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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:10 PM Mar 2017

Tillerson says diplomacy with North Korea has 'failed'; Pyongyang warns of war

Source: The Washington Post



By Anna Fifield and Simon Denyer March 16 at 11:08 AM

TOKYO — Diplomacy has failed and it’s time to “take a different approach” to North Korea, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said here Thursday, as the North Korean Embassy in China warned that American military threats were bringing the region to the brink of nuclear war.

Tillerson’s comment — that 20 years of diplomacy have been unable to persuade the regime in Pyongyang to abandon its pursuit of nuclear weapons — will fuel fears in the region that military options might be on the table to deter North Korea. That could prove devastating for Seoul, where more than 20 million people in the South Korean capital region live within range of North Korean artillery.

And in a sign of mounting tensions, the North Korean Embassy held an extraordinary news conference in Beijing to issue its warning of nuclear war while vowing to continue with its own nuclear testing program as a legitimate form of self-defense.

The U.S. secretary of state, in Japan on his first major trip abroad since taking office, put North Korea and its “dangerous and unlawful” weapons programs at the top of the agenda.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/tillerson-stresses-regional-cooperation-to-curb-north-koreas-weapons-programs/2017/03/16/4ec5e07c-09ab-11e7-bd19-fd3afa0f7e2a_story.html?utm_term=.9009bb6fef03&wpisrc=nl_evening&wpmm=1

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Tillerson says diplomacy with North Korea has 'failed'; Pyongyang warns of war (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2017 OP
These inept amateurs are going to get the US into real deep sh*t. femmocrat Mar 2017 #1
As they fire the professional diplomats. DK504 Mar 2017 #20
My take is that 45 is going to use that foreign aid cut to pay off N.K. with his "art of the deal." nikibatts Mar 2017 #24
Perfect description of our cluster fuck SCROTUS and his admin! LOL Lib Mar 2017 #52
Artillery? Doesn't North Korea actually have nukes? ck4829 Mar 2017 #2
North Korea must have oil we don't know about. nt TeamPooka Mar 2017 #3
Trump wants to be a war president ck4829 Mar 2017 #5
Bingo... it's only a question of where, and when. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2017 #7
He needs a war. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2017 #11
He thinks bombing people and marching around in a bomber jacket will make his penis grow adigal Mar 2017 #58
They have guns Lithos Mar 2017 #23
Not even 3 months on the job rivegauche Mar 2017 #4
Did he even try? C_U_L8R Mar 2017 #6
Like tRump, he's too accustomed to everyone bowing down to him. Can't really solve problems. JudyM Mar 2017 #34
This hopelessly inept and arrogant motherfucker COLGATE4 Mar 2017 #8
Might I make a suggestion. Give Trump, Tillerson, Banon, and for still_one Mar 2017 #9
I love the way you think! LOL Lib Mar 2017 #53
I think we should all send Bannon some Thunderbird liquor, Trump some double cheeseburgers adigal Mar 2017 #59
This is the part where the "deep state" steps in. Please? C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Mar 2017 #10
I wonder why China just doesnt step in and remove Kim from power themselves cstanleytech Mar 2017 #12
Kim is useful for badgering the West. roamer65 Mar 2017 #19
Yep Cosmocat Mar 2017 #46
Attention on Kim diverts attention from their human rights abuses harun Mar 2017 #26
Maybe for the same reason the repubs let tRump run loose. old guy Mar 2017 #28
You'd think his generals would have gotten rid of him Yupster Mar 2017 #42
One factor: the last thing China want or needs are a million + NK refugees flooding the border. Marengo Mar 2017 #45
Because China has no legitimate right to remove Kim Yavin4 Mar 2017 #54
South Korea will be destroyed if a war breaks out. The U.S. will lose troops. Nitram Mar 2017 #13
I think South Korea will win it within about a month if it stays conventional. roamer65 Mar 2017 #17
Well, yes metalbot Mar 2017 #22
Yeah, but NO chance China lets SK or the US go after NK Cosmocat Mar 2017 #47
The fascists don't care about South Korea, or US lives Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #18
Making the Korean War Great Again bucolic_frolic Mar 2017 #14
Insanity. drm604 Mar 2017 #15
The Korean police action (war) hasn't ended its was only a succession of hostilities. Historic NY Mar 2017 #16
I think the phrase you want is "cessation of hostilities." appal_jack Mar 2017 #39
see....... Historic NY Mar 2017 #40
Well, that did not take long GulfCoast66 Mar 2017 #21
The Dumb Fuck Administration at work, so to speak. kwassa Mar 2017 #25
Trump says he "loves war" jpak Mar 2017 #27
Rexy Don't Care Thomas Hurt Mar 2017 #29
WTF? Just yesterday..... MedusaX Mar 2017 #30
Might be hard to get spare parts for a Kia soon. "Seoul, where more than 20 million people in the... winstars Mar 2017 #31
Oh OK He really tried everything I am sure lunasun Mar 2017 #32
There is a high probability DPRK has tactical nuclear artillery. KR death won't come by a rocket. TheBlackAdder Mar 2017 #33
And to think tRump's team is just getting started. Ugh. JudyM Mar 2017 #35
I will say it again AwakeAtLast Mar 2017 #36
So all that money going to the military is to nuke NK Cha Mar 2017 #37
please DonCoquixote Mar 2017 #38
So the conservative president of South Korea is impeached and the liberals look set to takeover suffragette Mar 2017 #41
What Diplomacy? Tillerson has been SecState for a month? pfitz59 Mar 2017 #43
Yeah this is silly FakeNoose Mar 2017 #55
So this is Trump's war. joshcryer Mar 2017 #44
Dude - there is no success Cosmocat Mar 2017 #48
Once again a blanket statement is not qualified randr Mar 2017 #49
Quite frankly... I'm getting a little tired of being threatened with war. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #50
Diplomacy has failed? yallerdawg Mar 2017 #51
A Few Million Dead to Cover Up for Trump TomCADem Mar 2017 #56
No, you just haven't tried hard enough, you old asshole. Aristus Mar 2017 #57

