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Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:38 AM Jul 2012

Jon Kyl Berates Obama For Focus On Middle Class

Source: huffingtonpost

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama should stop talking about the middle class because it turns people against rich Americans, who should be embraced as the Michael Jordans of the U.S. economy, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said Monday.

Declaring that the use of the phrase "middle class" is "misguided and wrong and even dangerous," Kyl argued in a Senate floor speech that Obama is "spreading economic resentment [that] weakens American values" and ignoring "the uniquely meritocratic basis of our society."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/jon-kyl-middle-class-obama_n_1696826.html

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Jon Kyl Berates Obama For Focus On Middle Class (Original Post) Grassy Knoll Jul 2012 OP
Kyl is a toady little asshole. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #1
I was just going to say... Quantess Jul 2012 #74
Asshat sakabatou Jul 2012 #2
Could be a blessing in disguise Populist_Prole Jul 2012 #3
That's pretty wild BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #4
We should seek not to avoid class warfare bluestateguy Jul 2012 #5
How do we get this guy to keep talking about it? Phlem Jul 2012 #6
O needs to put out an ad with that quote coming out of Krazy Kyl's mouth wordpix Jul 2012 #75
Ha, I thought maybe he was worried about leaving out the poor. Live and Learn Jul 2012 #7
It wouldn't hurt Kyle to pay a little attention to the lower classes. Downwinder Jul 2012 #8
Perhaps he'd like one of these other phrases instead. RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #9
Don't forget vassals. muntrv Jul 2012 #53
Good one! RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #54
Kneel before Zod! TeamPooka Jul 2012 #10
"Dangerous" I'm sorry, what? Afraid that the peasants will revolt??? progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #11
yes, they are & should be! wordpix Jul 2012 #76
It is not about meritocracy when there is not equal opportunity! David__77 Jul 2012 #12
Or Punitive Parasite Prevention. aquart Jul 2012 #17
DEATH TO THE MIDDLE CLASS! New GOP mantra. YES, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM, aren't they? freshwest Jul 2012 #13
Kyl can not figure out why the President keeps talking about the middle class Angry Dragon Jul 2012 #14
They have destroyed most of it nobodyspecial Jul 2012 #24
That horsehead look'n motherfucker can't hit the road soon enough! lonestarnot Jul 2012 #15
Reality? 12ZTR Jul 2012 #16
"the Michael Jordans of the U.S. economy"? Ken Burch Jul 2012 #18
When the "job creators" start performing like Michael Jordan, then they'll be no room to criticize!! tonybgood Jul 2012 #48
Too many martinis at lunch with his lobbyist friends vlyons Jul 2012 #19
"Kyl: Because the Kardashians are working harder than you are." CBHagman Jul 2012 #20
Those clips should be used in an ad Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #21
Precisely. The ads could be used to show up the attitude of tblue37 Jul 2012 #61
Even though Kyl isn't running, it could be powerful Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #68
just keep digging that hole Kyl florida08 Jul 2012 #22
Maybe he'd prefer two classes--the rich and the untouchables? tanyev Jul 2012 #23
The Analogy Kyl Used is Invalid neeksgeek Jul 2012 #25
That's hardly the worst part of the argument. The worst is life isn't a game, we aren't entertainers harun Jul 2012 #58
What A Jackass titanicdave Jul 2012 #26
NFL revenue sharing is very successful Enrique Jul 2012 #27
Dear Senator Asshat hifiguy Jul 2012 #28
the middle class you could say are the workin poor chase48 Jul 2012 #38
Sadly, a lot of working class people will agree with him, because as Steinbeck said... Odin2005 Jul 2012 #64
Kyl channelling the fears of the 1% blackspade Jul 2012 #29
I guess the poor are well fucked then Ebadlun Jul 2012 #30
yes, the are titanicdave Jul 2012 #33
Ah yes. Don't let anything get in the way of worshiping........... socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #31
"uniquely meritocratic basis" - what a load of bullshit. Got to put on coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #32
+10000 wordpix Jul 2012 #72
it is dangerous. to the gop. mopinko Jul 2012 #34
As soon as GOP policies abolish the middle class Zambero Jul 2012 #35
