans wouldn't use insurance coverage numbers as the ultimate metric for the success of the proposal to replace Obamacare.

On MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Mark Halperin asked Mick Mulvaney, President Donald Trump’s OMB director, for a “range of estimate of how many fewer people will have health insurance” under House Republicans’ proposed Replacement for Obamacare.

“We’re looking at it in a different way, Mark, because insurance is not really the end goal here, is it?” Mulvaney responded. “It's one of the conservatives' – one of the Republicans' complaints about the Affordable Care Act from the very beginning: It was a great way to get insurance and a lousy way to actually be able to go to the doctor."

“So we’re choosing instead to look at what we think is more important to ordinary people: Can they afford to go to the doctor? And we are convinced it will be possible for more people to get better care at the doctor under this this plan than it was under Obamacare.”

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White House Budget Director: 'Insurance Is Not Really The End Goal Here' (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2017 OP
If the risk corridors had been funded metroins Mar 2017 #1
He's right. The goal is not health insurance. It's health care. It was a complaint I had about mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2017 #2
The Republican proposal does nothing to improve access. yardwork Mar 2017 #6
It's not health care. It's DonTcare. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #7
"DonTcare" brilliant. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #18
How are you going to pay your healthcare provider? With chickens? Yavin4 Mar 2017 #27
Health Savings Account of course! hibbing Mar 2017 #33
First time I had anesthesia Yavin4 Mar 2017 #34
I think their only metric is how much it costs their donors in taxes yurbud Mar 2017 #35
The end goal is to take all the credits from the poor and give it to the super rich. Typical rep notdarkyet Mar 2017 #3
Yes NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #22
Also look at the Antebellum South Yavin4 Mar 2017 #28
Yes NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #29
Ever notice that states with high quality higher educational institutions tend to be Blue? Yavin4 Mar 2017 #31
True NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #32
So we move from having insurance and not being able to pay the doctor... yallerdawg Mar 2017 #4
They're trying to get out ahead of what they know will be a devistating CBO report. briv1016 Mar 2017 #5
Hey Mulvaney your full of BS turbinetree Mar 2017 #8
Gobbledygook! Nitram Mar 2017 #9
"We're looking at it in a different way, Mark...." area51 Mar 2017 #10
He's lying. They did not consult experts in public health Tanuki Mar 2017 #11
No shit Corgigal Mar 2017 #12
' It was a great way to get insurance and a lousy way to actually be able to go to the doctor.' True elleng Mar 2017 #13
If deadbeats just paid their medical bills everything would be fine. DefenseLawyer Mar 2017 #14
The don't float a plan Bradical79 Mar 2017 #15
His statement ... aggiesal Mar 2017 #16
The goal Scarsdale Mar 2017 #17
Your funeral in the near future is the end goal here. milestogo Mar 2017 #19
"ordinary people" does not include the poor Skittles Mar 2017 #20
the really creeepy part is that right wingers like this are so embedded in their bubble that... Nitram Mar 2017 #21
They Know itcfish Mar 2017 #24
No S__t itcfish Mar 2017 #23
The end goal is that the rich aren't getting rich enough. Initech Mar 2017 #25
Bullshit get the red out Mar 2017 #26
If not that Turbineguy Mar 2017 #30
Did anyone else hear congressman Steve King cilla4progress Mar 2017 #36
3.... Just 3 Republican Senators will determine the end of this sh*t.. Stuart G Mar 2017 #37
Single payer will do that nicely. Just sayin' n.t Ms. Toad Mar 2017 #38
That's why they opposed this bill -- because it is an attack on MEDICARE and MEDICAID, too. pnwmom Mar 2017 #40
The goal is the end of Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and the rest of the "nanny state." pnwmom Mar 2017 #39
Bullshit. Insurance WAS THE GOAL from day 1! Grins Mar 2017 #41
That's such BS. Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #42

metroins

(2,550 posts)
1. If the risk corridors had been funded
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:11 PM
Mar 2017

You'd see more insurers in the markets.

But Congress made them be revenue neutral in 2015.