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
1. These inept amateurs are going to get the US into real deep sh*t.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:12 PM
Mar 2017

None of them has any experience or expertise in the positions to which they have been confirmed.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
24. My take is that 45 is going to use that foreign aid cut to pay off N.K. with his "art of the deal."
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:58 PM
Mar 2017

45 will do anything to get a "win" that others could not get. Tillerson is just the man to deliver the bribe. Wait for it. 45 administration will give away the store to accomplish something his predecessors could not and then seal his dictatorship with the adulation that follows.

LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
52. Perfect description of our cluster fuck SCROTUS and his admin!
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 12:58 PM
Mar 2017

I have so much to add, strictly on a humanitarian basis, but this isn't the time and it would be fruitless. This administration is woefully inept and the only hope we have to stop it is Lyin Ryan and the repukes. We are headed for cataclysmic destruction and the repukes are too spineless to stop it.

ck4829

(35,090 posts)
2. Artillery? Doesn't North Korea actually have nukes?
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:14 PM
Mar 2017

Trump can't unopen this can of worms if he goes down this route.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
7. Bingo... it's only a question of where, and when.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:21 PM
Mar 2017

Looks like we may soon have an answer. War with NK, potentially leading to a shooting war with China. Outstanding.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
58. He thinks bombing people and marching around in a bomber jacket will make his penis grow
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:58 PM
Mar 2017

Or at least make him feel like he doesn't have the smallest member known to man.

Seriously, this idiot is going to start a war with a nuclear, unstable country that doesn't care one bit about the lives of their citizens. And low energy Tillerson had to cancel meetings cause he was "tired."

Fuck. Let me know when to get my kids out of NYC.

rivegauche

(601 posts)
4. Not even 3 months on the job
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:18 PM
Mar 2017

and Rexy boy is throwing in the towel? He's admitting failure already? These people are laughably incomeptent

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
8. This hopelessly inept and arrogant motherfucker
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:22 PM
Mar 2017

is going to get us into a shooting war with N. Korea - I'm sure he envisions himself riding the wave of public adulation as a 'wartime president' like Shrub.

still_one

(92,386 posts)
9. Might I make a suggestion. Give Trump, Tillerson, Banon, and for
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:24 PM
Mar 2017

good measure Mercer, an M1 rifle, and put them in an amphibious landing craft, and tell North Korea that they are being invaded by these assholes, and let the chips fall where they may.

