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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:38 PM Apr 2017

Senate Republicans go nuclear, pave the way for Gorsuch confirmation to Supreme Court

Source: The Washington Post




By Ed O'Keefe April 6 at 12:34 PM

Senate Republicans successfully voted to change the rules of the U.S. Senate on Thursday and confirm U.S. Supreme Court nominees with a simple majority vote.

The long-anticipated change came after Democrats earlier blocked attempts to advance the nomination of Judge Neil Gorsuch to serve on the high court. The change now means that all presidential nominees for executive branch positions and federal courts only need a simple majority vote to be confirmed by senators.

A final confirmation vote on Gorsuch is not scheduled until Friday, when 52 Republicans and at least three Democrats — from states won by Trump in last year’s election — are expected to vote for him to replace the late Antonin Scalia on the high court.

But the next 24 hours could be among the most contentious in recent Senate history.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/senate-poised-for-historic-clash-over-supreme-court-nominee-neil-gorsuch/2017/04/06/40295376-1aba-11e7-855e-4824bbb5d748_story.html?pushid=58e66e359de27e1d00000006&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.0b8447daadab

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Senate Republicans go nuclear, pave the way for Gorsuch confirmation to Supreme Court (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2017 OP
Good. Now we can get Obama on the court Renew Deal Apr 2017 #1
THIS KPN Apr 2017 #3
That would require him wanting to be on the Court. And there is no indication he wants that. onenote Apr 2017 #16
Also Hillary and Warren, imagine the Repugnants reaction if all 3 were to appointed in 2020 and cstanleytech Apr 2017 #24
Hillary and Warren are great... but too old. tinrobot Apr 2017 #25
I know but still I chuckle at the reaction it would cause and imagining the shrill screams cstanleytech Apr 2017 #27
Gorsuch will illegitimate and should be impeached for plagarism once Democrats regain power. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #2
Illegitimate confirmation by an illegitimate president bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #5
yes, we do msdogi Apr 2017 #12
Sad but true orangecrush Apr 2017 #29
If that's possible, absolutely!!!! KPN Apr 2017 #10
No he won't onenote Apr 2017 #17
Plagarism isnt impeachable. nt cstanleytech Apr 2017 #28
Im so disgusted by all of this OliverQ Apr 2017 #4
In the previous Congress there was that whole issue about Harry Reid bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #6
What rules? Lochloosa Apr 2017 #7
The rules allow mid-session changes to the rules in certain circumstances onenote Apr 2017 #20
We need a National Funeral Procession Equinox Moon Apr 2017 #8
For all Dems, this should mean WAR! KPN Apr 2017 #9
Democrats need to refer to Neil Gorsuch as Dawson Leery Apr 2017 #13
I guess the only thing left is BillyBobBrilliant Apr 2017 #11
Will this bring Dems out to vote in 2018, 2020 ? left-of-center2012 Apr 2017 #14
Maybe they need to stop waiting for unicorns? EllieBC Apr 2017 #18
what is the nuke option? AllaN01Bear Apr 2017 #15
It's the decision to change the rules of the Senate to prevent filibusters onenote Apr 2017 #19
Now Clarence Thomas will retire bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #21
I'm not allowed to give my true opinion Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #22
Damn, if only we'd kept the powder dry so that the Republicans would have it the next time they JCanete Apr 2017 #23
Party & power rule; country be damned Panich52 Apr 2017 #26

KPN

(15,646 posts)
3. THIS
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:48 PM
Apr 2017

But we gotta win the Senate in 18 to block any further potential SCOTUS erosion ... and then the WH in 2020!

cstanleytech

(26,299 posts)
24. Also Hillary and Warren, imagine the Repugnants reaction if all 3 were to appointed in 2020 and
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:47 PM
Apr 2017

they have zero say in it because they were the ones that made this decision that 60 votes was not needed.

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
25. Hillary and Warren are great... but too old.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:59 PM
Apr 2017

You want someone in their 40's/50's to get a couple of decades worth of time on the court.

cstanleytech

(26,299 posts)
27. I know but still I chuckle at the reaction it would cause and imagining the shrill screams
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:59 PM
Apr 2017

that would erupt from the Repugnants if it would happen?