Kyl retires at 158,000 after only 18 years chase48 Jul 2012 #36
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" Keep your eyes on the shiny "job creators"! riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #37
Has Kyl ever discussed The Wizard Jul 2012 #39
why would Kyl's "sexual proclivities" be germaine to this conversation? Raster Jul 2012 #67
Because in the Republican Party The Wizard Jul 2012 #70
Not ostracized... simply asked by his fellow GOPers to keep quiet about it LanternWaste Jul 2012 #80
Sadly Third Doctor Jul 2012 #40
I remember, as a little kid during the Great Depression of the 30s', the lumpy Jul 2012 #41
Keep up your idol worship of the Atlas's Kyl, you'll see how that works out for you. harun Jul 2012 #42
Maybe the Wall Street Journal's Latest Poll has something to do w/ Kyl's "outrage" Botany Jul 2012 #43
And the rehugs are always the first to scream xxqqqzme Jul 2012 #44
Be nice to the psychopaths at the top of our economic pyramid schemes. Larry Ogg Jul 2012 #45
John Kyl - government only exists for the rich lark Jul 2012 #46
Damn, the Reagan-Smiley-Face mask really has fallen off deutsey Jul 2012 #47
He doesn't even realize how dickish he sounds catbyte Jul 2012 #49
none of the R-dicks ever do, Rmoney being a case in point wordpix Jul 2012 #77
Sorry, but it isn't Obama but rather the greedy rich who have made the rest JDPriestly Jul 2012 #50
Funny...I thought zzaapp Jul 2012 #51
no, that was the old America and Kyl's is the new: of, by & for the oligarchy wordpix Jul 2012 #73
As a Detroit Pistons fan, I never embraced Michael Jordan. muntrv Jul 2012 #52
I'm partial to Vinnie Johnson myself :) catbyte Jul 2012 #57
Thank goodness this arrogant jerk is retiring. KarenS Jul 2012 #55
OK, if he stops talking about "Small Business" n/t Blue Meany Jul 2012 #56
This has got to be the only country on Earth where a politician could get away with harun Jul 2012 #59
Ah, Jon, you beady-eyed asstrollop . . . HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #60
Talk about a moron that is out of sink with the voter! Liberalman777 Jul 2012 #62
Orwell wept. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #63
This guy is an embarrassment to the Country. SILVER__FOX52 Jul 2012 #65
That's a campaign commercial that makes itself: yurbud Jul 2012 #66
Twilight of the Elite... GTurck Jul 2012 #69
I'm always amused by guys like kyle, he knows who butters his bread. Javaman Jul 2012 #71
Waaahhhhhh!!! kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #78
BTW, dickwad, we don't live in a meritocracy. We live in a kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #79
How unrepentently feudal. MissMarple Jul 2012 #81
Kyle's a typical gopiscrap Jul 2012 #82
Um, don't we already have a candidate who's running on a platform of helping rich people? Crunchy Frog Jul 2012 #83
We Just Need A Youtube Of Kyl Crying, "Leave The 1% Alone!" TomCADem Jul 2012 #84
Ah, another worthless repuke speaks...nt and-justice-for-all Jul 2012 #85
If those tight ass bastards would only PAY workers what they were worth ... Trajan Jul 2012 #86

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
74. I was just going to say...
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:18 AM
Jul 2012

Look at the photo in the article. It looks like 2 reptiles swimming ashore.
First the reptile head of Kyl, then the turtle close behind him.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
3. Could be a blessing in disguise
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:45 AM
Jul 2012

They're getting so bold in their utter contempt for the middle/working class that stupid "god & guns" wedge issues will no longer be able to keep working stiffs voting for these swine.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
75. O needs to put out an ad with that quote coming out of Krazy Kyl's mouth
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:21 AM
Jul 2012

then replay over and over.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
7. Ha, I thought maybe he was worried about leaving out the poor.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:00 AM
Jul 2012

How wrong could I be? He is worried about the poor pitiful rich guys. What a joke.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
8. It wouldn't hurt Kyle to pay a little attention to the lower classes.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:01 AM
Jul 2012

Though it might be out of character for him.