No carrier is going to insure the sick without the payments they were expecting.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,516 posts)
2. He's right. The goal is not health insurance. It's health care. It was a complaint I had about
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:24 PM
Mar 2017

the original Affordable Care Act.

Note, please, that I am calling it by its real name.

yardwork

(61,670 posts)
6. The Republican proposal does nothing to improve access.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:58 PM
Mar 2017

Right now, access to health care in the US is via insurance. That's our system. It's stupid but it's what we have.

The ACA was a step in the right direction.

The Republican plan is worse than the ACA. We're going in the wrong direction.

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
27. How are you going to pay your healthcare provider? With chickens?
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 11:26 AM
Mar 2017

Last year, I had a routine colonoscopy, something I've put off for years, but my doctor scolded me to do since my mother died of colon cancer.

The colonoscopy cost over $3600. I had to pay $400 of it. That was just the exam. Thank God my test was okay.

hibbing

(10,099 posts)
33. Health Savings Account of course!
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 02:36 PM
Mar 2017

Everyone just takes all that money they have sitting around and puts it into a tax free health savings account and you just pay when you need healthcare, it is so simple.


I'm glad your screening was okay, had my first one a few years ago.

Peace

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
34. First time I had anesthesia
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 04:30 PM
Mar 2017

Knocked me completely out. When I woke up, I realized why Michael Jackson was addicted to it.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
3. The end goal is to take all the credits from the poor and give it to the super rich. Typical rep
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:25 PM
Mar 2017

Playbook. How can we steal more from the 99%? There's still ss and Medicare. No wonder the is stock market is crazy. They have trying a long time to get their grubby, greedy hands on this money.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
22. Yes
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 09:50 AM
Mar 2017

more money for the rich, and then it will trickle down onto the poor... just like it did in the 1920s, 1980s and 2000s.

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
28. Also look at the Antebellum South
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 11:28 AM
Mar 2017

The rich Southerners used trickle down on the poor Southerners to get them to fight and die for the preservation of slave labor.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
29. Yes
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 11:36 AM
Mar 2017

and, 150 years later, a lot of those poor southern states are still poor - Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi. States like North Carolina, Georgia and Virginia have gotten wealthier, but NC has some outstanding universities, Virginia has proximity to Washington DC and Georgia has the metropolis of Atlanta, so it's not trickle down that caused the increase in wealth.

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
31. Ever notice that states with high quality higher educational institutions tend to be Blue?
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 12:46 PM
Mar 2017

Even in red states, the immediate surrounding area of a high quality university tend to be Blue like Austin, TX.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
4. So we move from having insurance and not being able to pay the doctor...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:25 PM
Mar 2017

to not having insurance and not having a hope in hell of paying the doctor!

Is "the different way of looking at it" counting dead bodies?

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
5. They're trying to get out ahead of what they know will be a devistating CBO report.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:54 PM
Mar 2017

Unless of course they try to do what they did with the original ACA repeal bill and prevent the CBO from releasing ANY report.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
8. Hey Mulvaney your full of BS
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 02:35 PM
Mar 2017

your office is to compare apples to oranges, and what you have done is to make talking points on hurting people your a f**ing hypocrite.

Compare the ACA to your Ayn Rand follower Paul Ryan , you know the "guy" that likes to stay up night and figure out how to "hurt" people at other peoples expense to make them and you and the CEO's of worthless heath care providers rich

Compare the actuarial costs of Medicare to any health insurance and MEDICARE wins every time ass**** every time, that's what you should be doing, doctors cannot deny access if you have MEDICARE, that is FACT


And then you said this:


“We’re looking at it in a different way, Mark, because insurance is not really the end goal here, is it?” Mulvaney responded. “It's one of the conservatives' – one of the Republicans' complaints about the Affordable Care Act from the very beginning: It was a great way to get insurance and a lousy way to actually be able to go to the doctor."


What is the end goal, ass**** do you really know except to take away human beings health care, your nothing more than yes man, nothing more




Nitram

(22,825 posts)
9. Gobbledygook!
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 02:52 PM
Mar 2017

More people will be able to afford to go to the doctor with this plan than under the ACA? Bullshit. Millions of "ordinary people" can't afford to go to the doctor without affordable health insurance.

area51

(11,913 posts)
10. "We're looking at it in a different way, Mark...."
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 02:58 PM
Mar 2017

Of course, because the republinazi goal is to kill people.