Of course bullies send other to die, while they stay safe and secure in their filth laden spheres

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
59. I think we should all send Bannon some Thunderbird liquor, Trump some double cheeseburgers
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:59 PM
Mar 2017

and Tillerson some FBI agents to arrest his ass.

C_eh_N_eh_D_eh

(2,205 posts)
10. This is the part where the "deep state" steps in. Please?
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:29 PM
Mar 2017

Seriously, the only way I can see this ending in anything but chaos is if the financiers who stand to lose big if China gets too pissed off, have a word with Donnie and make him back down. He probably thinks a war would force everyone to get in line behind his agenda, and he's probably right about that, at least. And he neither knows nor cares about the millions who would be killed.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
12. I wonder why China just doesnt step in and remove Kim from power themselves
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:32 PM
Mar 2017

as its not like the US or South Korea would likely object much if any at this point.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
19. Kim is useful for badgering the West.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 07:52 PM
Mar 2017

He goes off the deep end and China plays "moderator" and they look good on the world stage. It's a big game.
Meanwhile, the NK people suffer in abject poverty as a result.

Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
46. Yep
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 09:34 AM
Mar 2017

others make good points in their replies, too.

And, jr knows the game, too, that as long as he does not threaten China, they will provide him cover to keep his little shit show running.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
42. You'd think his generals would have gotten rid of him
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:32 AM
Mar 2017

He keeps blowing up his generals in creative ways. You'd figure the rest of them figure they're next.

It's amazing how long the regime survived.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
54. Because China has no legitimate right to remove Kim
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:04 PM
Mar 2017

And even if they could, what are they going to do with a nation of cult-like, Kim zealots. Think the North Koreans are going to be totally chill about removing a leader that they think is God?

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
17. I think South Korea will win it within about a month if it stays conventional.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 07:45 PM
Mar 2017

They have advanced weaponry from the US that will make it a cakewalk unless China intervenes.

Remember...the only reason North Korea exists is because of Chinese intervention in 1950. MacArthur drove NK troops nearly all the way up to the Chinese border.

If it goes nuclear, then kiss our wonderful planet goodbye.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
22. Well, yes
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:45 PM
Mar 2017

South Korea can "win", in the sense that they will be the ultimate "victors" in a conventional war.

But are you still winning if a couple million people are killed? Would it still be winning of 20 million died?

Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
47. Yeah, but NO chance China lets SK or the US go after NK
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 09:35 AM
Mar 2017

There is a reason China lets the NK shitshow go on ...

Kimchijeon

(1,606 posts)
18. The fascists don't care about South Korea, or US lives
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 07:46 PM
Mar 2017

The only thing I can think of is appealing to Dumshit Donnie if he uses a Samsung phone or something... hey Dumbass, you like yer phone, right? k, well S. Korea will blow up and No More phone for you!! Now, that would be real bad, ok? So Be Good and don't blow up S. Korea, that's a good lil' Twitler! Good Boy!

Ugh sorry, but the only thing that might work is babyish pandering to his malignant narcissism somehow, to keep South Korea safe. Only thing I can think might work. Pander to his vanity and selfishness.

I am so worried right now for Seoul... well all of Korean peninsula is in serious danger.

bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
14. Making the Korean War Great Again
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:52 PM
Mar 2017

The Guns of April

I kind of knew this was going to happen fast, but what can you do about it?

drm604

(16,230 posts)
15. Insanity.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 07:22 PM
Mar 2017

Complete utter insanity.

He'll be sacrificing Seoul and millions of it's inhabitants for the sake of his ego.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
16. The Korean police action (war) hasn't ended its was only a succession of hostilities.
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 07:38 PM
Mar 2017

won't take much to crank it up again.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
39. I think the phrase you want is "cessation of hostilities."
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:03 AM
Mar 2017

Though "succession of hostilities" sums up the Drumpf Administration quite well, now that you have coined the phrase...