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
9. Perhaps he'd like one of these other phrases instead.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:01 AM
Jul 2012

With my suggestions for replacement phrases in bold.

common people, hoi polloi, laboring class, proletariat, rank and file, the masses, wage-earners, working class, working people, bourgeoisie, commonality, everyman, everywoman, vulgus

heh heh....vulgus.


progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
11. "Dangerous" I'm sorry, what? Afraid that the peasants will revolt???
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:13 AM
Jul 2012

Unbelievable. And yet the fools will keep voting for them, even as they screw them further and further into poverty with that outdated idea that you can make in America if your try hard enough... except for the fact that a few hundred people now have all the money.

David__77

(23,421 posts)
12. It is not about meritocracy when there is not equal opportunity!
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:21 AM
Jul 2012

I would prefer we call estate taxes "equal opportunity levies."

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
14. Kyl can not figure out why the President keeps talking about the middle class
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:30 AM
Jul 2012

because Kyl thought the republicans had destroyed the middle class

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
24. They have destroyed most of it
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:14 AM
Jul 2012

but just didn't tell the new group that is just a step away from poverty that they are no longer middle class. Survey after survey shows that people think they are richer than they are or that they are so close to getting there.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
19. Too many martinis at lunch with his lobbyist friends
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:23 AM
Jul 2012

and yet more evidence that the Republican brand is totally bankrupt. I wonder how historians 100 yrs from now will characterize the political period. Hopefully as "death spiral of the GOP."

CBHagman

(16,986 posts)
20. "Kyl: Because the Kardashians are working harder than you are."
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:39 AM
Jul 2012

Pity this empty suit isn't running again. I'd have the slogan for the oppo ads.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
21. Those clips should be used in an ad
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:42 AM
Jul 2012

And often, flooding every single district.

Kyl let the cat out of the bag. This is how they REALLY intend to govern.

C'mon Dems, it's time to take the gloves off.

florida08

(4,106 posts)
22. just keep digging that hole Kyl
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:59 AM
Jul 2012

the term 'middle class' refers to those of us who actually work for our salary and pay taxes. Meritocracy? Don't think I would list anyone in the GOP as having superior intellect or worthy of their position. A syndicate maybe.

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
25. The Analogy Kyl Used is Invalid
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:35 AM
Jul 2012
"When Michael Jordan came, after he established how great he would be, he was given an enormous, almost unheard of salary. Did the other players say, 'That's not fair?' No, actually all the other players got big salary increases, too," Kyl said.

This argument doesn't hold water at all, not in an environment where companies pay CEOs record salaries while they lay employees off and then offer to hire them back at lower wages (Circuit City), try to freeze employee pay while making record profits (Caterpillar), or banking millions of dollars while not hiring due to "uncertainty" (pick a company).

harun

(11,348 posts)
58. That's hardly the worst part of the argument. The worst is life isn't a game, we aren't entertainers
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jul 2012

trying to draw the biggest crowds. We are human beings that deserve to be treated with dignity. Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, not just the Michael Jordan's.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
28. Dear Senator Asshat
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:10 AM
Jul 2012

The middle class, or what used to be the middle class, is the single largest source of potential votes in the country. Smart politicians talk to the big crowds.

Yours in contempt,

hifiguy

P.S. How the fuck do crooked shitheels such as yourself manage to screw your pants on every morning?

