BTW The level of hate for absolutely no good reason they have for
Hillary Clinton is mind numbing. If you try to talk them sooner or
later they will bring up Benghazi or emails or The Clinton Foundation.

Their brains have been rotted by Rush, Fox, and over the past few year
Russian produced anti Hillary stuff spread on social media.

Unfortunately the rest of us will suffer too. I have ZERO sympathy for these people.

And they want to get rid of Obamacare!

Idiots.

was the he had just had enough of those Clintons.

...couldn't find Libya on a map if their sorry lives depended on it.

The working class bought the Repukian propaganda that unions were their enemy and that management would take good care of the them. They sure did. They cancelled their healthcare and pensions and outsourced their jobs. When these fascists are done, they will be lucky they can get a job cleansing toilets, their wives taking in laundry and their kids begging on the corner. Let them get sick and they will be bankrupt. Hard to feel much sympathy for them.

The propaganda that has been pushed on those people has been massive.

Their pastors, their TV machines, phony stories that get built from nothing into
something, the evil liberals closing down their coal mines, and yes outright
racism and stupidity comes into play too. I wonder just how big the "Russian
work" was in getting them so worked up about liberals and Hillary.

If you watch basic cable a right wing agenda has been and is still being pushed.
No doubt about.

building and selling cars ....... "that paint really makes the colors pop."

guns

the pawn shop creeps from Los Vagas

Duck Dynasty

right wing pastors by the truckload

good old All American Football and the military

Fox News

killing gators in the swamp

ripping the shit out of the land in Alaska and Canada to get gold

JAHHHHHH Bezussss!

I would put the freedom of the press as paramount. A key to the present situation was the repeal of the right to demand equal time to respond to outright lies that are spread concerning your important points. The airways are supposed to belong to the citizens and are supposed to have justify their value to the citizens. The Republicans, just as every authoritarian regime, realized it is imperative for control and manipulation of the masses. This is especially effective when it is directed to the low information and educated segments.

Look @ the non stop nonsense about Hillary's "crimes" and then "the mouth
breathers" will chant in unison lock her up, or Obama's phony birth certificate,
or making fun of John Kerry's purple hearts or Al Gore's work on the environment.

The goebbles "big lie" process is well used by the right.

Back in the day I spent a lot time looking at some of the problems that come from
coal and Trump's letting the coal companies dump their waste water right into the
streams will no doubt kill and or hurt people ... the acid/rust/heavy metal run off will kill much
of the vegetation along the water ways .... and so when we get a heavy thunderstorm(s)
the flooding will be much greater and people might get killed and homes, farms, roads,
bridges and business will get washed away. (But not one more coal job will come back)

One only has to reflect on the situation of the working class prior to the Roosevelt's progressive legislation, especially in his repealing the laws restricting unionization to realize its importance. The Middle Class was extremely restrictive if non-existent until unions. Good paying jobs created a society in which the working class could, most importantly, could provide their children with a path to a more prosperous future. Compare that to today in which the average child will have a very difficult time improving over the lot of their parents. The consequence is the disappearance of the Middle Class. As Aristotle observed in his work "Politics" that the best form of government is a Democracy, however, it is solely dependent on a healthy thriving Middle Class. Unions not only provided a higher standard to living but provided the working class with a voice in the government through representatives that truly represented their interest. The significance of their impact was not lost on the Republicans who have continuously labored to destroy them. It is a given fact that Unions were the primary reason for the Big Change that took place in the ensuing decades until their destruction. As they lost importance there wasn't a voice in the Halls of Congress to oppose the massive outsourcing of jobs that has taken place along with a host of anti-Middle Class legislation. Yes, I realize that other factors are important, such as robotics, that have resulted in less labor effort.

Another factor that was just as important was the GI Bill that opened up higher education that was virtually closed to the working class. Coupled with a more prosperous working class the expansion of higher education during the 1950's and 1960's was phenomenal as vets and their kids flooded the university scene. Are we going to allow higher education to become only available to the wealthy as it was during the period of the virtual enslavement of the working class? Is unionization the only answer, no, but I fail to see any more effective method for the any hope for the working class.

I could have told you that.

I know some of these morons personally.

associations outside of 'white' ----- talk radio

have always found refuge among the ignorant and uneducated.

While just 13 percent of black voters supported Trump, the lowest approval of any demographic accounted for in Tuesday’s poll, a majority of white men approved of the president, with 60 percent of support among the voting group also most likely to support Trump during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Let's be honest, the black voters aren't off the hook on this.