-app

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
21. Well, that did not take long
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:41 PM
Mar 2017

Trump is crashing and burning here. The republicans are jumping off the health care plan like rats from a sinking ship. Everyone know that if Trumpcare crashes, everything else they desire is gone...tax reform, entitlement gutting, reinstitution of Jim Crow. All the things they want.

And trumpcare is crashing bigly. Plus, there seems to actually be a pretty big fire behind all the Russian Smoke. So what is left?

Start a war! That always rallies Americans. Only this time it will not. Seeing Seoul burning and in ruins after receiving 1,000,000 artillery shells in 24 hours. Ten's of thousands of civilian deaths on top of thousands of military deaths, many of them American will result in a constitutional crisis. Especially since there is no way congress will ever approve a resolution supporting it.

NATO allies abandoning us. Japan finally figuring they are better off with China than the mad man we have. South Korea making plans to kick us out after the war is over and looking to China to help. China cutting off trade and offering all of our debt for sale at wholesale prices crashing the value of the dollar. This shit could get ugly.

2 months ago I thought we could weather 4 years like we often do with bad presidents. Now, as you can tell, I am slightly more pessimistic.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
29. Rexy Don't Care
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 10:01 PM
Mar 2017

Rexy is there to open Russia since the United States of America is now a subsidiary of EXXON.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
30. WTF? Just yesterday.....
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 10:02 PM
Mar 2017

T-Rexxon announced that

NK has nothing to fear from the West....
And how important it was to everyone that NK forgo its nuclear weapons development...
And how NK & China would be treated sooo well by US /west...
and they could all live happily ever after...
blah blah. Rainbows... unicorns... & cotton candy....

I guess I missed the .....

"Must Act Now"

"Limited Time Left to take advantage of this special offer"

"Don't let this deal get away!!"

"24 hour Diplomacy Flash Sale"

winstars

(4,220 posts)
31. Might be hard to get spare parts for a Kia soon. "Seoul, where more than 20 million people in the...
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 10:36 PM
Mar 2017

South Korean capital region live within range of North Korean artillery."

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
38. please
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 11:57 PM
Mar 2017

don't tell me that I'm the only one who smells the hand of Steve Bannon in this.key racks is been on the job all of barely one month and he is already ready to call failure on a venture that for all of its ups and downs, Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama have been chipping away at 12 years? am I the only one who remembers this little gem?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/02/steve-bannon-donald-trump-war-south-china-sea-no-doubt

“We’re going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years,” he said in March 2016. “There’s no doubt about that. They’re taking their sandbars and making basically stationary aircraft carriers and putting missiles on those. They come here to the United States in front of our face – and you understand how important face is – and say it’s an ancient territorial sea.”

It could be that he Rex was just supposed to be the guy who gave Russia the chance to get sanctions and allowed Trump and Putin to get some of that estimate $500 billion of oil trade. However, he Rex is not going to be making a lot of oil money, even in WAR, because the Chinese taking the economy is going to make what he has worthless. People are not going to be driving SUVs to get hamburgers if our currency is shot. Keep in mind, Beijing would not need to get officially involved ever, I repeat Beijing would not have to fire a single bullet to win the war. all they would need to do is let him trash South Korea and then attack Japan. of course officially they would say that they are not supporting the North Koreans in this, but to be perfectly honest they would not have to. However, once the South Koreans and Japanese are unable to go ahead and maintain our debt, that puts China in the perfect position to use it to target our leash.