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
64. Sadly, a lot of working class people will agree with him, because as Steinbeck said...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:34 PM
Jul 2012

...Americans consider themselves to be temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
29. Kyl channelling the fears of the 1%
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:37 AM
Jul 2012

And rightly so.
If the middle classes begin voting in their best interests instead of those of the monied classes, Kyl and his ilk are screwed.

No one likes hoarders during a crisis, whether money or food.

titanicdave

(429 posts)
33. yes, the are
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jul 2012

and the repugs such as this idiot really don't give a damn about the poor.....they can eat cake as far as the right wing nut jobs care

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
31. Ah yes. Don't let anything get in the way of worshiping...........
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:39 AM
Jul 2012

the wealthy.

I don't think they're really scared, but I DO believe they're getting "concerned". Class warfare for 30+ years was the exclusive purview of the wealthy. So much so that I stopped calling it class war and started calling it class massacre. Since last Fall that's changed a little. I still don't think most working class people know what it's going to take to really take back the country, but it's a start. And this is on Huffington Post, one of the more RW of the Democratic leaning web sites. The comments tell the tale here. Universal condemnation of Kyl's remarks.

BTW, I personally want to send a big shout out to the Occupy movement. They've definitely changed the conversation around. Notice how few people are talking about the debt and austerity anymore?

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
35. As soon as GOP policies abolish the middle class
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:34 PM
Jul 2012

the Sen Kyl's of this world can sit back, relax, and take "credit" for a job well done. And no more pesky middle class references that might upset the "righteously meritorious".

 

chase48

(41 posts)
36. Kyl retires at 158,000 after only 18 years
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:52 PM
Jul 2012

it was reported on MSNBC senator Kyl will retire at 158,000 dollars per year for the rest of his life, 98% of the working poor and poor will pay that tab while he and the repucks preaching austerity?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
37. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" Keep your eyes on the shiny "job creators"!
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:56 PM
Jul 2012

Don't try to figure out inconvenient truths!

How dare Obama try to expose ugly realities?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
80. Not ostracized... simply asked by his fellow GOPers to keep quiet about it
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:53 PM
Jul 2012

Not ostracized... simply asked by his fellow GOPers to keep quiet about it as has been done in the past.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
40. Sadly
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:08 PM
Jul 2012

it's membersof the middle and lower classes keeps this guy in office. The idiocy of it galls me everyday.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
41. I remember, as a little kid during the Great Depression of the 30s', the
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jul 2012

'common' people exhibited a strong dislike of the wealthy class for basically the same reasons. The tide turned.

harun

(11,348 posts)
42. Keep up your idol worship of the Atlas's Kyl, you'll see how that works out for you.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:27 PM
Jul 2012

Shame on anyone who votes for this guy.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
44. And the rehugs are always the first to scream
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:49 PM
Jul 2012
class warfare. How should we start identifying the middle class john? Stagnant wage earners? the emerging poor? the new indigence?

Larry Ogg

(1,474 posts)
45. Be nice to the psychopaths at the top of our economic pyramid schemes.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:13 PM
Jul 2012

Because they are the Michael Jordan's of evil con-artist, the worst of all predators, and the number one financiers of both political parties.

lark

(23,105 posts)
46. John Kyl - government only exists for the rich
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:21 PM
Jul 2012

don't give the fucking serfs hope. They might get uppity!

(sarcasm intended)

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
47. Damn, the Reagan-Smiley-Face mask really has fallen off
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:52 PM
Jul 2012

I hope more and more people see the ugliness behind it.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
50. Sorry, but it isn't Obama but rather the greedy rich who have made the rest
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:07 PM
Jul 2012

of America dislike them.

The greedy rich are rich, rich, richer than they have ever been while the middle class is losing ground. Hasn't Kyl seen the charts?

And then the greedy rich who make their fortunes in "free" international trade expect the middle class to take cuts in pay, have fewer choices as to jobs and STILL pay the taxes to keep our military going -- to protect the trade routes that the rich use to rob the rest of us.

