Man Drops Gun in Dallas Wal-Mart; 3 Hurt
Source: http://weareaustin.com
A man and three bystanders have been slightly hurt when his gun accidentally fired at a Walmart store in Dallas.
According to police, a man was reaching into his pocket to get to his wallet when the gun he was carrying in his pants holster dropped to the ground and went off accidentally.
Police say the suspect has a license to carry a concealed weapon.
Read more: http://weareaustin.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_2993.shtml?wap=0
Apparently, a semi automatic hand gun.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Most handguns are kinda meant to survive being dropped without going off, unless he's one of those dolts who dislikes safeties and reduced the trigger pull or something. Ugh.
Nice of him to try to flee the scene (and later the cops) as well, so he's probably at least four hundred percent dumbass.
(Also, for all practical purposes any handgun that isn't a revolver is semiautomatic.)
rgbecker
(4,832 posts)If the defininition of a semi automatic is the ability to fire as rapidly as pulling the trigger, how is a revolver not a semi automatic?
And, does a revolver by definition, have to have a revolving cylinder of bullets to be called a revolver or has the term revolver become generic meaning any hand gun?
For example, is a Lugar of WWII vintage, a revolver...I don't think so and I'm not sure it would be called a pistol. What the hell is it?
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)The, well, revolving cylinder's fundamental to them, as opposed to a typical pistol where the barrel and firing chamber are basically one unit.
To oversimplify it a bit since there's different ways of going about it, with a semiautomatic firearm the mechanics of the firing process are what puts the next round in the chamber, itself ready to fire, without any human interaction aside from the previous trigger pull. Usually they use expanding gasses from the round being fired to push the mechanisms that reload the chamber, or the physical recoil of the weapon does the same thing, but there's different ways of going about it and I'm far from an expert in the details.
The Luger you're talking about would be a semiautomatic pistol (unless it's one of those bonkers machine-pistol versions which are rare to say the very least). The overwhelming majority of handguns out there are as well.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)AllyCat
(16,192 posts)that will happen someday. Hope he gets his butt sued and loses.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)AllyCat
(16,192 posts)He can be charged I imagine under fleeing the scene like you said. Hope one of us is right
LisaL
(44,973 posts)lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)maybe that will teach him to be more careful... or not pack heat in his pocket.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And certainly civil liability for negligence. Could ruin the guy.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)they could have shot the pistol while it was falling to the floor causing the barrel to point away from innocent bystanders.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)What a DUzy.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)livvy
(6,948 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,460 posts)DocMac
(1,628 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)We are not worthy, tk2kewl.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Was it not said 'As ye do for the least of these, have ye not done it for me?'
Good job the police found a reason to take the idiot into custody....
"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)This Guy can't reach for his wallet without dropping his weapon ??
tawadi
(2,110 posts)DocMac
(1,628 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)DocMac
(1,628 posts)Laurian
(2,593 posts)Maybe an IQ test should be included in the permit process.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)And that was really just the first punchline to come to mind. I think we could start an entire thread of responses.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)I guess if you have to explain it....
Never mind. I won't quit my day job.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Subtly is difficult on the web.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)and where ever they desire.
ability, intelligence, common sense are not a requirement.
we should just be happy that the bullet didn't hit an innocent bystander who should have been armed and ready to defend themselves. In the split second required to react, the man dropping the gun could have been shot in self-defence (walk away scott free in many states as a stand your ground defense). What could be scarier than somebody shooting at you? Also, how can you be sure he did this accidently, perhaps he was trick shooting. A lot to consider in a split second, so screw it, perhaps its better to shoot first to be on the safe side.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)I hope he gets his ass sued off.
NickB79
(19,253 posts)It fired one round. A 50-yr old revolver could have done the same if it hit the ground in the right position.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)it says two of the people were apparently hurt from flying debris.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Just that the round hit something and sent bits flying. It could be a semiauto, a revolver, a rifle, or an arquebus and the same thing could have happened in that case.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The priming powder would spill out . You might chip your flint, but it wouldn't go off.
...Just sayin'
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Yeah that's it, it was a slingshot.
NickB79
(19,253 posts)Or, they were hit by shards of flying tile from the floor where the bullet hit.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Idiot.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Texas
Wal-Mart
Semiautomatic
Handgun
License to carry concealed weapon
Multiple victims
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)tawadi
(2,110 posts)Its turning out exactly as expected.
petronius
(26,602 posts)(Although, when I think about it, I'm not sure that torturing a pit bull doesn't cancel out in DU math...)
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Modern firearms shouldn't fire by being dropped.
Bucky
(54,027 posts)Thanks. "Shouldn't" should make everyone shot feel better about the incident.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)After all, they are responsible gun owners.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)back at him. This is the problem with open carry laws and even licensed carry laws. Can you imagine what would have happened had someone carrying a gun panicked and shot this guy too? Self-defense?
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)What you describe is not a reasonable response to the situation.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)when one of these assholes screws up like this-- at least take the guns and the license away and put him through military or police training, complete with rigorous testing, before letting him close to a gun again.
Or never let him get close to a gun again.
(Maybe that training isn't a bad idea for anyone with a carry license)
Trunk Monkey
(950 posts)this guy will never legally own or carry a firearm again.