Now less some of you think I'm saying this to Beijing Bait, I will say this, the scenario described is definitely not what Beijing wants. one, they know that if this happens there will be no way in hell to ever get their money back. Two, they also know that, for all their shiny new cities and monorails, their economy depends on Americans buying their products. an American depression, as much is that might sound wonderful to some old Maoist in Beijing, the folks in Shanghai know that America is the only country willing and able to keep buying all this stuff that they have kept the peasants making. They also know that the only thing that is keeping the country from trying itself into bits is the fact that right now the economy is growing, already there are fears of what will happen when the Chinese economy, like every other economy tanks. I'll give you a hint, it's no accident that despite all their attempts to keep the peace,, many people in these "thriving cities" are getting tired of air so nasty you need to wear a mask, as well as the fact that in order to become a competitive economy, wages and benefits have to go down. The Chinese are even being undercut by African labor, Africans who were very often trained by, guess who, the Chinese. Jesus Beijing, that's just like a teenager whose parents died of lung cancer making sure to smoke two packs a day of the same brand of cigarettes that kill their parents; you imitated America and are getting burned for it!


So who really would benefit from a war between China and the United States. oh yes there are some here bringing the concern Bell that we are Russia baiting. Never mind that those who bring that they'll have seriously failed to look at Russia today and realize that no it is not be idealistically bound Soviet Union.the Russians mainly flowers on Stalin's grave, but they are not fighting the ideological war of communism anymore, they're fighting it less than the Chinese are. No they know that thanks to European bumbling they are about to inherit Western Europe, or rather what I have century Cold War failed to do, folks like Le Pen and Trump are going to throw at Putin's feet. when that is done, who is the only country that poses any sort of existential threat to the Russians, or for that matter the United States? It is not Canada, is not Japan, and know it sure isn't England. As much is Russia could flex its muscle, they know they have nothing that the Chinese cannot take, no military advantage,, even that fabled Russian winter, is going to stop with eight times their population and a lot of stolen American military technology from taking anything from them, including all that nice Russian oil. So what if the Chinese lose, let's say 300 million. Some folks in Beijing would pop champagne because that would make their job of running the country a lot easier.


Russia's only hope of containing their neighbor is to find someone stupid enough to go to war for them and willing to shock trillions if need be into the war effort despite the fact it is completely hopeless; sadly our nation is exactly what Putin ordered. So what the world is a mess, they will just go ahead and build a new Moscow in the center of the country. The idea of two potential rivals both being destroyed beyond repair will make quite a bit of champagne flow in Moscow. Sadly, for all the differences between our two nations, China and America both have an addiction to national myth. to quote Don Henley, "we been poisoned by these fairytales." yes, the Chinese fairytale is much older than ours, but that does not make it any more worthy to help destroy mankind and ours certainly is not worth it. If there is any future to be made for mankind, it will be when people old world learn to treat religion and nationalism as just the constructs of a bunch of old men trying to avoid being irrelevant.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
41. So the conservative president of South Korea is impeached and the liberals look set to takeover
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:17 AM
Mar 2017

and Tillerson amps up the tension with North Korea.

Is he worried about U.S. arms sales to South Korea slowing down or trying to convince people in South Korea they actually want another corrupt right winger? Or a bit of both?

pfitz59

(10,390 posts)
43. What Diplomacy? Tillerson has been SecState for a month?
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 03:24 AM
Mar 2017

Not even time enough to say "Hello"! Fuck these assholes!

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
55. Yeah this is silly
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:22 PM
Mar 2017

Trump is probably hoping Tillerson gets attacked or something else terrible happens to him.
Then he can bomb NK back to the Stone Age and feel good about it.

I'm sure the Cheeto can't wait to push his shiny new Nuke button.


Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
48. Dude - there is no success
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 09:42 AM
Mar 2017

if we meddle military with NK cause China is NOT going to let us or SK cross that line without their say so, and these idiots don't have the first capacity to get to that point (which would be a BIG stretch for any administration).

randr

(12,414 posts)
49. Once again a blanket statement is not qualified
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:47 AM
Mar 2017

What the hell does "failed diplomacy" mean?
No one can put forth an argument based on an unproven "fact".
When the hell is the MSM going to stop accepting fake facts without question?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
51. Diplomacy has failed?
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 12:51 PM
Mar 2017

I thought war was the failure of diplomacy.

Isn't it wonderful the blinders have been lifted from our eyes?

Aristus

(66,461 posts)
57. No, you just haven't tried hard enough, you old asshole.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:33 PM
Mar 2017

Get somebody in there who knows what he or she is doing...

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