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David__77

(23,418 posts)
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 12:47 PM Apr 2017

White House blames Obama admin for suspected Syria chemical attack

Source: ABC News

White House press secretary Sean Spicer said on Tuesday that a suspected chemical attack in a Syrian town was a "consequence of the past administration's weakness and irresolution."

"Today's attack is reprehensible and cannot be ignored by the civilized world," Spicer told reporters. "These heinous actions by the Bashar al Assad regime are a consequence of the past administration's weakness and irresolution. President Obama said in 2012 that he'd establish a red line against the use of chemical weapons and then did nothing. The US stands with our allies across the globe to condemn this intolerable act."

The alleged gas attack in the town of Khan Sheikhoun in northern Syria killed at least 58 civilians, including 11 children, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a U.K.-based monitoring group.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/suspected-chemical-attack-kills-58-syrian-town/story?id=46567048

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White House blames Obama admin for suspected Syria chemical attack (Original Post) David__77 Apr 2017 OP
Trump Putin War Criminals jpak Apr 2017 #1
What's Trump gonna do to prevent further chemical attacks? Fryto Apr 2017 #2
Exactly. NewRedDawn Apr 2017 #4
Did nobody point out to Spicey that Assad did not use chemical weapons while Obama was President .. VMA131Marine Apr 2017 #3
"Remember the Maine", because it was Obama's fault. George II Apr 2017 #5
The Alamo too! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2017 #15
Oh, FFS Leith Apr 2017 #6
trump blames Obama for 1986 Boston Red Sox Loss. nt Javaman Apr 2017 #7
Sure... Why not blame Obama? Zoonart Apr 2017 #8
They continue to blame Clinton for 911 exboyfil Apr 2017 #34
can only really use that one once. montanto Apr 2017 #9
They're grasping for straws now. Actually, they have been since day one. C Moon Apr 2017 #10
BS! lark Apr 2017 #11
Attempted effort at deflection from tRump embracing Assad and Putin. White House scared. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #12
Fuck these fucks . GeorgeGist Apr 2017 #13
If not BHO's fault than certainly Clinton's, possibly Carter's..... NoMoreRepugs Apr 2017 #14
Timeline: 2012: Assad appears to use chem weapons; Obama does something; no more for 5 years muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #16
Exactly! Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #22
Spicer is full of shit, but your timeline is incomplete onenote Apr 2017 #28
One minor correction - add in that Syria did hand over over 600 tons of chemical weapons by 2014 karynnj Apr 2017 #31
Yep. That's what I meant when I said Syria more or less complied with the 2013 resolution onenote Apr 2017 #32
I agree and appreciate your full timeline karynnj Apr 2017 #33
Trump logic is a synonym for oxymoron. onenote Apr 2017 #37
FUCK the white house spanone Apr 2017 #17
Knock Knock. Hello? YOU just established policy of "Assad is just fine ..." PsychoBabble Apr 2017 #18
Well, they have to since they can't blame their buddy Assad Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #19
At last they speak the truth about Obama but what about Bill Clinton and the sinking of the Titanic? Botany Apr 2017 #20
So I guess we will wait and see what dump does now. The_Casual_Observer Apr 2017 #21
If BLOTUS gets a case of the crabs he'll blame Obama. Vinca Apr 2017 #23
Another childish tantrum by the Drumpf administration Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #24
LOL... Here's what Trump actually said when it was happening: Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #25
Yup. He tweeted quite vehemently about it a number of times: Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #39
It was Trump who said if there is a terrorist attack in US, blame judges who blocked his travel ban Doodley Apr 2017 #26
Pathetic. Cracklin Charlie Apr 2017 #27
I blame Obama for a flat tire I had two days ago..... Bengus81 Apr 2017 #29
KNR Lucinda Apr 2017 #30
Spicey forgets Obama asked the GOP congress for authorization to strike Syria and didn't get it. Cattledog Apr 2017 #35
spicerLiar doesn't forget.. he LIES his MF Cha Apr 2017 #43
Jobs and economy - all Trump's doing. Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #36
Absolutely appalling OliverQ Apr 2017 #38
Interesting timing. moondust Apr 2017 #40
So what's Drumpf going to do about this? Oh, that's right, nothing unless Putin says so. Lanius Apr 2017 #41
Trump is utterly full of shit... Rollo Apr 2017 #42
 

Fryto

(11 posts)
2. What's Trump gonna do to prevent further chemical attacks?
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 12:50 PM
Apr 2017

Nothing, because he is Putin's bitch and Putin and Assad are buddies.

