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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 10:29 AM Apr 2017

New York just OK'd tuition-free college for middle class

Source: CNN



by Katie Lobosco @KatieLobosco
April 9, 2017: 10:53 PM ET

New York just became the first state in the nation to make tuition free for middle class students at both two- and four-year public colleges.

Governor Andrew Cuomo introduced the tuition-free plan in January. Lawmakers agreed to include it in the state budget, which was approved by the Assembly on Saturday and by the Senate late Sunday night. The governor is expected to sign the budget bills. Tuition will be free for residents who earn up to a specific income cap, which will be phased in over the first three years.

Starting this fall, undergraduate students who attend a State University of New York or City University of New York school will be eligible for the Excelsior Scholarship if their families earn no more than $100,000 a year. The income cap will lift to $110,000 next year and will reach $125,000 in 2019.

Those eligible will pay nothing for tuition, which costs $6,470 annually at four-year schools and about $4,350 a year at community colleges. But they will still be on the hook for the cost of fees and room and board if they live on campus. Those other expenses can add up to $14,000 a year.



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New York just OK'd tuition-free college for middle class (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2017 OP
Is there sufficient capacity? MichMan Apr 2017 #1
If they are full, they're full. Blackjackdavey Apr 2017 #4
Years ago both the City University and State University were free, there was only... George II Apr 2017 #2
It will be interesting to see how it works over time frazzled Apr 2017 #3
More educated people could be dangerous for Fox News and the GOP . geretogo Apr 2017 #5

MichMan

(11,985 posts)
1. Is there sufficient capacity?
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 10:47 AM
Apr 2017

I imagine that applications are going to go way up now.

Is there enough capacity and facilities to handle the increased enrollment?

What about accreditation being impacted by the increased number of students requiring more instructors and staff?

Blackjackdavey

(178 posts)
4. If they are full, they're full.
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 11:25 AM
Apr 2017

Maybe it will increase academic competitiveness for admission. I haven't read anywhere where SUNY schools are required to admit. I guess my concern is, my son is starting at a SUNY school this fall on a STEM scholarship which similar to this -- indeed, seems to be the genesis of this, requires him to work in NYS for five years, in a STEM job,after graduation. I'm hopng this doesn't drive a glut of workers -- if anything this may reduce the value of a bachelor's degree even further but on the other hand, if it reduces fealty to student loan companies, all the better.

George II

(67,782 posts)
2. Years ago both the City University and State University were free, there was only...
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 10:53 AM
Apr 2017

...a nominal registration fee of about $100 per semester or year, I forget now.

In addition to that, NYS offered all college students a small scholarship of a few hundred dollars a semester. I forget too what the qualifications were, but they weren't very strict.

I wound up going to a full-scholarship college and still got $200 a year from the state, so I was ahead of the game by a little each year.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
3. It will be interesting to see how it works over time
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 10:56 AM
Apr 2017

While I applaud the move on the whole* I have a number of unanswered questions about possible effects down the line.

1. Since not everybody can attend one of these public universities—you will have to be accepted first, as has always been the case—I wonder how this move will affect acceptance rates and policies. It largely depends on how the state compensates the schools. If generously and at full (and annually increasing) cost, it will work fine, and a range of types of students will reap the benefits. But if the state ever makes cutbacks or stints, it will force the schools to turn to more out-of-state and foreign students paying full or enhanced tuition prices. And that means fewer spots for the average in-state student. This is already happening at many private and public universities, and the only way to reverse the trend is the influx of more money. The state will have to play that role. Will it always be able to do so?

2. The amount of state money flowing into these institutions will also directly affect the schools' abilities to maintain top-notch research facilities and to hire the best full-time permanent, tenure-track faculty. Again, if budget cutbacks become necessary during downtimes (and higher education is usually the first to lose), we'll see more use of poorly-paid, rotational adjuncts and fewer full professors. The quality of education could be affected.

I withhold any judgment for now, because it seems the really right move. But I do wonder why some of the potential downsides are never discussed. We always admire the European countries that offer free tuition, but we never discuss the number of students who are able to avail themselves of higher education there, or the quality of the general systems, as compared to the US.




•We have had free tuition at city colleges here in Chicago for quite a few years, for anyone in CPS maintaining a B-average in high school and a clean record, with no income limitations to my knowledge—and since most students at the city colleges are minorities (a natural outcome, as the city's public school student body is 90% minority), it is a real boon to those communities, and an incentive to do well and tread the straight and narrow for otherwise challenged kids.

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