Bucky
(54,027 posts)And, as a follow up, will your guarantees cover everyone's hospital bill?
Trunk Monkey
(950 posts)or a violence related misdemeanor.
Presto, instant prohibited person.
At the very least I bet they pull his permit.
Do you somehow think he won't be held accountable for that?
Bucky
(54,027 posts)Now that you've tailored your assertions appropriately, we have no argument.
Trunk Monkey
(950 posts)I never said "I guarantee" I said "I can almost guarantee you" So, I guess we never had an arguement
Bolded text edited, quotation added
Bucky
(54,027 posts)Hey, the second amendment is a right, not a privilege. He should be able to pack heat tomorrow. After all, isn't the shame of shooting a few innocent bystanders punishment enough?
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)dballance
(5,756 posts)I suspect that if he has a valid CCW license he must have altered the gun in some manner that is not legal. Why else would he need to fell the scene?
I'm open to being corrected and educated on this point.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)and getting themselves shot accidentally and all... I mean, that guy's RIGHT to carry his gun absolutely everywhere and jeopardize everyone around him trumps THEIR lives dammit! Doesn't everyone see that?!11!!!
msongs
(67,420 posts)Bucky
(54,027 posts)If everyone in that store had had a gun, they couldn't shot back and defended themselves.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Any gun owner who wants to carry in public should be required to be insured.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)Always wanted to say that, well at least appropriately.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)even if he got away the gun would have been traced to him, and he's on about 20 wal-mart cameras...
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)crimes, they are the most responsible of the responsible. He must have been looking for a phone to call the police and an ambulance.
hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)We just seem to have more than our fair share sometimes!
First, I'm genuinely sorry that anyone was hurt. This is incredible almost. If the guy is some proud of his CHL, why in the heck did he leave the store without waiting for the police to arrive?
OverBurn
(951 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... Maybe cause they're too busy getting 'getting head out of ass' course prerequisite done?
Interesting when I lived there 3 years. I was always blown away with signs going into a place of business, "check your gun at door". Made banking a great experience, um-hmmm...
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)There are too many jokes within this story, but a status of Sacred Cow seems to take all the humor out of so many people...
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)This time.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)craigmatic
(4,510 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)meh, hope the guy is sued penniless.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Even if they are racked and ready. They have to pass Federal and State tests.
I am curious what kind of gun it was.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)Gun owners have such total faith in the quality control of their weapons, that they cannot imagine
the possibility of a manufacturing defect.
While everything else we buy falls apart as soon as the warrantee runs out,
all guns are perfect.
Extended magazines and clips, not so much.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)except in movies.
It appears it didn't happen here, either.
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)Officer shot when gun accidentally discharges in South Shore nail salon
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-06/news/chi-officer-shot-when-gun-accidentally-discharges-20120406_1_officer-shot-police-officer-salon
HPD: Woman shot in rear after man accidentally drops gun inside restaurant
The Derringer fell out of the coat pocket of a 66-year-old man at about 8:30 p.m. inside Raffas Waterfront Grill on West Lake Houston Parkway, police said.
http://www.khou.com/news/HPD-Woman-shot-after-gun-discharges-inside-Houston-restaurant--113543634.html
Brother accidentally shoots sister after dropping gun
Around 5:30 p.m., the brother and sister were reportedly returning home at Kinsbury and Wayland and the man was carrying a semi-automatic handgun in a holster to take into the house.
He told police that the gun slipped, fell onto the concrete front porch and accidentally went off. A bullet struck Rochelle Jackson in the head. She died at the scene.
http://www.khou.com/news/Brother-shoots-sister-after-allegedly-dropping-gun-on-accident-159351445.html
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Gun in purse: Fired because something in the purse moved into the trigger guard and pulled the trigger. No dropping is necessary.
Derringer: not a modern gun, not drop safe.
Jackson: not enough info to know what happened. Highly unlikely that the events happened as written by the reporter.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)And, reports in other threads state the guy grabbed at the gun and jerked the trigger. he is an idiot.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)and stick your fingers into the trigger guard by mistake thus pulling the trigger.
still_one
(92,223 posts)tawadi
(2,110 posts)Wondered that too.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
That would be evil!
tanyev
(42,571 posts)MrsBrady
(4,187 posts)and here's a local story with better info
http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Gunfire-inside-Dallas-Walmart-163497826.html
tawadi
(2,110 posts)On edit, I could self delete this if you want. Just say the word.
billky
(159 posts)And I guess he had a license to drop his stupid gun and shoot people...
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Brilliant preemptive strike by a true hero.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)yes INDEED
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Double action is the only safe semi automatic for CWP ...only other would be one with a safety or use a revolver.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's good enough for the military...
valerief
(53,235 posts)able to identify a bunch right here and block them. I was getting tired of trashing gun-concern threads.
Not sure if I should self-delete it or just let it go.
sakabatou
(42,158 posts)If there is, why wasn't it locked?
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)sakabatou
(42,158 posts)AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)There seem to be a lot of guns these days that don't.
sakabatou
(42,158 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)yup
DisgustedTX
(1,199 posts)A likely Rove indictor.