Tanuki

(14,919 posts)
11. He's lying. They did not consult experts in public health
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:12 PM
Mar 2017

or evidence-based research in healthcare delivery. This was purely ideological and not at all driven by consideration of the needs of patients, providers, hospitals, or health care delivery systems. So sick of the lies from every quarter of the Trump Misadministration.

elleng

(131,006 posts)
13. ' It was a great way to get insurance and a lousy way to actually be able to go to the doctor.' True
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:53 PM
Mar 2017

Single Payer, anyone?

Medicare for ALL!

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
14. If deadbeats just paid their medical bills everything would be fine.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:55 PM
Mar 2017

The man in the silk suit hurries by, as he catches the poor old lady's eye, just for fun he says "Get a job" - Bruce Hornsby

aggiesal

(8,919 posts)
16. His statement ...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 05:15 PM
Mar 2017
Can they afford to go to the doctor? And we are convinced it will be possible for more people to get better care at the doctor under this this plan than it was under Obamacare.


They might have better care, but can they afford it.
He can't answer that question.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
17. The goal
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 01:29 PM
Mar 2017

of the gop is the same as usual. Tax breaks for the wealthy, so donations to the politicians increase. We should fight for universal health care, just as other countries have. If this plan is so "good" why don't THEY sign on it themselves, and give up their taxpayer funded cadillac insurance???

Nitram

(22,825 posts)
21. the really creeepy part is that right wingers like this are so embedded in their bubble that...
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 09:21 AM
Mar 2017

they don't even realize that this is something you're not supposed to say out loud.

itcfish

(1,828 posts)
24. They Know
Fri Mar 10, 2017, 10:37 AM
Mar 2017

But they also know their supporters don't understand or don't give a damn, as long as poor people do not get health insurance and the rich get a tax break, all is well.

cilla4progress

(24,746 posts)
36. Did anyone else hear congressman Steve King
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 06:29 AM
Mar 2017

Respond to the question of whether less people will have insurance under the GOP plan something like" tough shit"? It was on Jake Tapper's show I think, Thursday or Friday

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
37. 3.... Just 3 Republican Senators will determine the end of this sh*t..
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 07:13 AM
Mar 2017

If 3 can see through this sh*t..and be honest, that this Trumpcare Sh*t will hurt millions of people, and take their insurance away, and ..kill many and prevent needed preventive care then this is all for nothing...

Keep in mind, killing our citizens is not the goal of the Constitution. Or the founding fathers..but that is what this will do....

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
40. That's why they opposed this bill -- because it is an attack on MEDICARE and MEDICAID, too.
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 12:44 PM
Mar 2017

It isn't just a set of rules for insurance companies. It included funding for expanding Medicaid and for shoring up Medicare. Soon they will declare Medicare is an unsustainable disaster and must be converted to coupons for the elderly poor.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
39. The goal is the end of Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and the rest of the "nanny state."
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 12:42 PM
Mar 2017

The bill is much an attack on Medicare and Medicaid as on Obamacare, because Obamacare contained new taxes that strengthened both of the older programs.

Grins

(7,218 posts)
41. Bullshit. Insurance WAS THE GOAL from day 1!
Sun Mar 12, 2017, 01:43 PM
Mar 2017

Protecting insurance companies WAS the objective of the Heritage Foundation back in 1989 when they came up with concept of the individual mandate - a mandate that you HAD to BUY insurance.

Insurance companies loved it! And conservatives, big recipients of insurance company donations - fell in line and also loved it! Until a smooth-taking black man with a Muslim name was handed the keys to the Very-Very-White-House-Where-Ronald-Reagan-Used-To-Live. And then it became worse than six Hitlers! Worse than book readin'!!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
42. That's such BS.
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 01:13 AM
Mar 2017

What he's saying is that of course people will be kicked off of insurance. HOW, then, can they get CARE? He didn't answer that.

Does anyone in the W.H. tell the truth? ANYONE?

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