Maybe they didn't go and vote for Trump. But they also didn't make much effort to vote for Hillary either.
Not voting for Hillary was a passive vote for Trump. How many black people realize this now?
They could have made a difference in this election if they hadn't stayed home.

Black voters had a stake in this election, and shame on the Democratic Party for not making it clear to them.

Compare the number of black voters for Gore or Kerry to the number of black voters for Hillary. I'm sure they are as good or better.

Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.

Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
“The GOP’s Stealth War on Voters,” 8/24/2016.

Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

no answer, huh....figures...

.... big # of AAs decided not to vote in the general election?

black americans were a HUGE reason the terrible triumvirate rules now......always the AA. From someone here. If all AA had voted for trumpchump, IF they weren't denied the right to vote by RW districts, gerrymandered to favor the Reichwing vote, if 60+ millions of ignorant, stupid people hadn't voted for trump maybe we could have won. Your number of 13% of AA voting for trump is FLAWED and an exaggeration to prove your flawed logic. Get real. Won't, doesn't work....diversion is always a tool of people who can't face the truth about themselves and others.

haven't heard of all the vote suppression that took place and was directed towards black people.

Either that or you're aware of it but ignored it to try to to take a shot at black people.

Which again, is dead wrong.

No other ethnic group came even close to supporting Hillary than AAs.

Place the blame where it belongs. 70 some percent of under ecucated white men voted for trump.

Stop avoiding the obvious by trying to shift blame to people who supported Clinton the most.

The black voters in PA showed up to vote for Obama. PA went blue for both of Obama's elections.

Why did PA go red this time?
As many of you remember, PA was basically the final straw for Hillary.
One thing I noticed (there were many reasons) was that the blacks didn't vote in big numbers last November.
It DID make a difference in my state, and I'm guessing it was the same in a few other states.

Obama asked them to support Hillary. Did they? Maybe some did, but not enough.
Why didn't the Democratic Party reach out more?

Just sayin'

I suspect that you're one of them.

What the ever living fuck?

and every time I see it, I wonder WhereTF is this person coming from and trying to say, so I figured it out....drip probably doesn't even suspect what he/she is saying about themselves with that noose avatar...strange brew here sometimes.

have some great ideas. Maybe you could have gotten Wisconsin to stay blue in 2010 or showed the people of Wisconsin how to run a successful recall campaign.

Walker, I understand was so bad when he got into office (with, I guess Dem votes in 2010, he was subjected to a recall. He won! and is now in the record books as the only governor who has ever survived a recall. --even though Wisconsin laughs at he inability to bring jobs to Wisconsin-his was a great failure in jobs for the workers but a big success in getting rid of government unions.

What would you have done in 2010 in Wisconsin?

BTW are you paid in rubles or dollars?

BTW can you name the person who has the second highest total vote
count in US Presidential History?

Hmm.

hmmmmm

that affected the AA vote. Republicans have been working extra hard here to disenfranchise people via the voter id laws.

!. It was never expected the the black turnout for Clinton would match that of the historic 2008 election

2. Obamas election initiated a renewed effort suppression of the black vote by Republicans. It has been successful on may fronts- we all know about Cross Check registration purges, voting machines in Detroit not registering a vote for president in African American dominated precincts.

(Re voter suppression: I myself live in a state with a Republican Secy of State. I live in a zip code largely African American. I requested a ballot for mail-in voting. I never received it. If I had not been able to vote in person on Election Day, I would have lost my vote. A neighbor who was out of town was not so lucky.

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/10/the-real-reason-black-voters-didnt-turn-out-for-hillary-clinton-and-how-to-fix-it/

3. The Obama election plus the passage of the Affordable Care Act by Democrats brought about the Tea Party counter revolution in 2010 which caused Democrats to lose over 1000 seats.
Have you ever wondered how those rust belt states lost so much Democratic ground in 6 years? When your party losses mid terms the ground under the presidential ticket turns sandier-- which is why I just roll my eyes when democratic"personality voters" ignore the party, the mid-terms, and just want to get thrills playing presidential politics every four years.

Kind of like the Seasonal Christians who get all excited to go to church on Christmas and Palm Sunday, and Easter.

Sounds like you want to blame the victims.

disturbing for two reasons. One, my brother hung himself and all these years later it still disturbs me. Second, there is a long history of black men being hung for their supposed 'crimes'.