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
3. Did nobody point out to Spicey that Assad did not use chemical weapons while Obama was President ..
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 12:52 PM
Apr 2017

so the 'red line' worked pretty well until his boss got into the Oval Office.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
6. Oh, FFS
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 12:53 PM
Apr 2017

Somebody somewhere does something horrible, so DFT blames it on Obama? This happened under tRump's watch, not Obama's.

There's a better case to be made that Assad knows that orange boy is Putin's little toady and won't say or do anything (which seems to be the case).

Zoonart

(11,866 posts)
8. Sure... Why not blame Obama?
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 12:55 PM
Apr 2017

The sell by date is running our for that tired meme, though- what with day 100 coming up fast and nothing to show for it. ZERO!
What would. have happened if 45 had release to the world his super double secret DEFEAT ISIS plan as promised? Just asking'...
no attack I guess... Peace in the Middle East?
So where's the super double secret plan, Chump?

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
10. They're grasping for straws now. Actually, they have been since day one.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 01:00 PM
Apr 2017

They keep throwing things out there hoping one will stick.
(what other cliche can I use here...review of myself there).

lark

(23,102 posts)
11. BS!
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 01:01 PM
Apr 2017

He's been president for almost 90 days, he could have made changes but is too stupid to actually have his own plans. He just firebombs everyone else' plans. He's the one that was making lovey dovey with Assad recently saying we would let him stay president. Several days later this happens. Seems to me this is a reaction to Hair Furor's words now, not policies that were present in the past. He's the disaster on the world and US stage that keeps getting larger. Where will it end?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,319 posts)
16. Timeline: 2012: Assad appears to use chem weapons; Obama does something; no more for 5 years
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 01:16 PM
Apr 2017

(and I'll give Russia credit for arranging that at the time)
Jan 2017: Trump enters White House, advocating better relations with Russia, Assad's ally
30 Mar 2017: Trump's UN ambassador Nikki Haley says getting rid of Assad no longer a priority
4 April 2017: Assad uses chemical weapons for the first time in 5 years

I can see which American president deserves some blame for this, and it's not Obama.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
28. Spicer is full of shit, but your timeline is incomplete
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:31 PM
Apr 2017

2012: Assad appears to use chemical weapons, Obama administration states use of such weapons is a "red line" the crossing of which will result in consequences.

2013: There are reports of new use of chemical weapons in Syria. On September 10, 2013, President Obama gives speech to nation acknowledging that Assad regime has again been using chemical weapons. In speech, Obama acknowledges that the US should not get drawn into another military conflict with boots on the ground, but nonetheless states that he is asking Congress to authorize military force while the administration continues to seek a diplomatic solution for the Syrian crisis. Several days later, with the request for authorization to use military force facing opposition from members of both parties (and specifically from a certain Donald J. Trump) and possible defeat if put to a vote, the US and Russia reach a deal resulting in a UN Resolution under which Syria was required to turn or destroy its stockpiles of chemical weapons by mid 2014.


2014: While Syria more or less complies with the 2013 resolution, that agreement does not cover chlorine- based weapons. Before the year is out, there is strong evidence (acknowledged by Secretary of State) that Assad is using chlorine gas.

2015: The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons/UN Joint Mission in Syria continues to report that chlorine gas is being used by Assad and there are additional reports that mustard gas has been used.

2016: Obama administration issues statement acknowledging OPCW/UN findings, stating that "It is now impossible to deny that the Syrian regime has repeatedly used industrial chlorine as a weapon against its own people." The administration condemns the Syrian use of chlorine gas, but reports of use of chlorine gas continue through the end of the year. There also are reports that the rebels are engaging in chemical warfare, possibly using mustard gas.