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)
5. Illegitimate confirmation by an illegitimate president
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:50 PM
Apr 2017

Gorsuch would have more legitimacy if Judge Garland had been confirmed
and Gorsuch were the next nominee

This is against everything out civics classes taught about filibuster, and about
the rights of the minority, and Federalist No. 10

We now have a dictatorship

msdogi

(430 posts)
12. yes, we do
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:58 PM
Apr 2017

since Nov. 8 last year, I have had a silly hope that there are a few Republicans in Congress who love this country and our democracy more than their party. that hope is fading away. Yes, we have a lot of Democratic heroes, and we have a truly mobilized and impassioned citizenry, but the combination of a Putin wannabe in the White House, and a party that is determined to erase the legacies of most Democrats back to FDR, we are in a terrifying place.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
17. No he won't
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:35 PM
Apr 2017

It's going to be a long long long time before we have 67 votes in the Senate and those 67 all agree on something as goofy as impeaching a Justice for plagiarism. Under the circumstances, there is virtually no chance that the House, even if the Democrats regain a majority, would bother with an impeachment trial over something as inconsequential as plagiarism, particularly where the person whose work was plagiarized doesn't see it as an issue.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
4. Im so disgusted by all of this
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:50 PM
Apr 2017

I hope McConnell suffers some serious karma some day. I'm so sick of Republicans cheating, stealing, and being over all evil pieces of crap and always getting away with it.

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)
6. In the previous Congress there was that whole issue about Harry Reid
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:53 PM
Apr 2017

only being able to change the rules of the Senate during the first initial meeting,

and that those rules were operative for the remainder of the Congress until the next election

What happened to those rules?

This is like going the posted speed limit in a 45 MPH zone, only to be stopped for a ticket
and given a summons for being 20 miles over because the rules were changed while you
were driving

onenote

(42,715 posts)
20. The rules allow mid-session changes to the rules in certain circumstances
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:51 PM
Apr 2017

Reid and the Democrats claimed those circumstances existed and thus were able to go nuclear on a limited basis (executive branch appointments and judicial nominations other than Supreme Court). Now the repubs have turned the tables and claimed that the circumstances warrant a mid-session change in the rules. And just as there was no way for the repubs to stop Reid's move, there was no way for the Democrats to stop McConnell's.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
9. For all Dems, this should mean WAR!
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:54 PM
Apr 2017

No holds barred going forward. Screw civic discourse and accommodation for the good of all! In my mind, any elected federal democrat who doesn't take this view isn't a democrat.

Gorsuch's now inevitable appointment is illegitimate!

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
14. Will this bring Dems out to vote in 2018, 2020 ?
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:26 PM
Apr 2017

Will grumbling result in action?

I vote in every election.
(OK - I missed this year's school board one)

So many people I meet did not vote last year.

EllieBC

(3,016 posts)
18. Maybe they need to stop waiting for unicorns?
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:39 PM
Apr 2017

Republicans will come out to vote in the middle of firestorm tornado while a tsunami is also happening and possibly an earthquake. And they'll vote for whomever has the R next to their name.

Our side? We complain about imperfect candidates and whine and then wonder what happened.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
19. It's the decision to change the rules of the Senate to prevent filibusters
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:48 PM
Apr 2017

It had previously been invoked on a limited basis by Harry Reid to prevent repub obstruction of Obama's judicial and executive branch appointments (with a carve out allowing filibusters of Supreme Court nominees). Many people here wanted Reid to go further and kill the filibuster altogether so it couldn't be used to block legislation or SCOTUS nominees. Of course, when Trump became president and began nominating all sorts of numbnuts to executive branch positions, there was a modicum of regret for Reid's move, since it meant we couldn't block those awful nominations via the filibuster route. What goes around comes around, as they say.

Now the repubs are in power and the filibuster is being used by our side to block Gorsuch's nomination to the Supreme Court. And the repubs have "gone nuclear" by eliminating the carve out for Supreme Court nominees. The filibuster still remains alive (but on life support) for ordinary legislation. I wouldn't bet the ranch on the filibuster for ordinary legislation surviving.

The Senate is in a cycle of self-destruction. Where and how it stops is anyone's guess.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
22. I'm not allowed to give my true opinion
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:14 PM
Apr 2017

since someone is alerting on damn near everything I say, so all I'll say is it's a shame...

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
23. Damn, if only we'd kept the powder dry so that the Republicans would have it the next time they
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:38 PM
Apr 2017

needed it...
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