Please explain.

TIA, sheshe.

The GOP worked to ensure voters of color were denied the vote, and here you are blaming them for having their rights stripped away.
You comment is deplorable. People who believe in democracy and equal rights stand up to fight against voter disenfranchisement rather than blaming those subject to it.

What do you think the point of stripping away Article 5 of the Voting Rights Act was, of closing polling places in minority communities, and cutting down the days people could vote?

... "The early SA was full of burly ex-soldiers, beer-hall brawlers, vicious Jew-haters and anti-communists – men who were nationalist and reactionary, but more interested in kicking heads than in staging a political debate. By September 1921, Hitler had fashioned these men into his own private army. He chose the name Sturmabteilung (‘Stormtroops’) and ordered them to be outfitted in military-style uniforms." ...

... and their little hats, "Make The Reich Great For 1000 Years" ...

oh oh, I better not give him any ideas.

It's hard to believe people can be that stupid. I need a shower and some mind bleach.

who think they are getting short changed or think the White race is no more. WTF!

this is still the minority of voters, what about those in the majority???

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Actually, they want him to lie.

stupid people.

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Moore said, (not exact quote) "I'm an old white guy & have only a High School education". He spoke at length about voters (months before the general election) being mocked for education level & wearing trump ball caps.

Moore also showed his ball cap he has always worn in his hometown Detroit.

Being poor is something that is very difficult to overcome. Educating yourself with facts is very easy to do. Yet conservatives want to live in their alt-fact echo chambers. I can’t blame a poor man for being born into a poor family, or a sick woman for being born with lupus, but I can blame conservatives for getting their news from Facebook, Breitbart and Fox News, refusing to acknowledge science and facts, then voting for people like Mitch McConnell, Donald Trump and Paul Ryan.

D party was really out of touch with this demographic of voters. Ds are still out of touch with this group of now Republican voters

The article is very well written to keep those votes Republican.

Trump was given all of the education money could buy, but he does not seem particularity educated in his thinking, speaking, nor comprehension.

Slumlord of the Stars University

college.

Also the GOP push to say trade school is as good as college plays into it since you are teaching how to do a specific task rather than at least partly trying to make a person have thinking skills about life.

The desire to fell more important than "those people" and to be able to protect their stuff is more important than being part of the humanity around them.
They love their Faux news because it re-enforces their need to be special and lets them feel comfortable in their self-imposed isolation. They love living in their snow globe world, and are in their hearts resentful of the real world and the scope of struggles other people go through in the real world.

Haele

...or "Irritable Male Syndrome". This might explain why old white guys are so angry all of the time.

https://www.bodylogicmd.com/for-men/irritable-men-syndrome

"Men experiencing Irritable Man Syndrome or Irritable Male Syndrome are often in denial and find fault everywhere except themselves. As a man, it is difficult to recognize and admit that there is something wrong with yourself, that something has changed—hormonal problems are often viewed as an issue only women face."

Blame, deflect, blame somemore...

who aren't wealthy and yet keep voting for pukes have been getting screwed by puke policies at least since raygun.

The propaganda has worked: deflects their anger onto "others" and keeps them voting puke because of "god, guns, and gays" instead of figuring out that they are getting robbed blind by those pukes.

Plus, no longer teaching civics in school and diminished critical thinking = people don't understand how the government works or why they are getting reamed.

So, they keep voting for those that will kill them via policy.

It'll get worse.

The word White appears 4 out of 5 times, & the word Male appears 3 times.

Or at the very least we shouldn't allow groups that are oppressors of minorities to vote.

And grouping college undergraduates in this same group of people who might have checked out of the school thing in middle school sounds like intelligence in the making. And just how large was this group of this so called uneducated white men compared to the other groupings that were compared to it. Where the others in the other groups compared to as a composite group or in separate groups and how where they averaged. A poll or survey can be spun in many ways for the unsuspecting.

No doubt about the trending but getting up on your high-horse and claiming your elitism with a piece of paper doesn't sound like a good way to prove your point. I had once thought that diploma thing was some kind of liberating document that was proving one was a free thinking individual that secured at least a modicum of understanding. Though the years I have learned it's more a straight jacket with blinders that is attached to a self-perpetuating system that is now in decline.

Trump is obviously a piece of work but using unobjective and undefined pejorative to slander that pejorative in a way to also to ridicule Trump sounds like a weak starting point