No way. Kyl hasn't figured things out yet. He needs to take a deep breath and look at what is happening to the middle class in the country. It isn't business as usual for most of us.

We have good, middle-class friends who built up a business, employed lots of people and lost everything in the crash of 2008. They are just one example of prosperity lost, dreams lost, lives crushed by the greed of Wall Street.

Kyl is out of touch.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
73. no, that was the old America and Kyl's is the new: of, by & for the oligarchy
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:17 AM
Jul 2012

The same oligarchy the founding fathers fought against.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
52. As a Detroit Pistons fan, I never embraced Michael Jordan.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:11 PM
Jul 2012

I preferred Joe Dumars, so spare me the analogy, John Kyl.

catbyte

(34,403 posts)
57. I'm partial to Vinnie Johnson myself :)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jul 2012

I was there the night The Microwave lit up the court with 22 points point in the 4th quarter against the Celtics in Game 4 of the 1985 Eastern Conference Semi-Finals. Ah, The Pistons glory days!

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Taz, Nigel, and new baby brother Sammy, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"Dogs Aren’t Luggage--HISS!”

KarenS

(4,079 posts)
55. Thank goodness this arrogant jerk is retiring.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:20 PM
Jul 2012

I'll be donating to and voting for Rich Carmona this election!!

harun

(11,348 posts)
59. This has got to be the only country on Earth where a politician could get away with
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:29 PM
Jul 2012

saying that. Also the only country where people would be stupid enough to elect someone who would say and believe that.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
60. Ah, Jon, you beady-eyed asstrollop . . .
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:36 PM
Jul 2012

Jordan didn't pay the people coming to see his games; the people bought the merch, sold out the UC and made the people who signed Jordan's checks richer. Jordan was a product; a highly talented one, but still a product and one that was gained by luck of the draw (or an astronomically bad decision by Portland, whichever). The United Center would have still had a staff whether Jordan came to Chi-Town or not. The Bulls still would have had an organization whether Jordan came to town or not.

The CEOs only helped the other executives. Their wealth didn't trickle down to the masses. That was never their intent. There's no sense of noblesse oblige here. Their only intent was to get cheaper and cheaper highly-educated labor and pocket/bonus out the savings.

Trickle Down is a FARCE. Always has been, always will be. Jon Kyl sucks at governing, sucks at humanity and SUPER sucks at analogies.

Liberalman777

(35 posts)
62. Talk about a moron that is out of sink with the voter!
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:15 PM
Jul 2012

He cares less about what his constinuients think..I should know I used to live in AZ. Good thing he is retiring..

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
66. That's a campaign commercial that makes itself:
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:08 PM
Jul 2012

Just play him saying that, cut to Obama saying, "Those are the people who want to replace me in this election. Any questions?"

GTurck

(826 posts)
69. Twilight of the Elite...
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:36 AM
Jul 2012

is Chis Hedges great read on meritocracy and its failure. John Kyl may not have the IQ to read it though.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
71. I'm always amused by guys like kyle, he knows who butters his bread.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 09:58 AM
Jul 2012

and has zero shame in telling others at the cost of sounding like a complete halfwit.

becauseto him, politics is all about what is said, not what is remembered.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
82. Kyle's a typical
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:57 AM
Jul 2012

sheltered, self centered repuke asshole who probably hasn't had to work a day in his life!!

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
84. We Just Need A Youtube Of Kyl Crying, "Leave The 1% Alone!"
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:29 PM
Jul 2012

Between Kyl and Romney saying that taxes on the rich amounts to hating success, this is getting pretty annoying.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
86. If those tight ass bastards would only PAY workers what they were worth ...
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 02:45 AM
Jul 2012

We wouldn't be in this fucking mess ....

The Middle Class is EVERYTHING ..... The Middle Class is the Job CREATORs and PERFORMERs ....

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