Again, Spicer is full of shit to lay the most recent attacks off on Obama, particularly in light of Trump's past opposition to military action in Syria and his laissez-faire attitude about Assad (expressed during the campaign and reiterated in just the past few days). But the timeline is not nearly as clean and simple as your post suggest.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
31. One minor correction - add in that Syria did hand over over 600 tons of chemical weapons by 2014
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 03:36 PM
Apr 2017

One of many articles that verify that number - http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/08/u-s-ship-completes-destruction-of-syrias-most-dangerous-chemicals/

Consider how volatile Syria was and is and it is clear this resolution was a BIG deal considering the damage those deadly chamicals could have done. It is true that Russia and the US negotiated this. It is also true that before the US threat of force, Russia made no efforts to push Syria to do anything like this.

I think that Obama's PR problem on this is that you had neocons who prefered did not support Obama's call for targeted force because they wanted Obama to do what was needed to remove Assad and people angry that he called for force at all. I remember DU when Kerry announced that deal and the main sentiment was anger at Obama and Kerry for being war mongers - which neither are. In addition to US sentiment, most of the Sunni nations and Israel were disappointed that the US did not aggressively enter that civil war. They are the ones who have spun the idea that Obama drew a line in the sand and then ignored it.

It is bizzare that Trump wants it both ways - he has suggested he is more willing to make a deal leaving Assad in power and Spicer seems to want to claim that any problems going forward are due to Obama not having healed the entire world in his 8 years. Imagine if Obama's answer to the financial mess - was just to point fingers at Bush, rather than taking prudent actions.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
32. Yep. That's what I meant when I said Syria more or less complied with the 2013 resolution
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 03:45 PM
Apr 2017

From that point forward, it appears that Syria has been using chlorine gas -- not covered by the resolution.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
33. I agree and appreciate your full timeline
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 03:57 PM
Apr 2017

Just wanted to point out it really is a big deal that 600 tons, an amount I can't even picture, was there and was removed and destroyed by the US. There are clown all over twitter thinking they are making a brilliant point -- pointing to Obama or Kerry not getting ALL the chemical weapons out.

I do think the Trump "logic" is completely strange. he was not in favor of regime change -- yet he faults Obama for not getting Assad out.

PsychoBabble

(837 posts)
18. Knock Knock. Hello? YOU just established policy of "Assad is just fine ..."
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 01:19 PM
Apr 2017

What the hell, White House?

Don't have the time to go find the reports, but Haley, Tillerson statements? THIS WEEK?? J H Christ ... what is wrong with you lying SOB's??

Oh, and BTW ... Spicer?

Burn. In. Hell.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
21. So I guess we will wait and see what dump does now.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 01:29 PM
Apr 2017

I would guess he will do nothing since it doesn't fit the fictional world he has created.

Denzil_DC

(7,241 posts)
39. Yup. He tweeted quite vehemently about it a number of times:
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 05:18 PM
Apr 2017


I think there was also the little matter of Congress blocking the AUMF.

Doodley

(9,092 posts)
26. It was Trump who said if there is a terrorist attack in US, blame judges who blocked his travel ban
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:23 PM
Apr 2017

Similar logic. Don't hold the terrorists to account, blame those who disagree with Trump. In other words, Team Trump again sides with the terrorists and the murderers of innocent people.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
29. I blame Obama for a flat tire I had two days ago.....
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:40 PM
Apr 2017

I always knew he was in the roofing industry and well...when they pulled that roofing nail out of my tire to patch it..............

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
38. Absolutely appalling
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 04:48 PM
Apr 2017

Kurt Eichenwald is so disgusted by this statement, he had to actually step away from the computer.





moondust

(19,984 posts)
40. Interesting timing.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 06:17 PM
Apr 2017
Six days ago: Nikki Haley flashes green light at Assad.

Yesterday: Trump warmly embraces Egyptian military strongman who has sided with Assad.

Yesterday: EU sees no future for Assad in Syria

This morning: Gas attack kills dozens and wounds mostly children.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
42. Trump is utterly full of shit...
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 08:56 PM
Apr 2017

He blames Obama for Assad's use of chemical weapons, while his administration says America is no longer pushing for Assad's ouster.

In fucking credible.

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